"Larry Varney" <
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
> > As stated above, I read for the overall sense of what is
> > being said. You should try it sometime yourself. As far
> > as I am concerned, you leave way
too
> > many statements just hanging unconnected to anything. So
> > I have to make
the
> > connections for you. And you never come to a conclusion
> > about anything. Consequently, many of your posts strike
> > me as being pointless. But I am
very
> > good at completing other's thoughts and coming to
> > conclusions. It is
what I
> > do best in life. If you do not want others doing it for
> > you, then do it yourself.
> >
> > Is Bigha good value or isn't it? That is the question
> > that Lorenzo and I would like you to answer.
> >
>
> ROTFL! You may "read for the overall sense", and yet
> you come to completely incorrect conclusions. You claim
> I am saying something that is not to be found, not in
> the slightest, in anything I've written. You connect
> what I have written with things that are only in your
> mind, and then blame ME for the result. My points are
> always clear, and I state them, over and over again, in
> the hopes that perhaps someday someone can help you
> understand. You do not need to complete my thoughts on
> this issue, Dolan, nor do you need to come to any other
> conclusions than this: there are many criteria involved
> in buying things, including bikes. Some criteria are
> weighted more, some less, depending solely on the
> individual. Do you understand, Dolan? Do I need to use
> different words? Perhaps put it all in some sort of
> outline?
But you do not know how to weigh anything. You think perhaps
that the quality of the components is the equal of the
overall weight of the bike or of the price. That is why I
regard you as an idiot. Also, criteria never depend solely
on the individual. There are always universal criteria and
if the individual does not recognize those universal
criteria, well then the individual is an idiot - which you
prove every time you post.
> Maybe if you thought about what I've said, and tried to
> see if you agreed with me or not, that might help. So
> let's hear it: do you agree, or disagree, that there
> are many criteria involved in buying things, and that
> different people weigh those criteria differently? Yes
> or no, Dolan. Or do you need me to make it even
> simpler?
I disagree with what you have said above. You have made it
way too subjective. There are always objective criteria
which have nothing to do with what any individuals might
think because individuals can think wrongly due to ignorance
or just plain lack of knowledge. I believe that is what
Lorenzo is saying is that Bigha will not market to recumbent
shops and to sophisticated recumbent buyers. Instead they
are catering to ignoramuses - and you are supporting this
fiasco by defending Bigha the way you do. But you are not
fooling me or anyone else here who knows anything about
recumbents. We know that a recumbent is mainly a frame and
wheels and that weight and price are important and
everything else is Mickey Mouse no matter what some
"individuals" might think is important.
> As for what you and Love want - which, apparently, is
> for me to decide for you the value of the BiGHA bike -
> why ask me? Am I the sole arbiter of worth? Do you
> trust, or need, me to decide whether or not a
> particular bike is a good value? If I say yes, will you
> go out and buy one? If I say no, will you not buy one?
But are you not a reviewer for Bike Rider Online? It is your
duty to advise the less knowledgeable if a bike is a good
buy or not. If you do not doing this very elementary thing,
then you are failing in your duty as a reviewer. If I were
Ball, I would fire you for dereliction of duty.
> You and Love should be able to figure it all by now,
> Dolan. It's not a difficult conclusion to come to. But,
> just in case you really do need for me to tell you what
> to think and what to conclude, here it is: The value of
> anything, including the BiGHA, is determined by each
> individual. Each individual should be able to come to a
> decision as to whether or not it's worth the asking
> price. This goes for bikes, trikes, horses, cars,
> hamburgers, you name it.
No, we have fundamental disagreement here. There are always
universal criteria for determining the value for price for
any product. I spent many hours as a youth reading
Consumer's Reports and Consumer's Digest reviews of various
products. It is not up to the individual to decide these
things. It is up to honest reviewers who are expert to give
the rest of us a clue as to what is good value and what is
not good value.What does the average consumer know about
anything when you get right down to it?
> Now, if you truly do need me or anyone else to tell you
> which is a
>good value in any or all of these items, then you really do
> have my pity.
I would like you to tell me what is good value because you
have had an opportunity to test ride various recumbents
which I can never do. I rely on a reviewer for information
of all kinds. This is why I have been reading RCN all these
many years and why I don't bother with Bike Rider Online
which I understand you are affiliated with. Why should I
read your reviews if you are not going tell me what is a
good buy and what is not a good buy.
If you have test ridden the Bigha, now is the time to tell
us if it is a good buy or not. Once you have told us that,
we will know what to think of you as a reviewer.
--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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