Has anyone tried the Bigha?

[Larry Varney]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>No, I don't think anything about MENSA at all and I know next to nothing
>>>about them. All I know and need to know is that I am a genius. You need
>
> to
>
>>>learn to live with this ultimate fact of life about me.
>>>
>>
>> Wait a minute - didn't you say that "MENSA is for those who are not
>>sure of their intelligence"? And now you say that you "know next to
>>nothing about them"? And with that glorious example of double-speak
>>still hanging in the air, you claim that you "know" that you are a
>>"genius"? Based on what?
>
>
> No Varney, I have HEARD of them, but I know next to nothing about them. Nor
> do I want to know anything about them. Therein lies my genius. I know what
> is worth while thinking about, and you do not have a clue. Varney = little
> thoughts. Dolan = big thoughts. Got it?
>
>

I've met people like you before, and I've always been mystified by
not only the acceptance of ignorance, but the seeming enjoyment of it.
You know next to nothing about Mensa, and you don't want to know
anything about it. And you refer to that as "genius"? More aptly, it
reminds me of the joke about what's the difference between ignorance and
apathy: I don't know and I don't care.


>
> I believe I have criticized you in the past for editing too severely. Now
> you are not editing enough. Try to get it right will you?


--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

 

[Larry Varney]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>>"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>
>>>> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because people
>>>>know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On the flip side,
>>>>this explains why others have such low regard for you and your opinions
>>>>- you seem to take pride in your lack of knowledge.
>>>
>>>
>>>Trust me on this Varney - others on this newsgroup do NOT have a low
>
> regard
>
>>>for Mr. Lorenzo T. Love, quite the contrary. He is a bull dog with his
>>>arguments and we could all learn something by following his reasoning
>
> and
>
>>>logic. I will admit I get easily side tracked and before you know it I
>
> can
>
>>>be off on another subject without half trying. But not Lorenzo. He stays
>
> on
>
>>>track and meets the crux of an objection. I find this very admirable and
>
> I
>
>>>wish I could do it.
>>>
>>>I do agree 100 % with Lorenzo in what he has to say about the Bigha and
>
> his
>
>>>reasons for saying it. But you have made your points rather well too. I
>>>would score it a draw myself.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I agree - we can "all learn something by following his reasoning
>>and logic". As in, faulty reasoning and illogic, topped off with a swirl
>>of intolerance and a few scoops of ignorance.
>> Low regard? Yes. And people avoid him like they would a loud,
>>obnoxious drunk on the street corner, waving a whiskey bottle, shouting
>>at unseen enemies, with vomit and spittle flying from his mouth.
>
>
> You have just described yourself! For God's sake - look in the mirror and
> get an idea of how you must appear to others. You are a crazy old fool for
> sure and you do not have a brain in your head because you cannot make
> discriminations about what is important and what is not important. Not about
> yourself and certainly not about anyone else.
>
> Time to retire, Varney, and go into seclusion before someone has you
> committed. Again, keep thinking along these lines - I am a crazy old fool!
> You look it and you act it. And now we all know it. So what is the point of
> you carrying on so?
>

I keep reminding myself that you speak the way you do, because of
your "genius" of ignorance. The fact is, Dolan, I do make
discriminations about what is important and what is not. What I don't
do, though, is make those discriminations out of ignorance, nor do I
take those same ignorant conclusions and act as if they're applicable to
everyone.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

 

[Larry Varney]

Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
> Larry Varney wrote:
>

>> Lorenzo, I'll try this one more time: I don't criticize that which I
>> do have not first-hand experience with. Ignorance is a curable
>> disease, but it is not something to be proud of.
>> And Lorenzo, can you understand this? BiGHA advertises on the
>> magazine. They do not pay me, they do not sponsor me, and I owe them
>> nothing. Got that? What I do owe, though, is my honest opinion to
>> those who read my reviews. And, if and when I ever ride a BiGHA, I'll
>> give my opinion on it.
>> What good is an opinion given that is based on ignorance? How would
>> it affect my credibility, or that of the magazine, if I were to talk
>> about the "value" and merits, the pros and cons, of something that I
>> have not even ridden?
>> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because people
>> know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On the flip
>> side, this explains why others have such low regard for you and your
>> opinions - you seem to take pride in your lack of knowledge.
>> Perhaps if you actually read the magazine and my reviews, you would
>> see that I have criticized the products of some of our sponsors.
>> Nothing I have reviewed has been perfect, though several have been
>> quite good. But perfect? No. And, I have reported those things which
>> appeared to be shortcomings (in my opinion) in the magazine.
>> Try knowledge and experience sometime, Lorenzo, instead of
>> ignorance. Maybe then people will stop tuning you out.
>>
>>
>
> Is there no limit to your prevarication about your financial
> relationship with Bigha?

I have not lied about the financial relationship of BiGHA with the
magazine. Your original claim was that BiGHA sponsored me. That is
silly, stupid, and moronic. They don't.

>You have as good as
> admitted that the Bigha is overpriced, so why would you keep on
> protesting over and over again when other people make that same simple
> observation, if not for the fact that you derive income, however
> indirectly, from Bigha?
>
I have not "good as admitted" anything, and I have not "protested"
when other people make that observation. Learn to read, Lorenzo. And
learn to accept the fact that neither you nor Dolan are God, and neither
you nor Dolan have the power to decide what is important for everyone,
to the exclusion of what those other people might decide for themselves.
If you two keep it up, someone in a white suit is going to take you off
to the happy place for some period of observation...

>This is probably a fine bike for
> relatively slow recreational rides or fairly short commuting, but why
> would anyone what to pay twice as much as they needed to for this type
> of bike? The constant protesting against this obvious observation is not
> based on rationality but on other motives closer to the wallet.
>
Why would anyone pay the amount it costs for the BiGHA? I don't know.
Why would anyone pay the amount that it costs for a V-REX, for a Baron,
for many other bikes and trikes? We can only be safe in trying to
explain why WE would buy (or not) some particular item.
The "constant protesting against this obvious observation" is coming
from some deep, hollow recesses of your mind, Love - definitely not from
me. I just haven't joined your cheerleading jihad against this bike,
simply because I haven't ridden it, so I don't feel that my observations
would be all that valid. See, unlike you and Dolan, I don't treat
ignorance as "genius", and I try to learn about something before I form
an opinion about it.
The motives for this are based on reason and common sense, not the
wallet, and defintely not anywhere close to where you pull your ideas from.




--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

 

[Lorenzo L. Love]

Larry Varney wrote:
> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>
>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>
>
>>> Lorenzo, I'll try this one more time: I don't criticize that which
>>> I do have not first-hand experience with. Ignorance is a curable
>>> disease, but it is not something to be proud of.
>>> And Lorenzo, can you understand this? BiGHA advertises on the
>>> magazine. They do not pay me, they do not sponsor me, and I owe them
>>> nothing. Got that? What I do owe, though, is my honest opinion to
>>> those who read my reviews. And, if and when I ever ride a BiGHA, I'll
>>> give my opinion on it.
>>> What good is an opinion given that is based on ignorance? How would
>>> it affect my credibility, or that of the magazine, if I were to talk
>>> about the "value" and merits, the pros and cons, of something that I
>>> have not even ridden?
>>> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because people
>>> know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On the flip
>>> side, this explains why others have such low regard for you and your
>>> opinions - you seem to take pride in your lack of knowledge.
>>> Perhaps if you actually read the magazine and my reviews, you would
>>> see that I have criticized the products of some of our sponsors.
>>> Nothing I have reviewed has been perfect, though several have been
>>> quite good. But perfect? No. And, I have reported those things which
>>> appeared to be shortcomings (in my opinion) in the magazine.
>>> Try knowledge and experience sometime, Lorenzo, instead of
>>> ignorance. Maybe then people will stop tuning you out.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is there no limit to your prevarication about your financial
>> relationship with Bigha?
>
>
> I have not lied about the financial relationship of BiGHA with the
> magazine. Your original claim was that BiGHA sponsored me. That is
> silly, stupid, and moronic. They don't.
>
>> You have as good as admitted that the Bigha is overpriced, so why
>> would you keep on protesting over and over again when other people
>> make that same simple observation, if not for the fact that you derive
>> income, however indirectly, from Bigha?
>>
> I have not "good as admitted" anything, and I have not "protested"
> when other people make that observation. Learn to read, Lorenzo. And
> learn to accept the fact that neither you nor Dolan are God, and neither
> you nor Dolan have the power to decide what is important for everyone,
> to the exclusion of what those other people might decide for themselves.
> If you two keep it up, someone in a white suit is going to take you off
> to the happy place for some period of observation...
>
> >This is probably a fine bike for
>
>> relatively slow recreational rides or fairly short commuting, but why
>> would anyone what to pay twice as much as they needed to for this type
>> of bike? The constant protesting against this obvious observation is
>> not based on rationality but on other motives closer to the wallet.
>>
> Why would anyone pay the amount it costs for the BiGHA? I don't know.
> Why would anyone pay the amount that it costs for a V-REX, for a Baron,
> for many other bikes and trikes? We can only be safe in trying to
> explain why WE would buy (or not) some particular item.
> The "constant protesting against this obvious observation" is coming
> from some deep, hollow recesses of your mind, Love - definitely not from
> me. I just haven't joined your cheerleading jihad against this bike,
> simply because I haven't ridden it, so I don't feel that my observations
> would be all that valid. See, unlike you and Dolan, I don't treat
> ignorance as "genius", and I try to learn about something before I form
> an opinion about it.
> The motives for this are based on reason and common sense, not the
> wallet, and defintely not anywhere close to where you pull your ideas from.
>

Still viciously attacking anyone who makes the simple criticism of the
Bigha that it costs far too much. Why does he go through so time and
effort to make such a fool of himself? Because he knows where his money
comes from. The sponsors of his magazine.

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

Thirst makes any wine drinkable
And greed makes any crime thinkable.

 

[Larry Varney]

Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
> Larry Varney wrote:
>
>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>
>>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> Lorenzo, I'll try this one more time: I don't criticize that which
>>>> I do have not first-hand experience with. Ignorance is a curable
>>>> disease, but it is not something to be proud of.
>>>> And Lorenzo, can you understand this? BiGHA advertises on the
>>>> magazine. They do not pay me, they do not sponsor me, and I owe them
>>>> nothing. Got that? What I do owe, though, is my honest opinion to
>>>> those who read my reviews. And, if and when I ever ride a BiGHA,
>>>> I'll give my opinion on it.
>>>> What good is an opinion given that is based on ignorance? How
>>>> would it affect my credibility, or that of the magazine, if I were
>>>> to talk about the "value" and merits, the pros and cons, of
>>>> something that I have not even ridden?
>>>> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because
>>>> people know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On the
>>>> flip side, this explains why others have such low regard for you and
>>>> your opinions - you seem to take pride in your lack of knowledge.
>>>> Perhaps if you actually read the magazine and my reviews, you
>>>> would see that I have criticized the products of some of our
>>>> sponsors. Nothing I have reviewed has been perfect, though several
>>>> have been quite good. But perfect? No. And, I have reported those
>>>> things which appeared to be shortcomings (in my opinion) in the
>>>> magazine.
>>>> Try knowledge and experience sometime, Lorenzo, instead of
>>>> ignorance. Maybe then people will stop tuning you out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is there no limit to your prevarication about your financial
>>> relationship with Bigha?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not lied about the financial relationship of BiGHA with the
>> magazine. Your original claim was that BiGHA sponsored me. That is
>> silly, stupid, and moronic. They don't.
>>
>>> You have as good as admitted that the Bigha is overpriced, so why
>>> would you keep on protesting over and over again when other people
>>> make that same simple observation, if not for the fact that you
>>> derive income, however indirectly, from Bigha?
>>>
>> I have not "good as admitted" anything, and I have not "protested"
>> when other people make that observation. Learn to read, Lorenzo. And
>> learn to accept the fact that neither you nor Dolan are God, and
>> neither you nor Dolan have the power to decide what is important for
>> everyone, to the exclusion of what those other people might decide for
>> themselves. If you two keep it up, someone in a white suit is going to
>> take you off to the happy place for some period of observation...
>>
>> >This is probably a fine bike for
>>
>>> relatively slow recreational rides or fairly short commuting, but why
>>> would anyone what to pay twice as much as they needed to for this
>>> type of bike? The constant protesting against this obvious
>>> observation is not based on rationality but on other motives closer
>>> to the wallet.
>>>
>> Why would anyone pay the amount it costs for the BiGHA? I don't
>> know. Why would anyone pay the amount that it costs for a V-REX, for a
>> Baron, for many other bikes and trikes? We can only be safe in trying
>> to explain why WE would buy (or not) some particular item.
>> The "constant protesting against this obvious observation" is coming
>> from some deep, hollow recesses of your mind, Love - definitely not
>> from me. I just haven't joined your cheerleading jihad against this
>> bike, simply because I haven't ridden it, so I don't feel that my
>> observations would be all that valid. See, unlike you and Dolan, I
>> don't treat ignorance as "genius", and I try to learn about something
>> before I form an opinion about it.
>> The motives for this are based on reason and common sense, not the
>> wallet, and defintely not anywhere close to where you pull your ideas
>> from.
>>
>
> Still viciously attacking anyone who makes the simple criticism of the
> Bigha that it costs far too much. Why does he go through so time and
> effort to make such a fool of himself? Because he knows where his money
> comes from. The sponsors of his magazine.
>
> Lorenzo L. Love
> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>

ROTFL! Lorenzo, you're definitely one of the funnier people posting.
You really should put in some emoticons, though, for those who haven't
been following along and might mistakenly think you're serious. Those
who have been reading the posts, of course, know that I have done none
of the things you accuse me of. And, they can't possibly believe that
you're serious.
And do you really think my money comes from the sponsors of the
magazine? Hardly. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read your
latest bon mot - spew city! (And read this to yourself several times, so
it will sink in: it's not my magazine.)
But keep up the good work, Love. When it's a dreary day outside, it's
great to be able to count on a hearty laugh from your posts.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
[...]
> I keep reminding myself that you speak the way you do, because of
> your "genius" of ignorance. The fact is, Dolan, I do make
> discriminations about what is important and what is not. What I don't
> do, though, is make those discriminations out of ignorance, nor do I
> take those same ignorant conclusions and act as if they're applicable to
> everyone.

Me thinks thou dost protest too much!

Teh fact is you were born ignorna t and yo wil remian ignorat all your life
becaweu yo have a low IQ. Folks with low IQs lie you are only caplable of so
much "thought".
>
> --
> Larry Varney
> Cold Spring, KY
> http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney
>
>

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
[...]
> I keep reminding myself that you speak the way you do, because of
> your "genius" of ignorance. The fact is, Dolan, I do make
> discriminations about what is important and what is not. What I don't
> do, though, is make those discriminations out of ignorance, nor do I
> take those same ignorant conclusions and act as if they're applicable to
> everyone.

Me thinks thou dost protest too much!

The fact is that you were born ignorant and you will die ignorant. You
obviously have a low IQ and there is only so much that folks with low IQs
are capable of.

With respect to the Bigha you cannot make the simple discrimination that
price and weight are of the essence when it comes to a bicycle. These are
the most important considerations and everything else is much less
important. I suppose if you are a millionaire, then price is not important.
However, weight will always matter. A lighter bike is just more enjoyable to
ride whether you are into going fast or just cruising about town.

A light bike invariably equates with a high price and a heavy bike
invariably equates with a low price. But Bigha has got the formula reversed.
They are offering a heavy bike at a high price. Go figure!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > > "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> [...]
> > I keep reminding myself that you speak the way you do, because of
> > your "genius" of ignorance. The fact is, Dolan, I do make
> > discriminations about what is important and what is not. What I don't
> > do, though, is make those discriminations out of ignorance, nor do I
> > take those same ignorant conclusions and act as if they're applicable to
> > everyone.
>
> Me thinks thou dost protest too much!
>
> Teh fact is you were born ignorna t and yo wil remian ignorat all your
life
> becaweu yo have a low IQ. Folks with low IQs lie you are only caplable of
so
> much "thought".

The above was sent by mistake of course. I can spell but I can't type worth
a darn. And I most especially can't type worth a darn what I am as mad as a
hornet - which is usually the case when I am responding to Varney. I spend
more time correcting all my typos than I do composing my message. The
biggest mistake of my life was not taking some typing classes when I had the
opportunity in high school.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
[...]
> > Still viciously attacking anyone who makes the simple criticism of the
> > Bigha that it costs far too much. Why does he go through so time and
> > effort to make such a fool of himself? Because he knows where his money
> > comes from. The sponsors of his magazine.
> >
> > Lorenzo L. Love
> > http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
> >
>
> ROTFL! Lorenzo, you're definitely one of the funnier people posting.
> You really should put in some emoticons, though, for those who haven't
> been following along and might mistakenly think you're serious. Those
> who have been reading the posts, of course, know that I have done none
> of the things you accuse me of. And, they can't possibly believe that
> you're serious.
> And do you really think my money comes from the sponsors of the
> magazine? Hardly. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read your
> latest bon mot - spew city! (And read this to yourself several times, so
> it will sink in: it's not my magazine.)
> But keep up the good work, Love. When it's a dreary day outside, it's
> great to be able to count on a hearty laugh from your posts.

> "And do you really think my money comes from the sponsors of the
> magazine? "

I believe Lorenzo has already made the point many times by now that you are
being paid (wages or salary or whatever) for your contributions to the
magazine. True or false? If true, then those advertisers, of which Bigha is
one, are indirectly paying you via the publisher (Mr. Ball) who I believe is
also the owner of the magazine.

Skimming over this issue like you do will not get you off Mr. Love's hook.
He has caught you and you are now floundering about gasping for air. Why not
just admit that you cannot be too critical of any bike you review for the
magazine that you work for or you would be let go in a trice.

This small recumbent world of ours can only afford a single Bob Bryant,
editor and publisher of RCN. He is often critical of the bikes he reviews
and his magazine has suffered for it. But the rest of us, his customers and
ultimate bike users, have been the beneficiaries of his honesty. Can as much
be said about you?

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:

> ...
> Skimming over this issue like you do will not get you off Mr. Love's hook.
> He has caught you and you are now floundering about gasping for air. Why not
> just admit that you cannot be too critical of any bike you review for the
> magazine that you work for or you would be let go in a trice....

Upon examining this price list [1], one comes to the conclusion that Mr.
Varney would be quite well compensated for his trouble if he were let go
in a Trice.

[1] < http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/buyers_guide_price_summary.htm >.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

 

[Lorenzo L. Love]

Larry Varney wrote:
> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>
>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>
>>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>>
>>>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Lorenzo, I'll try this one more time: I don't criticize that
>>>>> which I do have not first-hand experience with. Ignorance is a
>>>>> curable disease, but it is not something to be proud of.
>>>>> And Lorenzo, can you understand this? BiGHA advertises on the
>>>>> magazine. They do not pay me, they do not sponsor me, and I owe
>>>>> them nothing. Got that? What I do owe, though, is my honest opinion
>>>>> to those who read my reviews. And, if and when I ever ride a BiGHA,
>>>>> I'll give my opinion on it.
>>>>> What good is an opinion given that is based on ignorance? How
>>>>> would it affect my credibility, or that of the magazine, if I were
>>>>> to talk about the "value" and merits, the pros and cons, of
>>>>> something that I have not even ridden?
>>>>> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because
>>>>> people know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On
>>>>> the flip side, this explains why others have such low regard for
>>>>> you and your opinions - you seem to take pride in your lack of
>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>> Perhaps if you actually read the magazine and my reviews, you
>>>>> would see that I have criticized the products of some of our
>>>>> sponsors. Nothing I have reviewed has been perfect, though several
>>>>> have been quite good. But perfect? No. And, I have reported those
>>>>> things which appeared to be shortcomings (in my opinion) in the
>>>>> magazine.
>>>>> Try knowledge and experience sometime, Lorenzo, instead of
>>>>> ignorance. Maybe then people will stop tuning you out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there no limit to your prevarication about your financial
>>>> relationship with Bigha?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not lied about the financial relationship of BiGHA with the
>>> magazine. Your original claim was that BiGHA sponsored me. That is
>>> silly, stupid, and moronic. They don't.
>>>
>>>> You have as good as admitted that the Bigha is overpriced, so why
>>>> would you keep on protesting over and over again when other people
>>>> make that same simple observation, if not for the fact that you
>>>> derive income, however indirectly, from Bigha?
>>>>
>>> I have not "good as admitted" anything, and I have not "protested"
>>> when other people make that observation. Learn to read, Lorenzo. And
>>> learn to accept the fact that neither you nor Dolan are God, and
>>> neither you nor Dolan have the power to decide what is important for
>>> everyone, to the exclusion of what those other people might decide
>>> for themselves. If you two keep it up, someone in a white suit is
>>> going to take you off to the happy place for some period of
>>> observation...
>>>
>>> >This is probably a fine bike for
>>>
>>>> relatively slow recreational rides or fairly short commuting, but
>>>> why would anyone what to pay twice as much as they needed to for
>>>> this type of bike? The constant protesting against this obvious
>>>> observation is not based on rationality but on other motives closer
>>>> to the wallet.
>>>>
>>> Why would anyone pay the amount it costs for the BiGHA? I don't
>>> know. Why would anyone pay the amount that it costs for a V-REX, for
>>> a Baron, for many other bikes and trikes? We can only be safe in
>>> trying to explain why WE would buy (or not) some particular item.
>>> The "constant protesting against this obvious observation" is
>>> coming from some deep, hollow recesses of your mind, Love -
>>> definitely not from me. I just haven't joined your cheerleading jihad
>>> against this bike, simply because I haven't ridden it, so I don't
>>> feel that my observations would be all that valid. See, unlike you
>>> and Dolan, I don't treat ignorance as "genius", and I try to learn
>>> about something before I form an opinion about it.
>>> The motives for this are based on reason and common sense, not the
>>> wallet, and defintely not anywhere close to where you pull your ideas
>>> from.
>>>
>>
>> Still viciously attacking anyone who makes the simple criticism of the
>> Bigha that it costs far too much. Why does he go through so time and
>> effort to make such a fool of himself? Because he knows where his
>> money comes from. The sponsors of his magazine.
>>
>> Lorenzo L. Love
>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>
>
> ROTFL! Lorenzo, you're definitely one of the funnier people posting.
> You really should put in some emoticons, though, for those who haven't
> been following along and might mistakenly think you're serious. Those
> who have been reading the posts, of course, know that I have done none
> of the things you accuse me of. And, they can't possibly believe that
> you're serious.
> And do you really think my money comes from the sponsors of the
> magazine? Hardly. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read your
> latest bon mot - spew city! (And read this to yourself several times, so
> it will sink in: it's not my magazine.)
> But keep up the good work, Love. When it's a dreary day outside, it's
> great to be able to count on a hearty laugh from your posts.
>

You know, I know and everyone who has ever seen the home page of
bentrideronline knows that you are quite simply lying. Bigha is a paid
sponsor of bentrideronline and you are an editor of bentrideronline. If
your money does not come from your sponsors, where does it come from?
Does the money Bigha and the other sponsors pays bentrideronline
mysteriously disappear and your income paid by bentrideronline somehow
mysteriously reappears? Could you draw a income from bentrideronline if
all the sponsors stopped paying? Your lying about this has destroyed
what little credibility you had and is quickly destroying any
credibility bentrideronline had.

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"If you do not tell the truth about yourself you cannot tell it about
other people."
Virginia Woolf (1882-1941).

 

[Larry Varney]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>Still viciously attacking anyone who makes the simple criticism of the
>>>Bigha that it costs far too much. Why does he go through so time and
>>>effort to make such a fool of himself? Because he knows where his money
>>>comes from. The sponsors of his magazine.
>>>
>>>Lorenzo L. Love
>>>http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>>
>>
>> ROTFL! Lorenzo, you're definitely one of the funnier people posting.
>>You really should put in some emoticons, though, for those who haven't
>>been following along and might mistakenly think you're serious. Those
>>who have been reading the posts, of course, know that I have done none
>>of the things you accuse me of. And, they can't possibly believe that
>>you're serious.
>> And do you really think my money comes from the sponsors of the
>>magazine? Hardly. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read your
>>latest bon mot - spew city! (And read this to yourself several times, so
>>it will sink in: it's not my magazine.)
>> But keep up the good work, Love. When it's a dreary day outside, it's
>>great to be able to count on a hearty laugh from your posts.
>
>
>>"And do you really think my money comes from the sponsors of the
>>magazine? "
>
>
> I believe Lorenzo has already made the point many times by now that you are
> being paid (wages or salary or whatever) for your contributions to the
> magazine. True or false? If true, then those advertisers, of which Bigha is
> one, are indirectly paying you via the publisher (Mr. Ball) who I believe is
> also the owner of the magazine.
>
> Skimming over this issue like you do will not get you off Mr. Love's hook.
> He has caught you and you are now floundering about gasping for air. Why not
> just admit that you cannot be too critical of any bike you review for the
> magazine that you work for or you would be let go in a trice.
>
> This small recumbent world of ours can only afford a single Bob Bryant,
> editor and publisher of RCN. He is often critical of the bikes he reviews
> and his magazine has suffered for it. But the rest of us, his customers and
> ultimate bike users, have been the beneficiaries of his honesty. Can as much
> be said about you?
>

Read what is written, Dolan, especially what is written by me - and
Love, too. His claim was that BiGHA sponsors me. That's silly. As to
their advertising with the magazine, I have never disputed that. Again,
read.
As to my not being able to be "too critical" of any bike - that's
obviously based not on what I have written for the magazine, but your
own assumptions, presumptions, and (perhaps) knowledge of what you would
do, in a similar situation.
Check out what I have written, and then compare my evaluations with
your own. Or, probably, with someone else's, seeing as how you don't
believe in personal experience. If I have glossed over, lied about, or
just plain didn't mention something that could be viewed as "critical",
then let us know. Otherwise, your contention - that I "can't be too
critical" - is without substance, and is based on ignorance.
Incidentally, I am currently reviewing another trike - I do love
trikes, as the readers of BROL and the associated message board have
found out - and I'll let you all know when it's published.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

 

[Larry Varney]

Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
> Larry Varney wrote:
>
>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>
>>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Lorenzo, I'll try this one more time: I don't criticize that
>>>>>> which I do have not first-hand experience with. Ignorance is a
>>>>>> curable disease, but it is not something to be proud of.
>>>>>> And Lorenzo, can you understand this? BiGHA advertises on the
>>>>>> magazine. They do not pay me, they do not sponsor me, and I owe
>>>>>> them nothing. Got that? What I do owe, though, is my honest
>>>>>> opinion to those who read my reviews. And, if and when I ever ride
>>>>>> a BiGHA, I'll give my opinion on it.
>>>>>> What good is an opinion given that is based on ignorance? How
>>>>>> would it affect my credibility, or that of the magazine, if I were
>>>>>> to talk about the "value" and merits, the pros and cons, of
>>>>>> something that I have not even ridden?
>>>>>> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because
>>>>>> people know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On
>>>>>> the flip side, this explains why others have such low regard for
>>>>>> you and your opinions - you seem to take pride in your lack of
>>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>> Perhaps if you actually read the magazine and my reviews, you
>>>>>> would see that I have criticized the products of some of our
>>>>>> sponsors. Nothing I have reviewed has been perfect, though several
>>>>>> have been quite good. But perfect? No. And, I have reported those
>>>>>> things which appeared to be shortcomings (in my opinion) in the
>>>>>> magazine.
>>>>>> Try knowledge and experience sometime, Lorenzo, instead of
>>>>>> ignorance. Maybe then people will stop tuning you out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there no limit to your prevarication about your financial
>>>>> relationship with Bigha?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have not lied about the financial relationship of BiGHA with the
>>>> magazine. Your original claim was that BiGHA sponsored me. That is
>>>> silly, stupid, and moronic. They don't.
>>>>
>>>>> You have as good as admitted that the Bigha is overpriced, so why
>>>>> would you keep on protesting over and over again when other people
>>>>> make that same simple observation, if not for the fact that you
>>>>> derive income, however indirectly, from Bigha?
>>>>>
>>>> I have not "good as admitted" anything, and I have not "protested"
>>>> when other people make that observation. Learn to read, Lorenzo. And
>>>> learn to accept the fact that neither you nor Dolan are God, and
>>>> neither you nor Dolan have the power to decide what is important for
>>>> everyone, to the exclusion of what those other people might decide
>>>> for themselves. If you two keep it up, someone in a white suit is
>>>> going to take you off to the happy place for some period of
>>>> observation...
>>>>
>>>> >This is probably a fine bike for
>>>>
>>>>> relatively slow recreational rides or fairly short commuting, but
>>>>> why would anyone what to pay twice as much as they needed to for
>>>>> this type of bike? The constant protesting against this obvious
>>>>> observation is not based on rationality but on other motives closer
>>>>> to the wallet.
>>>>>
>>>> Why would anyone pay the amount it costs for the BiGHA? I don't
>>>> know. Why would anyone pay the amount that it costs for a V-REX, for
>>>> a Baron, for many other bikes and trikes? We can only be safe in
>>>> trying to explain why WE would buy (or not) some particular item.
>>>> The "constant protesting against this obvious observation" is
>>>> coming from some deep, hollow recesses of your mind, Love -
>>>> definitely not from me. I just haven't joined your cheerleading
>>>> jihad against this bike, simply because I haven't ridden it, so I
>>>> don't feel that my observations would be all that valid. See, unlike
>>>> you and Dolan, I don't treat ignorance as "genius", and I try to
>>>> learn about something before I form an opinion about it.
>>>> The motives for this are based on reason and common sense, not the
>>>> wallet, and defintely not anywhere close to where you pull your
>>>> ideas from.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Still viciously attacking anyone who makes the simple criticism of
>>> the Bigha that it costs far too much. Why does he go through so time
>>> and effort to make such a fool of himself? Because he knows where his
>>> money comes from. The sponsors of his magazine.
>>>
>>> Lorenzo L. Love
>>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>>
>>
>> ROTFL! Lorenzo, you're definitely one of the funnier people posting.
>> You really should put in some emoticons, though, for those who haven't
>> been following along and might mistakenly think you're serious. Those
>> who have been reading the posts, of course, know that I have done none
>> of the things you accuse me of. And, they can't possibly believe that
>> you're serious.
>> And do you really think my money comes from the sponsors of the
>> magazine? Hardly. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read your
>> latest bon mot - spew city! (And read this to yourself several times,
>> so it will sink in: it's not my magazine.)
>> But keep up the good work, Love. When it's a dreary day outside,
>> it's great to be able to count on a hearty laugh from your posts.
>>
>
> You know, I know and everyone who has ever seen the home page of
> bentrideronline knows that you are quite simply lying. Bigha is a paid
> sponsor of bentrideronline and you are an editor of bentrideronline. If
> your money does not come from your sponsors, where does it come from?
> Does the money Bigha and the other sponsors pays bentrideronline
> mysteriously disappear and your income paid by bentrideronline somehow
> mysteriously reappears? Could you draw a income from bentrideronline if
> all the sponsors stopped paying? Your lying about this has destroyed
> what little credibility you had and is quickly destroying any
> credibility bentrideronline had.
>
> Lorenzo L. Love

Lorenzo, Lorenzo: emoticons! But your humor is wearing thin,
regardless. But just in case you're being serious, I'll try to explain
this to you once more - and read it several times; maybe it will sink in.
Yes, BiGHA advertises on 'BentRider Online. I've never disputed that.
What I disputed was your claim that BiGHA sponsors me. They don't.
The magazine's money comes from its advertisers. Mine doesn't.


--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> Read what is written, Dolan, especially what is written by me - and
> Love, too. His claim was that BiGHA sponsors me. That's silly. As to
> their advertising with the magazine, I have never disputed that. Again,
> read.
[...]

That is what we are both saying - you dolt! That you are being paid by the
magazine and therefore you cannot be too critical of the bikes you review or
you would be let go. Where the hell do you suppose Mr. Ball gets his money
to pay you if not from his advertisers.

I am not making any blanket charge that you do not do good reviews. I am
merely making the very simple observation that you cannot ******** your
advertisers with a bad review. Elementary, my dear Watson!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Larry Varney]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> [...]
>
>> Read what is written, Dolan, especially what is written by me - and
>>Love, too. His claim was that BiGHA sponsors me. That's silly. As to
>>their advertising with the magazine, I have never disputed that. Again,
>>read.
>
> [...]
>
> That is what we are both saying - you dolt! That you are being paid by the
> magazine and therefore you cannot be too critical of the bikes you review or
> you would be let go. Where the hell do you suppose Mr. Ball gets his money
> to pay you if not from his advertisers.
>
> I am not making any blanket charge that you do not do good reviews. I am
> merely making the very simple observation that you cannot ******** your
> advertisers with a bad review. Elementary, my dear Watson!
>

Nope, that wasn't what he said - you dolt! He said I was sponsored by
BiGHA. I'm not. You dolt! "And therefore" is followed by a conclusion
supported by, what? Evidence? Nope, just supposition. You dolt!
If a review pisses off the sponsors because it was erroneous, biased,
or just plain wrong, that's one thing. But if you criticize them for
something that needs to be changed, the good sponsors will appreciate it
- they'd rather hear it from you, instead of a bunch of irate customers.
The thing you and your friend don't seem to understand is, that the
magazine stands a much better chance of having problems if the
readership starts thinking that nothing 'bad' is going to be said about
a product, if they buy an ad or sponsor the magazine in any way. And if
that happens, guess what? Readership drops, and the ads go away. You dolt!
And the result is elementary, as you say. Either write reviews that
are credible, or the readers will go elsewhere, and the advertisers will
leave along with them.
You dolt!

And I'll have to admit, when I first saw that phrase, I thought you had
left out a space, and were saying "you do it". And I thought - wha? I
need a better monitor!

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > [...]
> >
> >> Read what is written, Dolan, especially what is written by me - and
> >>Love, too. His claim was that BiGHA sponsors me. That's silly. As to
> >>their advertising with the magazine, I have never disputed that. Again,
> >>read.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > That is what we are both saying - you dolt! That you are being paid by
the
> > magazine and therefore you cannot be too critical of the bikes you
review or
> > you would be let go. Where the hell do you suppose Mr. Ball gets his
money
> > to pay you if not from his advertisers.
> >
> > I am not making any blanket charge that you do not do good reviews. I am
> > merely making the very simple observation that you cannot ******** your
> > advertisers with a bad review. Elementary, my dear Watson!
> >
>
> Nope, that wasn't what he said - you dolt! He said I was sponsored by
> BiGHA. I'm not. You dolt! "And therefore" is followed by a conclusion
> supported by, what? Evidence? Nope, just supposition. You dolt!
> If a review pisses off the sponsors because it was erroneous, biased,
> or just plain wrong, that's one thing. But if you criticize them for
> something that needs to be changed, the good sponsors will appreciate it
> - they'd rather hear it from you, instead of a bunch of irate customers.
> The thing you and your friend don't seem to understand is, that the
> magazine stands a much better chance of having problems if the
> readership starts thinking that nothing 'bad' is going to be said about
> a product, if they buy an ad or sponsor the magazine in any way. And if
> that happens, guess what? Readership drops, and the ads go away. You dolt!
> And the result is elementary, as you say. Either write reviews that
> are credible, or the readers will go elsewhere, and the advertisers will
> leave along with them.
> You dolt!
>
> And I'll have to admit, when I first saw that phrase, I thought you had
> left out a space, and were saying "you do it". And I thought - wha? I
> need a better monitor!
>
> --
> Larry Varney
> Cold Spring, KY
> http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney
>
>

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > [...]
> >
> >> Read what is written, Dolan, especially what is written by me - and
> >>Love, too. His claim was that BiGHA sponsors me. That's silly. As to
> >>their advertising with the magazine, I have never disputed that. Again,
> >>read.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > That is what we are both saying - you dolt! That you are being paid by
the
> > magazine and therefore you cannot be too critical of the bikes you
review or
> > you would be let go. Where the hell do you suppose Mr. Ball gets his
money
> > to pay you if not from his advertisers.
> >
> > I am not making any blanket charge that you do not do good reviews. I am
> > merely making the very simple observation that you cannot ******** your
> > advertisers with a bad review. Elementary, my dear Watson!
> >
>
> Nope, that wasn't what he said - you dolt! He said I was sponsored by
> BiGHA. I'm not. You dolt! "And therefore" is followed by a conclusion
> supported by, what? Evidence? Nope, just supposition. You dolt!

He meant by sponsor that you were being paid by the magazine for your
review. But it is ever the way of small minds to attach to details and make
a big issue out of nothing. I occasionally like to set up straw men too, but
I try not to make a habit of it.

> If a review pisses off the sponsors because it was erroneous, biased,
> or just plain wrong, that's one thing. But if you criticize them for
> something that needs to be changed, the good sponsors will appreciate it
> - they'd rather hear it from you, instead of a bunch of irate customers.

Don't make me laugh! Now you are just plain being ridiculous.

> The thing you and your friend don't seem to understand is, that the
> magazine stands a much better chance of having problems if the
> readership starts thinking that nothing 'bad' is going to be said about
> a product, if they buy an ad or sponsor the magazine in any way. And if
> that happens, guess what? Readership drops, and the ads go away. You dolt!

No, all the readers know what the magazine does and why it does it. The ads
never go away no matter what. The only thing that makes the ads go away is
if the manufacturer goes out of business (or gets a bad review). Most
magazines are nothing but shills for their advertisers. Everyone knows that.
That is why magazines like Consumer's Reports are so valuable.

> And the result is elementary, as you say. Either write reviews that
> are credible, or the readers will go elsewhere, and the advertisers will
> leave along with them.
> You dolt!

Most reviews will tell you quite a bit about a product and still mange to
avoid any criticism of the product. Everyone knows that.

> And I'll have to admit, when I first saw that phrase, I thought you had
> left out a space, and were saying "you do it". And I thought - wha? I
> need a better monitor!

?

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

PS. I believe I have just added a new word to Varney's vocabulary, namely
"dolt". He is using it over and over and that is the way you become
acquainted with new words. But like all simple minded people, he pushes it
too far and never knows when to stop making a fool of himself.

 

[Lorenzo L. Love]

Larry Varney wrote:

> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>
>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>
>>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>>
>>>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lorenzo, I'll try this one more time: I don't criticize that
>>>>>>> which I do have not first-hand experience with. Ignorance is a
>>>>>>> curable disease, but it is not something to be proud of.
>>>>>>> And Lorenzo, can you understand this? BiGHA advertises on the
>>>>>>> magazine. They do not pay me, they do not sponsor me, and I owe
>>>>>>> them nothing. Got that? What I do owe, though, is my honest
>>>>>>> opinion to those who read my reviews. And, if and when I ever
>>>>>>> ride a BiGHA, I'll give my opinion on it.
>>>>>>> What good is an opinion given that is based on ignorance? How
>>>>>>> would it affect my credibility, or that of the magazine, if I
>>>>>>> were to talk about the "value" and merits, the pros and cons, of
>>>>>>> something that I have not even ridden?
>>>>>>> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because
>>>>>>> people know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On
>>>>>>> the flip side, this explains why others have such low regard for
>>>>>>> you and your opinions - you seem to take pride in your lack of
>>>>>>> knowledge.
>>>>>>> Perhaps if you actually read the magazine and my reviews, you
>>>>>>> would see that I have criticized the products of some of our
>>>>>>> sponsors. Nothing I have reviewed has been perfect, though
>>>>>>> several have been quite good. But perfect? No. And, I have
>>>>>>> reported those things which appeared to be shortcomings (in my
>>>>>>> opinion) in the magazine.
>>>>>>> Try knowledge and experience sometime, Lorenzo, instead of
>>>>>>> ignorance. Maybe then people will stop tuning you out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there no limit to your prevarication about your financial
>>>>>> relationship with Bigha?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not lied about the financial relationship of BiGHA with
>>>>> the magazine. Your original claim was that BiGHA sponsored me. That
>>>>> is silly, stupid, and moronic. They don't.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You have as good as admitted that the Bigha is overpriced, so why
>>>>>> would you keep on protesting over and over again when other people
>>>>>> make that same simple observation, if not for the fact that you
>>>>>> derive income, however indirectly, from Bigha?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have not "good as admitted" anything, and I have not
>>>>> "protested" when other people make that observation. Learn to read,
>>>>> Lorenzo. And learn to accept the fact that neither you nor Dolan
>>>>> are God, and neither you nor Dolan have the power to decide what is
>>>>> important for everyone, to the exclusion of what those other people
>>>>> might decide for themselves. If you two keep it up, someone in a
>>>>> white suit is going to take you off to the happy place for some
>>>>> period of observation...
>>>>>
>>>>> >This is probably a fine bike for
>>>>>
>>>>>> relatively slow recreational rides or fairly short commuting, but
>>>>>> why would anyone what to pay twice as much as they needed to for
>>>>>> this type of bike? The constant protesting against this obvious
>>>>>> observation is not based on rationality but on other motives
>>>>>> closer to the wallet.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why would anyone pay the amount it costs for the BiGHA? I don't
>>>>> know. Why would anyone pay the amount that it costs for a V-REX,
>>>>> for a Baron, for many other bikes and trikes? We can only be safe
>>>>> in trying to explain why WE would buy (or not) some particular item.
>>>>> The "constant protesting against this obvious observation" is
>>>>> coming from some deep, hollow recesses of your mind, Love -
>>>>> definitely not from me. I just haven't joined your cheerleading
>>>>> jihad against this bike, simply because I haven't ridden it, so I
>>>>> don't feel that my observations would be all that valid. See,
>>>>> unlike you and Dolan, I don't treat ignorance as "genius", and I
>>>>> try to learn about something before I form an opinion about it.
>>>>> The motives for this are based on reason and common sense, not
>>>>> the wallet, and defintely not anywhere close to where you pull your
>>>>> ideas from.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still viciously attacking anyone who makes the simple criticism of
>>>> the Bigha that it costs far too much. Why does he go through so time
>>>> and effort to make such a fool of himself? Because he knows where
>>>> his money comes from. The sponsors of his magazine.
>>>>
>>>> Lorenzo L. Love
>>>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>>>
>>>
>>> ROTFL! Lorenzo, you're definitely one of the funnier people
>>> posting. You really should put in some emoticons, though, for those
>>> who haven't been following along and might mistakenly think you're
>>> serious. Those who have been reading the posts, of course, know that
>>> I have done none of the things you accuse me of. And, they can't
>>> possibly believe that you're serious.
>>> And do you really think my money comes from the sponsors of the
>>> magazine? Hardly. I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read
>>> your latest bon mot - spew city! (And read this to yourself several
>>> times, so it will sink in: it's not my magazine.)
>>> But keep up the good work, Love. When it's a dreary day outside,
>>> it's great to be able to count on a hearty laugh from your posts.
>>>
>>
>> You know, I know and everyone who has ever seen the home page of
>> bentrideronline knows that you are quite simply lying. Bigha is a paid
>> sponsor of bentrideronline and you are an editor of bentrideronline.
>> If your money does not come from your sponsors, where does it come
>> from? Does the money Bigha and the other sponsors pays bentrideronline
>> mysteriously disappear and your income paid by bentrideronline somehow
>> mysteriously reappears? Could you draw a income from bentrideronline
>> if all the sponsors stopped paying? Your lying about this has
>> destroyed what little credibility you had and is quickly destroying
>> any credibility bentrideronline had.
>>
>> Lorenzo L. Love
>
>
> Lorenzo, Lorenzo: emoticons! But your humor is wearing thin,
> regardless. But just in case you're being serious, I'll try to explain
> this to you once more - and read it several times; maybe it will sink in.
> Yes, BiGHA advertises on 'BentRider Online. I've never disputed that.
> What I disputed was your claim that BiGHA sponsors me. They don't.
> The magazine's money comes from its advertisers. Mine doesn't.
>
>

Your inability to tell the truth make it clear that nothing you say can
be taken at face value. We will have to looks at bentrideronline which
you edit, as an extension of your lies. We can't trust it's contents
anymore then we can trust you to tell the truth. It is transparently
obvious to everyone that your income from bentrideronline derives from
your sponsors. No sponsors, no income. Therefore sponsors must be
defended at all costs. I fail to see any other reason for this vendetta
against an obvious observation that the Bigha, one of your paid
sponsors, costs too much. Follow the money.

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

Thirst makes any wine drinkable
And greed makes any crime thinkable

 

[Larry Varney]

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>>"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>
>>>> Read what is written, Dolan, especially what is written by me - and
>>>>Love, too. His claim was that BiGHA sponsors me. That's silly. As to
>>>>their advertising with the magazine, I have never disputed that. Again,
>>>>read.
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>
>>>That is what we are both saying - you dolt! That you are being paid by
>
> the
>
>>>magazine and therefore you cannot be too critical of the bikes you
>
> review or
>
>>>you would be let go. Where the hell do you suppose Mr. Ball gets his
>
> money
>
>>>to pay you if not from his advertisers.
>>>
>>>I am not making any blanket charge that you do not do good reviews. I am
>>>merely making the very simple observation that you cannot ******** your
>>>advertisers with a bad review. Elementary, my dear Watson!
>>>
>>
>> Nope, that wasn't what he said - you dolt! He said I was sponsored by
>>BiGHA. I'm not. You dolt! "And therefore" is followed by a conclusion
>>supported by, what? Evidence? Nope, just supposition. You dolt!
>
>
> He meant by sponsor that you were being paid by the magazine for your
> review. But it is ever the way of small minds to attach to details and make
> a big issue out of nothing. I occasionally like to set up straw men too, but
> I try not to make a habit of it.
>
>

I'll know who to go to from now on, when I have questions about what
Lorenzo says, especially if what he said seems pretty stupid. But that
is the way of details, I suppose.
Anyway, I have not been making a "big issue" out of any of this - who
has been constantly ranting and raving about this BiGHA, and now my
being "sponsored" by them? Certainly not me. But I do agree with you -
his behavior does indicate a small mind.

>>If a review pisses off the sponsors because it was erroneous, biased,
>>or just plain wrong, that's one thing. But if you criticize them for
>>something that needs to be changed, the good sponsors will appreciate it
>>- they'd rather hear it from you, instead of a bunch of irate customers.
>
>
> Don't make me laugh! Now you are just plain being ridiculous.
>
>
>>The thing you and your friend don't seem to understand is, that the
>>magazine stands a much better chance of having problems if the
>>readership starts thinking that nothing 'bad' is going to be said about
>>a product, if they buy an ad or sponsor the magazine in any way. And if
>>that happens, guess what? Readership drops, and the ads go away. You dolt!
>
>
> No, all the readers know what the magazine does and why it does it. The ads
> never go away no matter what. The only thing that makes the ads go away is
> if the manufacturer goes out of business (or gets a bad review). Most
> magazines are nothing but shills for their advertisers. Everyone knows that.
> That is why magazines like Consumer's Reports are so valuable.
>
>

And now *you* are being ridiculous. Ads will go away when the
readership shrinks, and that will happen if the readership no longer
trusts the reviews. "Everyone knows that" is a common phrase used by
the ignorant to cover up for their lack of actual knowledge.

>>And the result is elementary, as you say. Either write reviews that
>>are credible, or the readers will go elsewhere, and the advertisers will
>>leave along with them.
>> You dolt!
>
>
> Most reviews will tell you quite a bit about a product and still mange to
> avoid any criticism of the product. Everyone knows that.
>
>

See above.

>>And I'll have to admit, when I first saw that phrase, I thought you had
>>left out a space, and were saying "you do it". And I thought - wha? I
>>need a better monitor!
>
>
> ?
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>



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Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
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[Larry Varney]

Lorenzo L. Love wrote:

> Your inability to tell the truth make it clear that nothing you say can
> be taken at face value. We will have to looks at bentrideronline which
> you edit, as an extension of your lies. We can't trust it's contents
> anymore then we can trust you to tell the truth. It is transparently
> obvious to everyone that your income from bentrideronline derives from
> your sponsors. No sponsors, no income. Therefore sponsors must be
> defended at all costs. I fail to see any other reason for this vendetta
> against an obvious observation that the Bigha, one of your paid
> sponsors, costs too much. Follow the money.
>
> Lorenzo L. Love

What have I lied about, Lorenzo? You said that BiGHA sponsors me. It
doesn't. I agreed that BiGHA has advertisements on the magazine. Which
of those are lies? They advertise on the magazine, but they do not
sponsor me. And I see that you STILL make that claim, that they are on
eof MY "paid sponsors".
And this is one issue that has been beat on for weeks, and you can't
seem to understand it - I have never defended BiGHA the company, nor
BiGHA the bike. Never! Never have I written anything good about either!
Never!
That's it for me, Love. Either you're congentially unable to
understand such a simple concept, or you're being deliberately obtuse.
Which is it, Love? Are you stupid or just a royal pain? Either way, It
serves little purpose to keep telling you the same thing, over and over.

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Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney