Has anyone tried the Bigha?



"Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Someone asked what people think of the Bigha. I answered them that I
> think it is grossly overpriced for a 50 lb comfort bike. This is based
> on publicly known information, right off of Bigha's own website. Are you
> disputing Bigha's own data?

Not at all, it is heavy and expensive in my opinion

> If you are so wealthy or foolish with your
> money that you do not think that $3000 is too much for a slow heavy
> comfort bike, then that is your right to say so and make a fool of
> yourself.

This is the dispute, you seem to think anyone who buys one is foolish or
wealthy (or both) will buy one and anyone who knows recumbents won't buy one
when you have no idea who so far has purchased one.

> But why do you find it necessary to repeatedly attack people
> who have an opinion contrary to your's? I've stated what my opinion is
> based on, why can't you do the same? If you have never rode this bike,
> what do you base your opinion on, besides Bigha's own data? Why the
> emotional investment in this bike? What connection do you have with Bigha?

Why is it anyone who disagrees with you somehow has to have a relationship
with Bigha? So far you think all reviewers are now biased or corrupt and now
Larry Varney and I somehow have a connection to the company. Why did you
spend 30+ messages about this bike you do not like or want?
 
"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Someone asked what people think of the Bigha. I answered them that I
> > think it is grossly overpriced for a 50 lb comfort bike. This is based
> > on publicly known information, right off of Bigha's own website. Are you
> > disputing Bigha's own data?
>
> Not at all, it is heavy and expensive in my opinion

So why the hell didn't you say this in the first place, about 30 posts ago?

> > If you are so wealthy or foolish with your
> > money that you do not think that $3000 is too much for a slow heavy
> > comfort bike, then that is your right to say so and make a fool of
> > yourself.
>
> This is the dispute, you seem to think anyone who buys one is foolish or
> wealthy (or both) will buy one and anyone who knows recumbents won't buy
one
> when you have no idea who so far has purchased one.

Yes, that is certainly what I think! And I base it on the power of
reasoning, something which you sorely lack.

> > But why do you find it necessary to repeatedly attack people
> > who have an opinion contrary to your's? I've stated what my opinion is
> > based on, why can't you do the same? If you have never rode this bike,
> > what do you base your opinion on, besides Bigha's own data? Why the
> > emotional investment in this bike? What connection do you have with
Bigha?
>
> Why is it anyone who disagrees with you somehow has to have a relationship
> with Bigha? So far you think all reviewers are now biased or corrupt and
now
> Larry Varney and I somehow have a connection to the company. Why did you
> spend 30+ messages about this bike you do not like or want?

He has to spend so many messages because of jackasses like you! Why the hell
don't you check yourself into a mental hospital and try to find out what is
wrong with you. We here on ARBR don't care to minister to your pathologies.
You are obviously nothing but a nut and a screwball. But I have yet to ever
encounter anyone who was into kill filing like you who was ever anything
but. God, you are just so predictable!

Lorenzo, stop playing with this asshole like a cat with a mouse and put him
out of his misery!

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Someone asked what people think of the Bigha. I answered them that I
>>think it is grossly overpriced for a 50 lb comfort bike. This is based
>>on publicly known information, right off of Bigha's own website. Are you
>>disputing Bigha's own data?
>
>
> Not at all, it is heavy and expensive in my opinion

There, wasn't that easy!

>
>
>>If you are so wealthy or foolish with your
>>money that you do not think that $3000 is too much for a slow heavy
>>comfort bike, then that is your right to say so and make a fool of
>>yourself.
>
>
> This is the dispute, you seem to think anyone who buys one is foolish or
> wealthy (or both) will buy one and anyone who knows recumbents won't buy one
> when you have no idea who so far has purchased one.

How many people experienced with recumbents have bought one? Not you,
not me. The last time this came up, the only person who claimed to have
bought one turned out to be a scumbag identity thief who turned out to
lying anyhow. Not even he was dumb enough to buy one. So has anyone out
there bought one? Speak up!

>
>
>>But why do you find it necessary to repeatedly attack people
>>who have an opinion contrary to your's? I've stated what my opinion is
>>based on, why can't you do the same? If you have never rode this bike,
>>what do you base your opinion on, besides Bigha's own data? Why the
>>emotional investment in this bike? What connection do you have with Bigha?
>
>
> Why is it anyone who disagrees with you somehow has to have a relationship
> with Bigha? So far you think all reviewers are now biased or corrupt and now
> Larry Varney and I somehow have a connection to the company. Why did you
> spend 30+ messages about this bike you do not like or want?
>
>

Varney does have a relationship. They are one of the sponsors of his web
magazine. You obviously have a strong emotional investment in this bike.
Why? I post messages because people ask questions and I answer them. Why
can't you answer some simple questions? Why are you defending this bike
you acknowledge is heavy and expensive and which you would never buy?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"If you do not tell the truth about yourself you cannot tell it about
other people."
Virginia Woolf (1882-1941).
 
Since this is Ed, please drop down to the bottom of the post for a proper
reply.
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:98Pzc.60604$Sw.23486@attbi_s51...
> [...]
> > I won't judge a bike until I ride it, you on the other hand just attack
> > anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion.
>
> I do not have to ride the bike to know that it is over priced and over
> weight and is not a good value. The reason I can say this is because I am
> not an idiot like you are. What do you think you are going to find out by
> riding this over priced and over weight bike anyway? You need to see a
head
> shrink and find out why you are so stupid!
>
> --
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
>
>
>
>
I am somewhat surprised that you take offense at a bike that is reportedly
overweight. You seem to proclaim that all this talk about speed is vastly
overrated. If more people rode overweight "comfort" bikes their speed would
drop to the levels that you espouse so regularly.:)

As for Lorenzo, phlllllllttt! :(

William Higley, Sr.
Vision R-50
RANS Rocket
 
"Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> > This is the dispute, you seem to think anyone who buys one is foolish or
> > wealthy (or both) will buy one and anyone who knows recumbents won't buy
one
> > when you have no idea who so far has purchased one.
>
> How many people experienced with recumbents have bought one? Not you,
> not me. The last time this came up, the only person who claimed to have
> bought one turned out to be a scumbag identity thief who turned out to
> lying anyhow. Not even he was dumb enough to buy one. So has anyone out
> there bought one? Speak up!

This may be hard for you to believe but not everyone who rides a recumbent
reads or even knows about this newsgroup

> Varney does have a relationship. They are one of the sponsors of his web
> magazine. You obviously have a strong emotional investment in this bike.
> Why? I post messages because people ask questions and I answer them. Why
> can't you answer some simple questions? Why are you defending this bike
> you acknowledge is heavy and expensive and which you would never buy?

I've already answered your questions however it appears you stopped
listening long ago
 
"William Higley, Sr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Since this is Ed, please drop down to the bottom of the post for a proper
> reply.
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:98Pzc.60604$Sw.23486@attbi_s51...
> > [...]
> > > I won't judge a bike until I ride it, you on the other hand just
attack
> > > anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion.
> >
> > I do not have to ride the bike to know that it is over priced and over
> > weight and is not a good value. The reason I can say this is because I
am
> > not an idiot like you are. What do you think you are going to find out
by
> > riding this over priced and over weight bike anyway? You need to see a
> head
> > shrink and find out why you are so stupid!
> >
> > --
> > Ed Dolan - Minnesota
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I am somewhat surprised that you take offense at a bike that is reportedly
> overweight. You seem to proclaim that all this talk about speed is vastly
> overrated. If more people rode overweight "comfort" bikes their speed
would
> drop to the levels that you espouse so regularly.:)
>
> As for Lorenzo, phlllllllttt! :(
>
> William Higley, Sr.
> Vision R-50
> RANS Rocket

I seriously doubt Ed even rides much less leaves the comfort of his
computer, hey you DO know that R-50 is considered a heavy bike right? :)

(I have one too)
 
"William Higley, Sr." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Since this is Ed, please drop down to the bottom of the post for a proper
> reply.

There is never any need to explain a proper post.

[...]

> I am somewhat surprised that you take offense at a bike that is reportedly
> overweight. You seem to proclaim that all this talk about speed is vastly
> overrated. If more people rode overweight "comfort" bikes their speed
would
> drop to the levels that you espouse so regularly.:)

My main complaint with the Bigha is actually the outrageous price, not the
fact that it is on the heavy side. A light weight bike has advantages even
if like me you are not into speed. It is simply easier to pedal, however
slow you are going.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>This is the dispute, you seem to think anyone who buys one is foolish or
>>>wealthy (or both) will buy one and anyone who knows recumbents won't buy
>
> one
>
>>>when you have no idea who so far has purchased one.
>>
>>How many people experienced with recumbents have bought one? Not you,
>>not me. The last time this came up, the only person who claimed to have
>>bought one turned out to be a scumbag identity thief who turned out to
>>lying anyhow. Not even he was dumb enough to buy one. So has anyone out
>>there bought one? Speak up!
>
>
> This may be hard for you to believe but not everyone who rides a recumbent
> reads or even knows about this newsgroup

No, but it's a large sample of the more experienced and knowledgeable
recumbent riders. Anyone bought a Bigha?

>
>
>>Varney does have a relationship. They are one of the sponsors of his web
>>magazine. You obviously have a strong emotional investment in this bike.
>>Why? I post messages because people ask questions and I answer them. Why
>>can't you answer some simple questions? Why are you defending this bike
>>you acknowledge is heavy and expensive and which you would never buy?
>
>
> I've already answered your questions however it appears you stopped
> listening long ago
>
>
>

Did you? I must have missed that. Please tell us again why are you are
so fanatically defending this bike you acknowledge is heavy and
expensive and which you would never buy?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand
 
"Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> > This may be hard for you to believe but not everyone who rides a
recumbent
> > reads or even knows about this newsgroup
>
> No, but it's a large sample of the more experienced and knowledgeable
> recumbent riders. Anyone bought a Bigha?

Its not even that, we have maybe 40-50 active posters (if that) in a market
of about 15,000 to 20,000 bikes (my guess)

Anyone bought one of these?

http://www.go-one.de/ukindex.shtml

If not then it must be garbage that no recumbent rider would get if we use
your logic

> >
> > I've already answered your questions however it appears you stopped
> > listening long ago
> >
> >
> >
>
> Did you? I must have missed that. Please tell us again why are you are
> so fanatically defending this bike you acknowledge is heavy and
> expensive and which you would never buy?

You didn't miss my answer at all, you chose to ignore it, why are you so
fanatically opposed to this bike?
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>This may be hard for you to believe but not everyone who rides a
>
> recumbent
>
>>>reads or even knows about this newsgroup
>>
>>No, but it's a large sample of the more experienced and knowledgeable
>>recumbent riders. Anyone bought a Bigha?
>
>
> Its not even that, we have maybe 40-50 active posters (if that) in a market
> of about 15,000 to 20,000 bikes (my guess)
>
> Anyone bought one of these?
>
> http://www.go-one.de/ukindex.shtml
>
> If not then it must be garbage that no recumbent rider would get if we use
> your logic

At $11,500 and only sold in Germany, I'm not surprised no one in this
mostly U.S. group has bought one. Couldn't you find anything more
expensive or more obscure? Really grasping at straws aren't you?

>
>
>>>I've already answered your questions however it appears you stopped
>>>listening long ago
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Did you? I must have missed that. Please tell us again why are you are
>>so fanatically defending this bike you acknowledge is heavy and
>>expensive and which you would never buy?
>
>
> You didn't miss my answer at all, you chose to ignore it, why are you so
> fanatically opposed to this bike?
>
>

It costs way too much for a heavy comfort bike. See, simple answer. Now
where is your answer? Why are you are so fanatically defending this bike
you acknowledge is heavy and expensive and which you would never buy?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"If you do not tell the truth about yourself you cannot tell it about
other people."
Virginia Woolf (1882-1941).
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> ...
> Anyone bought one of these?
>
> http://www.go-one.de/ukindex.shtml ...

If they reduce the weight of the go-one^3 to 50 pounds and the price to
$3000 US (to match the BigHa), I will buy one.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area
 
"Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> How many people experienced with recumbents have bought one? Not you,
> not me. ... So has anyone out
> there bought one? Speak up!

Not that I see how it matters one way or another, but IIRC purchasers
have posted comments on BROL.

Zach Kaplan reviewd the bike in RCN in what I thought was a pretty
balanced review.

I am not buying one (but if I did, I don't think I would tell this
"group") but I am not _offened_ by this bike in any way. I think it is
interesting, but it doesn't seem like it would meet my needs that
well. There is lots of stuff I don't buy that others do. I believe it
is called a free market.

john riley
 
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Mark Leuck wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Anyone bought one of these?
>>
>> http://www.go-one.de/ukindex.shtml ...
>
>
> If they reduce the weight of the go-one^3 to 50 pounds and the price to
> $3000 US (to match the BigHa), I will buy one.
>

Even at 70 lbs, a carbon fiber monocoque velomobile would be a pretty
good deal at $3000 USD. At $11,500 USD plus inport duty, I don't think so.

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"There was a time when a fool and his money were soon parted, but now it
happens to everybody."
Adlai E. Stevenson
 
"john riley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Lorenzo L. Love" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
>
> > How many people experienced with recumbents have bought one? Not you,
> > not me. ... So has anyone out
> > there bought one? Speak up!
>
> Not that I see how it matters one way or another, but IIRC purchasers
> have posted comments on BROL.
>
> Zach Kaplan reviewd the bike in RCN in what I thought was a pretty
> balanced review.
>
> I am not buying one (but if I did, I don't think I would tell this
> "group") but I am not _offened_ by this bike in any way. I think it is
> interesting, but it doesn't seem like it would meet my needs that
> well. There is lots of stuff I don't buy that others do. I believe it
> is called a free market.

$3000. for a 50 lb. bike! The line forms at the right. It is called Boobus
Americanus. As far as I am concerned Lorenzo L. Love is a genius and all the
rest of you are idiots. Please go out and purchase this g.d. bike so the
manufacturer can go laughing all the way to the bank! A fool and his money
are soon parted.

By the way, screw the free market if it is an uninformed market. And no,
Zach Kaplan is not the last word on how sensible people should spend their
money. He is strictly high end and price is never an object with him.

What is IIRC? I do not like abbreviation much unless it is universally known
what it stands for - like ARBR for alternate recreation bicycles recumbent.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:13:09 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>What is IIRC? I do not like abbreviation much unless it is universally known
>what it stands for - like ARBR for alternate recreation bicycles recumbent.

If I Remember (or Recall) Correctly. Its been around and well used
since the days of Compuserve and Genie.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
 
"Curtis L. Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:13:09 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >What is IIRC? I do not like abbreviation much unless it is universally
known
> >what it stands for - like ARBR for alternate recreation bicycles
recumbent.
>
> If I Remember (or Recall) Correctly. Its been around and well used
> since the days of Compuserve and Genie.

But I do not mean just what is known by computer nerds, but what is known
"universally" by any educated person. Some examples would be U.S.A. for
United States of America or U.K. for United Kingdom or "etc." for and so
forth and "et al" for and others. Too much abbreviation destroys effective
communication and for what - just to save a few words. I do not like
sentences that read like some kind of alphabet soup. It offends my artistic
sensibility.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
>I wish I could be that naive and foolish.

Dolan...your are and then some.
 
"Edward Wong" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >I wish I could be that naive and foolish.
>
> Dolan...your are and then some.

No response is possible when the issues I raised are not addressed. But then
I believe that just about says it all. Wong merely wants to get a word in
edgewise. But Wong is Wrong! Or Wrong is Wong! But he at least has a good
first name.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
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