Has anyone tried the Bigha?



On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:01:53 GMT, "Jon Meinecke" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Fans of _Monty Python Holy Grail_, the Black Knight scene
>will invoke the context and often quote...
>
>"Oh? We'll call it a draw."

While that's my favorite scene in the movie, the two twits on the list
are a less intelligent version of the sparrow discussion.

In any event, its best to ignore them. No one gives them any credence
whatsoever, so there is no damage in walking away. You may as well
argue with a five-year old. Why would I do that when I'm surrounded
every day with adults that can hold an intelligent conversation?

The funny thing is that both glory in their ability to annoy, when any
person that has raised someone through the teen years has dealt with
the same, but worse. You can't make these two leave the room, but you
can make them sit at the card table with the other children, away from
the adults.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
 
"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> > If you haven't ruled it out on the basis of price and weight then you
have
> > given it a second thought. Unlike Lorenzo and me, who are both geniuses,
we
> > have ruled it out on the basis of price and weight. But not everyone can
be
> > smart like us. Some folks are dumb like you. Apparently you are waiting
to
> > ride it so you can decide. Lorenzo and I do not have to ride it in order
to
> > KNOW that it is a very bad buy.
> >
> >
>
> Did you read what you responded to? Did you read where I said that I
> was NOT giving it "second thoughts"? Didn't that tell you that I was not
> considering buying the bike? But no, I did not decide not to buy it,
> just "on the basis of price and weight" - I do not believe that a valid
> buying decision is based just on those two criteria.

But I do - at least negatively when it comes to a bike! You can rule out any
bike if the weight and price are out of all proportion (as is the Bigha) to
what else is available on the market. The fact that you can't grasp this
speaks volumes about how your brain works.

I don't buy food,
> cars, houses, nor bicycles on just those two criteria, and I find it
> interesting and peculiar to meet two "geniuses" who do.

There are other criteria that apply to all the above items that determine
whether they are good buys or not. It is just that the criteria are
different. The two most important criteria when it comes to a bike are price
and weight. These are not the most important criteria when it comes to a
car. But price is always critical in any event no matter what the product.
[...]

> > The adjective "and" as it applies to price and weight is critical to
this
> > whole discussion. ...

> Normally, I would not point this out, but I hate to see a "genius"
> make such a mistake without offering assistance. 'And' is not an
adjective.

Right! A conjunction. But it is normal for a genius like me to trip over
peccadilloes as my mind is ever on the big thought. But your mind is ever on
the little thought and so it is normal for you to pick up on trivialities.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:

> ...
> There are other criteria that apply to all the above items that determine
> whether they are good buys or not. It is just that the criteria are
> different. The two most important criteria when it comes to a bike are price
> and weight....

I could design a recumbent bicycle using thin-wall, small diameter
carbon steel tubing. It would be light and inexpensive. It would also
exhibit excessive frame flexure (leading to poor handling and
performance) and would fail from fatigue in short order. But by E.D.'s
criteria, it would be a good value.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area
 
Jon Meinecke wrote:

> ...
> Jon (Nee!) Meinecke

It!

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> [...]
>
>>>If you haven't ruled it out on the basis of price and weight then you
>
> have
>
>>>given it a second thought. Unlike Lorenzo and me, who are both geniuses,
>
> we
>
>>>have ruled it out on the basis of price and weight. But not everyone can
>
> be
>
>>>smart like us. Some folks are dumb like you. Apparently you are waiting
>
> to
>
>>>ride it so you can decide. Lorenzo and I do not have to ride it in order
>
> to
>
>>>KNOW that it is a very bad buy.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did you read what you responded to? Did you read where I said that I
>>was NOT giving it "second thoughts"? Didn't that tell you that I was not
>>considering buying the bike? But no, I did not decide not to buy it,
>>just "on the basis of price and weight" - I do not believe that a valid
>>buying decision is based just on those two criteria.
>
>
> But I do - at least negatively when it comes to a bike! You can rule out any
> bike if the weight and price are out of all proportion (as is the Bigha) to
> what else is available on the market. The fact that you can't grasp this
> speaks volumes about how your brain works.
>

And I suppose you don't see a comparison to "what else is available
on the market" as another criteria, do you? But tell us, since it
sounds like you've done a study on this, what other bikes are out there
on the market, that are of the same category as the BiGHA, how much they
cost, and how much they weigh.
But seriously - since I know that you have done no such thing, and
will not provide any information like this - I am *NOT* saying that
price and weight are not to be considered, nor am I saying that they
aren't important criteria. And yes, if the price is too high - for the
individual - then that will rule out whatever is being considered. Like,
I doubt if I would every pay what is asked for a Windcheetah Hypersport
trike, no matter how much - or little - it weighs. So yes, price does
pay an imporant part in the purchase of a bike, and is possibly the most
important criteria - for most people.
But these things are not absolutes; they do not apply to everyone. If
someone is really performance-oriented, price shrinks in importance and
weight increases as a consideration. It's not that these people are
wrong, just that they view things of importance differently. I am not so
arrogant as some, who feel that if others disagree, they there's
something wrong with them, something about their "brain works".
Arrogance and ignorance are a dangerous combination. Don't you agree?
> I don't buy food,
>
>>cars, houses, nor bicycles on just those two criteria, and I find it
>>interesting and peculiar to meet two "geniuses" who do.
>
>
> There are other criteria that apply to all the above items that determine
> whether they are good buys or not. It is just that the criteria are
> different. The two most important criteria when it comes to a bike are price
> and weight. These are not the most important criteria when it comes to a
> car. But price is always critical in any event no matter what the product.
> [...]
>
>
>>>The adjective "and" as it applies to price and weight is critical to
>
> this
>
>>>whole discussion. ...
>
>
>> Normally, I would not point this out, but I hate to see a "genius"
>>make such a mistake without offering assistance. 'And' is not an
>
> adjective.
>
> Right! A conjunction. But it is normal for a genius like me to trip over
> peccadilloes as my mind is ever on the big thought. But your mind is ever on
> the little thought and so it is normal for you to pick up on trivialities.
>

You're excused your ignorance of grammar and terms related to the
language. Call it a peccadilloe or whatever you want Since we see that
you judge bikes on just two criteria - except when you admit otherwise,
such as the comfort of the seat - and you say that personal experience
is overrated and unnecessary - except when you accidentally bring up
that seat comfort again - we'll forget that you don't know the
difference between an adjective and a conjunction. We cut geniuses a lot
of slack around here.
So, did you join MENSA? Are you still a member? Attended any RGs or
AGs lately?

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney
 
"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> You're excused your ignorance of grammar and terms related to the
> language. Call it a peccadilloe or whatever you want Since we see that
> you judge bikes on just two criteria - except when you admit otherwise,
> such as the comfort of the seat - and you say that personal experience
> is overrated and unnecessary - except when you accidentally bring up
> that seat comfort again - we'll forget that you don't know the
> difference between an adjective and a conjunction. We cut geniuses a lot
> of slack around here.

You constantly ignore qualifiers like MOST all the time and so you are
always at sea drifting with the current. Did I also not say that weight and
price are not the ONLY considerations? But that they are the MOST important
considerations. I am beginning to think we have a language problem here.
Speekee English?

> So, did you join MENSA? Are you still a member? Attended any RGs or
> AGs lately?

MENSA is for those who are not sure of their intelligence. Geniuses like me
wouldn't be caught dead belonging to an organization like that. Surely you
jest? And no, I am not going to look up RG or AG. Either write things out or
forget about it.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> [...]
>
>> You're excused your ignorance of grammar and terms related to the
>>language. Call it a peccadilloe or whatever you want Since we see that
>>you judge bikes on just two criteria - except when you admit otherwise,
>>such as the comfort of the seat - and you say that personal experience
>>is overrated and unnecessary - except when you accidentally bring up
>>that seat comfort again - we'll forget that you don't know the
>>difference between an adjective and a conjunction. We cut geniuses a lot
>>of slack around here.
>
>
> You constantly ignore qualifiers like MOST all the time and so you are
> always at sea drifting with the current. Did I also not say that weight and
> price are not the ONLY considerations? But that they are the MOST important
> considerations. I am beginning to think we have a language problem here.
> Speekee English?
>
>

Nope, I don't ignore qualifiers - I use them myself. The facts are
this: the criteria used in picking *anything*, including bikes, trikes,
dogs, cats, etc., are not absolutes. They vary from person to person.
Weight and price may be the most important considerations FOR YOU, and
it is likely that they rank very highly for MOST people - but not all.
And if you continue to claim that they are the MOST important criteria
when picking a bike for ALL people, then I doubt if it's a language
problem. You might have something wrong with your conjunctions.

>> So, did you join MENSA? Are you still a member? Attended any RGs or
>>AGs lately?
>
>
> MENSA is for those who are not sure of their intelligence. Geniuses like me
> wouldn't be caught dead belonging to an organization like that. Surely you
> jest? And no, I am not going to look up RG or AG. Either write things out or
> forget about it.
>

Actually, MENSA is not for people who are not sure of their
intelligence. In fact, you have to provide documented proof of your IQ
level before you're allowed to join. But I do not doubt that "geniuses"
like you would't be a member.
You probably think MENSA weighs and costs too much. Right?
--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney
 
Larry Varney wrote:
> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>
>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>
>>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>>
>>>> You claim you have no opinion on this bike but you continuously
>>>> denigrate the opinions and experience of others. Of course you have
>>>> a reason to do so. They are one of your sponsors.
>>>>
>>>> Lorenzo L. Love
>>>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>>>
>>>
>>> When you have some "experience" with this bike, please let us all
>>> know. I am not denigrating your opinion at all, btw, but merely
>>> pointing out that, again, it is just your opinion, based solely on an
>>> observation of the weight and price of a bike you've never seen nor
>>> ridden.
>>> If that's how you make your purchase decisions, that's fine - but
>>> don't act as if it's the only way, the best way, for everyone. Some
>>> of us look at other criteria as well, and a test ride is often one of
>>> the most important.
>>> And as for them being one of my sponsors: nope, they're not.
>>>
>>
>> Anyone experienced with recumbents know that you don't need to pay
>> $3000.00 for a 52 pound comfort bike.
>>
>> Your continuing disavow of a financial connection with Bigha is
>> obviously dishonest to anyone who has seen the bentrideronline.com
>> home page. They are one of the sponsers of the online magazine you are
>> editor of. That's clear, denials simply destroy your credibility and
>> the credibility of your magazine.
>>
>> Lorenzo L. Love
>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>
>
> Lorenzo, let's get this straight: BiGHA is one of the magazine's
> sponsors. They run an ad there. BiGHA is NOT, I repeat NOT, a sponsor of
> ME. Got that? They don't sponsor, pay, provide food, clothing, nothing,
> to ME. Got that?
> And why do you keep carrying on about that bike? That "you don't need
> to pay $3000 for a 52 pound comfort bike." No kidding! Who in the hell
> ever said that you did? Me? Only in your most demented dreams, Lorenzo.
> You don't need to spend $3000 for such a bike, you don't need to spend
> $1000. In fact, you don't need to spend ANYTHING. Yes, we all know that
> you taken it upon yourself to explain to the world that the bike isn't
> worth that kind of money. In your opinion, as expressed above, $3000 for
> a "comfort bike" that weighs 52 pounds, is not a good deal. Fine. No
> one, and most emphatically me, has ever said that it is a good deal, a
> good value - for you.
> What some people have said, though, that it MAY be a "good value" for
> other people, people who MAY judge the bike by other criteria than
> weight and price. Got that? A "good value" BY THEIR STANDARDS AND
> CRITERIA, and for them - not you. Do you disagree? Do you think that
> your standards, your criteria, are the only correct ones, and that they
> must apply to everyone?
> Grow up, get a life, admit that you've got a problem over this bike,
> and maybe you'll find that you've wasted an awful lot of time that could
> have been spent doing something useful.

Do you really think that you are fooling anyone by denying a financial
connection to Bigha? They give money to your magazine, of which you are
not just a writer but an editor, and the magazine gives money to you. Of
course you can't criticize a sponsor, it would cost the magazine income,
and do your income and job security harm. Speak no evil of advertisers.
We understand that, that's the way most product review magazines work,
denial is pointless. But you are just as effectively destroying your
magazine's credibility by this foolish pretension that you are
impartial. Are we to believe anything you say in face of this obvious
falsehood?

Most people who don't have their job on the line can easily determine
that $3000.00 for a 52 pound comfort bike is by any rational criteria
ridiculous. If that excessive price is not a determining criteria, then
either they have far more money then they know what to do with or they
have no idea of the prices of other competitive bikes. These are the
people Bigha are targeting as customers.

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"If you do not tell the truth about yourself you cannot tell it about
other people."
Virginia Woolf (1882-1941).
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > ...
> > There are other criteria that apply to all the above items that
determine
> > whether they are good buys or not. It is just that the criteria are
> > different. The two most important criteria when it comes to a bike are
price
> > and weight....
>
> I could design a recumbent bicycle using thin-wall, small diameter
> carbon steel tubing. It would be light and inexpensive. It would also
> exhibit excessive frame flexure (leading to poor handling and
> performance) and would fail from fatigue in short order. But by E.D.'s
> criteria, it would be a good value.

I said the two MOST important criteria, not the ONLY criteria.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
> >> So, did you join MENSA? Are you still a member? Attended any RGs or
> >>AGs lately?
> >
> >
> > MENSA is for those who are not sure of their intelligence. Geniuses like
me
> > wouldn't be caught dead belonging to an organization like that. Surely
you
> > jest? And no, I am not going to look up RG or AG. Either write things
out or
> > forget about it.
> >
>
> Actually, MENSA is not for people who are not sure of their
> intelligence. In fact, you have to provide documented proof of your IQ
> level before you're allowed to join. But I do not doubt that "geniuses"
> like you would't be a member.

IQ has been totally discredited. Haven't you heard from the liberals and
those in favor of diversity that it is just nothing but cultural and racial
discrimination?

> You probably think MENSA weighs and costs too much. Right?

No, I don't think anything about MENSA at all and I know next to nothing
about them. All I know and need to know is that I am a genius. You need to
learn to live with this ultimate fact of life about me.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
> Larry Varney wrote:
>
>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>
>>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You claim you have no opinion on this bike but you continuously
>>>>> denigrate the opinions and experience of others. Of course you have
>>>>> a reason to do so. They are one of your sponsors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lorenzo L. Love
>>>>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When you have some "experience" with this bike, please let us all
>>>> know. I am not denigrating your opinion at all, btw, but merely
>>>> pointing out that, again, it is just your opinion, based solely on
>>>> an observation of the weight and price of a bike you've never seen
>>>> nor ridden.
>>>> If that's how you make your purchase decisions, that's fine - but
>>>> don't act as if it's the only way, the best way, for everyone. Some
>>>> of us look at other criteria as well, and a test ride is often one
>>>> of the most important.
>>>> And as for them being one of my sponsors: nope, they're not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone experienced with recumbents know that you don't need to pay
>>> $3000.00 for a 52 pound comfort bike.
>>>
>>> Your continuing disavow of a financial connection with Bigha is
>>> obviously dishonest to anyone who has seen the bentrideronline.com
>>> home page. They are one of the sponsers of the online magazine you
>>> are editor of. That's clear, denials simply destroy your credibility
>>> and the credibility of your magazine.
>>>
>>> Lorenzo L. Love
>>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>
>>
>>
>> Lorenzo, let's get this straight: BiGHA is one of the magazine's
>> sponsors. They run an ad there. BiGHA is NOT, I repeat NOT, a sponsor
>> of ME. Got that? They don't sponsor, pay, provide food, clothing,
>> nothing, to ME. Got that?
>> And why do you keep carrying on about that bike? That "you don't
>> need to pay $3000 for a 52 pound comfort bike." No kidding! Who in the
>> hell ever said that you did? Me? Only in your most demented dreams,
>> Lorenzo.
>> You don't need to spend $3000 for such a bike, you don't need to
>> spend $1000. In fact, you don't need to spend ANYTHING. Yes, we all
>> know that you taken it upon yourself to explain to the world that the
>> bike isn't worth that kind of money. In your opinion, as expressed
>> above, $3000 for a "comfort bike" that weighs 52 pounds, is not a good
>> deal. Fine. No one, and most emphatically me, has ever said that it is
>> a good deal, a good value - for you.
>> What some people have said, though, that it MAY be a "good value"
>> for other people, people who MAY judge the bike by other criteria than
>> weight and price. Got that? A "good value" BY THEIR STANDARDS AND
>> CRITERIA, and for them - not you. Do you disagree? Do you think that
>> your standards, your criteria, are the only correct ones, and that
>> they must apply to everyone?
>> Grow up, get a life, admit that you've got a problem over this bike,
>> and maybe you'll find that you've wasted an awful lot of time that
>> could have been spent doing something useful.
>
>
> Do you really think that you are fooling anyone by denying a financial
> connection to Bigha? They give money to your magazine, of which you are
> not just a writer but an editor, and the magazine gives money to you. Of
> course you can't criticize a sponsor, it would cost the magazine income,
> and do your income and job security harm. Speak no evil of advertisers.
> We understand that, that's the way most product review magazines work,
> denial is pointless. But you are just as effectively destroying your
> magazine's credibility by this foolish pretension that you are
> impartial. Are we to believe anything you say in face of this obvious
> falsehood?
>
> Most people who don't have their job on the line can easily determine
> that $3000.00 for a 52 pound comfort bike is by any rational criteria
> ridiculous. If that excessive price is not a determining criteria, then
> either they have far more money then they know what to do with or they
> have no idea of the prices of other competitive bikes. These are the
> people Bigha are targeting as customers.
>
> Lorenzo L. Love
> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>
Lorenzo, I'll try this one more time: I don't criticize that which I
do have not first-hand experience with. Ignorance is a curable disease,
but it is not something to be proud of.
And Lorenzo, can you understand this? BiGHA advertises on the
magazine. They do not pay me, they do not sponsor me, and I owe them
nothing. Got that? What I do owe, though, is my honest opinion to those
who read my reviews. And, if and when I ever ride a BiGHA, I'll give my
opinion on it.
What good is an opinion given that is based on ignorance? How would
it affect my credibility, or that of the magazine, if I were to talk
about the "value" and merits, the pros and cons, of something that I
have not even ridden?
My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because people
know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On the flip side,
this explains why others have such low regard for you and your opinions
- you seem to take pride in your lack of knowledge.
Perhaps if you actually read the magazine and my reviews, you would
see that I have criticized the products of some of our sponsors. Nothing
I have reviewed has been perfect, though several have been quite good.
But perfect? No. And, I have reported those things which appeared to be
shortcomings (in my opinion) in the magazine.
Try knowledge and experience sometime, Lorenzo, instead of ignorance.
Maybe then people will stop tuning you out.


--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>> So, did you join MENSA? Are you still a member? Attended any RGs or
>>>>AGs lately?
>>>
>>>
>>>MENSA is for those who are not sure of their intelligence. Geniuses like
>
> me
>
>>>wouldn't be caught dead belonging to an organization like that. Surely
>
> you
>
>>>jest? And no, I am not going to look up RG or AG. Either write things
>
> out or
>
>>>forget about it.
>>>
>>
>> Actually, MENSA is not for people who are not sure of their
>>intelligence. In fact, you have to provide documented proof of your IQ
>>level before you're allowed to join. But I do not doubt that "geniuses"
>>like you would't be a member.
>
>
> IQ has been totally discredited. Haven't you heard from the liberals and
> those in favor of diversity that it is just nothing but cultural and racial
> discrimination?
>
>
>> You probably think MENSA weighs and costs too much. Right?
>
>
> No, I don't think anything about MENSA at all and I know next to nothing
> about them. All I know and need to know is that I am a genius. You need to
> learn to live with this ultimate fact of life about me.
>

Wait a minute - didn't you say that "MENSA is for those who are not
sure of their intelligence"? And now you say that you "know next to
nothing about them"? And with that glorious example of double-speak
still hanging in the air, you claim that you "know" that you are a
"genius"? Based on what?
Oh, wait a minute, I get it - it's that "sui generis" thing again,
the "big picture", or whatever explanation you're using to hide the fact
that your latest claim, as usual, is based on ignorance and not facts.
Seriously, if you think you qualify for Mensa, you might want to look
into it. Lots of activities, lots of different people to talk to and
argue with - and some of the most interesting women I have ever met have
been Mensans.
Of course, once you do join Mensa, you run the risk of being snubbed
by the members of Intertel, not to mention the Triple Nine crowd.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney
 
"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because people
> know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On the flip side,
> this explains why others have such low regard for you and your opinions
> - you seem to take pride in your lack of knowledge.

Trust me on this Varney - others on this newsgroup do NOT have a low regard
for Mr. Lorenzo T. Love, quite the contrary. He is a bull dog with his
arguments and we could all learn something by following his reasoning and
logic. I will admit I get easily side tracked and before you know it I can
be off on another subject without half trying. But not Lorenzo. He stays on
track and meets the crux of an objection. I find this very admirable and I
wish I could do it.

I do agree 100 % with Lorenzo in what he has to say about the Bigha and his
reasons for saying it. But you have made your points rather well too. I
would score it a draw myself.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> [...]
>
>> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because people
>>know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On the flip side,
>>this explains why others have such low regard for you and your opinions
>>- you seem to take pride in your lack of knowledge.
>
>
> Trust me on this Varney - others on this newsgroup do NOT have a low regard
> for Mr. Lorenzo T. Love, quite the contrary. He is a bull dog with his
> arguments and we could all learn something by following his reasoning and
> logic. I will admit I get easily side tracked and before you know it I can
> be off on another subject without half trying. But not Lorenzo. He stays on
> track and meets the crux of an objection. I find this very admirable and I
> wish I could do it.
>
> I do agree 100 % with Lorenzo in what he has to say about the Bigha and his
> reasons for saying it. But you have made your points rather well too. I
> would score it a draw myself.
>

Yes, I agree - we can "all learn something by following his reasoning
and logic". As in, faulty reasoning and illogic, topped off with a swirl
of intolerance and a few scoops of ignorance.
Low regard? Yes. And people avoid him like they would a loud,
obnoxious drunk on the street corner, waving a whiskey bottle, shouting
at unseen enemies, with vomit and spittle flying from his mouth.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney
 
"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Wait a minute - didn't you say that "MENSA is for those who are not
> sure of their intelligence"? And now you say that you "know next to
> nothing about them"? And with that glorious example of double-speak
> still hanging in the air, you claim that you "know" that you are a
> "genius"? Based on what?
> Oh, wait a minute, I get it - it's that "sui generis" thing again,
> the "big picture", or whatever explanation you're using to hide the fact
> that your latest claim, as usual, is based on ignorance and not facts.
> Seriously, if you think you qualify for Mensa, you might want to look
> into it. Lots of activities, lots of different people to talk to and
> argue with - and some of the most interesting women I have ever met have
> been Mensans.
> Of course, once you do join Mensa, you run the risk of being snubbed
> by the members of Intertel, not to mention the Triple Nine crowd.
>
> --
> Larry Varney
> Cold Spring, KY
> http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

Ed Dolan thinks he's a genius

Fabio thinks he's a European championship racer

Figure it out Larry :)
 
Larry Varney wrote:
> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>
>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>
>>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>>
>>>> Larry Varney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You claim you have no opinion on this bike but you continuously
>>>>>> denigrate the opinions and experience of others. Of course you
>>>>>> have a reason to do so. They are one of your sponsors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lorenzo L. Love
>>>>>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When you have some "experience" with this bike, please let us all
>>>>> know. I am not denigrating your opinion at all, btw, but merely
>>>>> pointing out that, again, it is just your opinion, based solely on
>>>>> an observation of the weight and price of a bike you've never seen
>>>>> nor ridden.
>>>>> If that's how you make your purchase decisions, that's fine - but
>>>>> don't act as if it's the only way, the best way, for everyone. Some
>>>>> of us look at other criteria as well, and a test ride is often one
>>>>> of the most important.
>>>>> And as for them being one of my sponsors: nope, they're not.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone experienced with recumbents know that you don't need to pay
>>>> $3000.00 for a 52 pound comfort bike.
>>>>
>>>> Your continuing disavow of a financial connection with Bigha is
>>>> obviously dishonest to anyone who has seen the bentrideronline.com
>>>> home page. They are one of the sponsers of the online magazine you
>>>> are editor of. That's clear, denials simply destroy your credibility
>>>> and the credibility of your magazine.
>>>>
>>>> Lorenzo L. Love
>>>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lorenzo, let's get this straight: BiGHA is one of the magazine's
>>> sponsors. They run an ad there. BiGHA is NOT, I repeat NOT, a sponsor
>>> of ME. Got that? They don't sponsor, pay, provide food, clothing,
>>> nothing, to ME. Got that?
>>> And why do you keep carrying on about that bike? That "you don't
>>> need to pay $3000 for a 52 pound comfort bike." No kidding! Who in
>>> the hell ever said that you did? Me? Only in your most demented
>>> dreams, Lorenzo.
>>> You don't need to spend $3000 for such a bike, you don't need to
>>> spend $1000. In fact, you don't need to spend ANYTHING. Yes, we all
>>> know that you taken it upon yourself to explain to the world that the
>>> bike isn't worth that kind of money. In your opinion, as expressed
>>> above, $3000 for a "comfort bike" that weighs 52 pounds, is not a
>>> good deal. Fine. No one, and most emphatically me, has ever said that
>>> it is a good deal, a good value - for you.
>>> What some people have said, though, that it MAY be a "good value"
>>> for other people, people who MAY judge the bike by other criteria
>>> than weight and price. Got that? A "good value" BY THEIR STANDARDS
>>> AND CRITERIA, and for them - not you. Do you disagree? Do you think
>>> that your standards, your criteria, are the only correct ones, and
>>> that they must apply to everyone?
>>> Grow up, get a life, admit that you've got a problem over this
>>> bike, and maybe you'll find that you've wasted an awful lot of time
>>> that could have been spent doing something useful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you really think that you are fooling anyone by denying a financial
>> connection to Bigha? They give money to your magazine, of which you
>> are not just a writer but an editor, and the magazine gives money to
>> you. Of course you can't criticize a sponsor, it would cost the
>> magazine income, and do your income and job security harm. Speak no
>> evil of advertisers. We understand that, that's the way most product
>> review magazines work, denial is pointless. But you are just as
>> effectively destroying your magazine's credibility by this foolish
>> pretension that you are impartial. Are we to believe anything you say
>> in face of this obvious falsehood?
>>
>> Most people who don't have their job on the line can easily determine
>> that $3000.00 for a 52 pound comfort bike is by any rational criteria
>> ridiculous. If that excessive price is not a determining criteria,
>> then either they have far more money then they know what to do with or
>> they have no idea of the prices of other competitive bikes. These are
>> the people Bigha are targeting as customers.
>>
>> Lorenzo L. Love
>> http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove
>>
> Lorenzo, I'll try this one more time: I don't criticize that which I
> do have not first-hand experience with. Ignorance is a curable disease,
> but it is not something to be proud of.
> And Lorenzo, can you understand this? BiGHA advertises on the
> magazine. They do not pay me, they do not sponsor me, and I owe them
> nothing. Got that? What I do owe, though, is my honest opinion to those
> who read my reviews. And, if and when I ever ride a BiGHA, I'll give my
> opinion on it.
> What good is an opinion given that is based on ignorance? How would it
> affect my credibility, or that of the magazine, if I were to talk about
> the "value" and merits, the pros and cons, of something that I have not
> even ridden?
> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because people
> know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On the flip side,
> this explains why others have such low regard for you and your opinions
> - you seem to take pride in your lack of knowledge.
> Perhaps if you actually read the magazine and my reviews, you would
> see that I have criticized the products of some of our sponsors. Nothing
> I have reviewed has been perfect, though several have been quite good.
> But perfect? No. And, I have reported those things which appeared to be
> shortcomings (in my opinion) in the magazine.
> Try knowledge and experience sometime, Lorenzo, instead of ignorance.
> Maybe then people will stop tuning you out.
>
>

Is there no limit to your prevarication about your financial
relationship with Bigha? If there were no sponsors for your magazine,
would there be any pay for you? Your income from bentrideronline.com
comes from your sponsors. Can you deny that? ******** your sponsors and
they pull their ads, no income for the magazine, no income for you.
That's the case with most product review magazines. That's no big deal,
but denying the self-evident facts is a big deal. You have as good as
admitted that the Bigha is overpriced, so why would you keep on
protesting over and over again when other people make that same simple
observation, if not for the fact that you derive income, however
indirectly, from Bigha?

Can anyone honestly say that $3000.00 is a good price for a 52 pound
comfort bike? Not a high performance bike, just a heavy slow CLWB bike
similar to a BikeE AT or the Cannondale Recumbent Bent II except being a
lot heavier and costing twice as much. This is probably a fine bike for
relatively slow recreational rides or fairly short commuting, but why
would anyone what to pay twice as much as they needed to for this type
of bike? The constant protesting against this obvious observation is not
based on rationality but on other motives closer to the wallet.

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"If you do not tell the truth about yourself you cannot tell it about
other people."
Virginia Woolf (1882-1941).
 
"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
> > No, I don't think anything about MENSA at all and I know next to nothing
> > about them. All I know and need to know is that I am a genius. You need
to
> > learn to live with this ultimate fact of life about me.
> >
>
> Wait a minute - didn't you say that "MENSA is for those who are not
> sure of their intelligence"? And now you say that you "know next to
> nothing about them"? And with that glorious example of double-speak
> still hanging in the air, you claim that you "know" that you are a
> "genius"? Based on what?

No Varney, I have HEARD of them, but I know next to nothing about them. Nor
do I want to know anything about them. Therein lies my genius. I know what
is worth while thinking about, and you do not have a clue. Varney = little
thoughts. Dolan = big thoughts. Got it?

> Oh, wait a minute, I get it - it's that "sui generis" thing again,
> the "big picture", or whatever explanation you're using to hide the fact
> that your latest claim, as usual, is based on ignorance and not facts.
> Seriously, if you think you qualify for Mensa, you might want to look
> into it. Lots of activities, lots of different people to talk to and
> argue with - and some of the most interesting women I have ever met have
> been Mensans.
> Of course, once you do join Mensa, you run the risk of being snubbed
> by the members of Intertel, not to mention the Triple Nine crowd.

Nope, I have no interest in Mensa. I never did and I never will. Accounting
for what interests people is a most fascinating study. For instance, there
appears to be a great many on this group who are interested in going fast on
their recumbents. Such a notion never even occurred to me. I got a recumbent
strictly for comfort. Do you think us comfort recumbent cyclists should have
our own newsgroup, I wonder? It would be such a pleasure never to have to
read ever again these idiotic posts about how fast these old guys are who
are teetering on the brink of the grave.

I believe I have criticized you in the past for editing too severely. Now
you are not editing enough. Try to get it right will you? The best advice I
can give you is to follow my example as I am a world class expert editor.
But Hells Bells! I am just great at anything under the sun that I put my
mind to.

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:AOqEc.2159$Oq2.1740@attbi_s52...
[...]
> Ed Dolan thinks he's a genius ...

Genius is as genius does. I am only comparing myself to idiots like you
Mark. But you and yours constitute the majority on this newsgroup. But in
any event, it is better to be a genius than an ostrich . This kill filer
Mark Leuck would not even have a notion of what I am saying if Varney were
not quoting me in full. How smart is that?

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > "Larry Varney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > [...]
> >
> >> My job is always on the line, Lorenzo, and I keep it because people
> >>know I'm not handing them opinions based on ignorance. On the flip side,
> >>this explains why others have such low regard for you and your opinions
> >>- you seem to take pride in your lack of knowledge.
> >
> >
> > Trust me on this Varney - others on this newsgroup do NOT have a low
regard
> > for Mr. Lorenzo T. Love, quite the contrary. He is a bull dog with his
> > arguments and we could all learn something by following his reasoning
and
> > logic. I will admit I get easily side tracked and before you know it I
can
> > be off on another subject without half trying. But not Lorenzo. He stays
on
> > track and meets the crux of an objection. I find this very admirable and
I
> > wish I could do it.
> >
> > I do agree 100 % with Lorenzo in what he has to say about the Bigha and
his
> > reasons for saying it. But you have made your points rather well too. I
> > would score it a draw myself.
> >
>
> Yes, I agree - we can "all learn something by following his reasoning
> and logic". As in, faulty reasoning and illogic, topped off with a swirl
> of intolerance and a few scoops of ignorance.
> Low regard? Yes. And people avoid him like they would a loud,
> obnoxious drunk on the street corner, waving a whiskey bottle, shouting
> at unseen enemies, with vomit and spittle flying from his mouth.

You have just described yourself! For God's sake - look in the mirror and
get an idea of how you must appear to others. You are a crazy old fool for
sure and you do not have a brain in your head because you cannot make
discriminations about what is important and what is not important. Not about
yourself and certainly not about anyone else.

Time to retire, Varney, and go into seclusion before someone has you
committed. Again, keep thinking along these lines - I am a crazy old fool!
You look it and you act it. And now we all know it. So what is the point of
you carrying on so?

--
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
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