Cooler Helmet?



Samatha wrote:
> Hi Werehatrack!
>
> I'm taking it back to the bike shop tomorrow night - I'll let them work
> with me, since I might be adjusting it wrong. I thought it worked more
> like a hardhat than a strap-down mechanism. The foam pads that came
> with it fell out immediately upon use, so I've been riding with it
> splat 'gainst my head. I've got a lot of hair, true, and even
> French-braided, it's hot - but not as bad as a sun-burnt scalp. If need
> be, I'll locate more foam and superglue some strips in to get some air
> flow.

I would recommend that you read on Giro's web site about helmet fit and
adjustment. A lot of the salespeople at shops give bad advice in this
respect. Temper what Giro says with the advise in this thread, then you
can critically evaluate the advise at the shop.

I had a sales guy at a very large LBS tell me that modern helmets are
supposed to be strapped looser than they used to be, and that the head
clamps were to do all the work keeping the lid on. I shared an email
with the store manager and he's going to make sure everyone is
reeducated on helmet fit.

> Although I also like the idea of getting some artificially cooler head
> wraps, too.

I haven't tried one of these yet, but I have friends who love them here
in Austin and down in Houston.

-Mike
 
Mike Reed wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
>>Have you actually heard someone bragging about spending $189 for a
>>helmet?
>
>
> If anyone mentions that they spent a lot of money on something, they
> are bragging.
>
> "Nice helmet."
>
> "Thanks, it better be. Damn thing cost me $189." <====BRAGGING
>

In my 20 years of wearing helmets and riding with those who wear helmets
I have NEVER witnessed that conversation. Not once.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons
 
G.T. wrote:
> Mike Reed wrote:
>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>
>>> Have you actually heard someone bragging about spending $189 for a
>>> helmet?

>> If anyone mentions that they spent a lot of money on something, they
>> are bragging.
>>
>> "Nice helmet."
>>
>> "Thanks, it better be. Damn thing cost me $189." <====BRAGGING

> In my 20 years of wearing helmets and riding with those who wear
> helmets I have NEVER witnessed that conversation. Not once.

More common in my (11-year) experience is bragging about a DEAL one got.
For example, Miles got an expensive ($150+) helmet for, like, $40 due to his
membership in SDBC. It was blingy, that's for sure.

(And yes, I think it was the very same helmet that "saved his friggin' life"
when he took that infamous tumble off the cliff -- immortalized in Bill
Porter's video, and As Seen On TV!).

I have a bunch of helmets, but my favorite is still the Bell I got for ~$59
a few years ago. Light; fits right; looks decent...

Bill "would rather crack the bucket" S.
 
In article
<[email protected]>,
"Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> jtaylor wrote:
> > b) the post referenced is not an answer to the question - YOU have not
> > replied whether YOU have ever heard someone say that about their helmet.
>
> This double-ended trolling is quite entertaining. Some are trolling by
> trying to get somebody to answer a question whose answer has no value,
> and some are trolling by refusing to answer said question.

If a party is trolling by asking a question whose answer
has no value, then you must allow for a refusal to answer
as recognition of this aspect of the question. Yes?

--
Michael Press
 
Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> "Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> jtaylor wrote:
>>> b) the post referenced is not an answer to the question - YOU have
>>> not replied whether YOU have ever heard someone say that about
>>> their helmet.
>>
>> This double-ended trolling is quite entertaining. Some are trolling
>> by trying to get somebody to answer a question whose answer has no
>> value, and some are trolling by refusing to answer said question.
>
> If a party is trolling by asking a question whose answer
> has no value, then you must allow for a refusal to answer
> as recognition of this aspect of the question. Yes?

But only if the non-answerer remains otherwise un-trolled as well. Yes?
 
Hey, wait just a second, are you guys trolling?

Sorni wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>,
> > "Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> jtaylor wrote:
> >>> b) the post referenced is not an answer to the question - YOU have
> >>> not replied whether YOU have ever heard someone say that about
> >>> their helmet.
> >>
> >> This double-ended trolling is quite entertaining. Some are trolling
> >> by trying to get somebody to answer a question whose answer has no
> >> value, and some are trolling by refusing to answer said question.
> >
> > If a party is trolling by asking a question whose answer
> > has no value, then you must allow for a refusal to answer
> > as recognition of this aspect of the question. Yes?
>
> But only if the non-answerer remains otherwise un-trolled as well. Yes?
 
G.T. wrote:
> Mike Reed wrote:
> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >
> >>Have you actually heard someone bragging about spending $189 for a
> >>helmet?
> >
> >
> > If anyone mentions that they spent a lot of money on something, they
> > are bragging.
> >
> > "Nice helmet."
> >
> > "Thanks, it better be. Damn thing cost me $189." <====BRAGGING
> >
>
> In my 20 years of wearing helmets and riding with those who wear helmets
> I have NEVER witnessed that conversation. Not once.

With only 15 years under my lid, you have me outdone on experience.
Still, I've witnessed similar conversations a handful of times -- one
was the day before yesterday.

-Mike
 
I appreciate the concern. I know I do have more trouble cooling than
the Average Joe, so that's why I'm taking the trouble to ask for ideas.
Y'all have given me some really good pointers, too. Not sure I'm really
putting out as much effort as the professionals, but it's a lot for
-me- right now.

I'm going to make sure I'm wearing the silly helmet right, using a wet
bandana, and so on. Given that I'm cautious about over-extending
myself, particulary overheating-wise, I think wearing a helmet is
better than not. While it might only save me once in a long while, the
consequence of a head injury is generally very severe. If I keep having
marked difficulties with overheating, I'll cut my hair a lot shorter
before I'll toss the helmet. I'm riding in one very high-traffic road.
It has bike lanes, but the cars actually are CLOSER with the bike lane
than they *usually* buzz by without. But I still almost got
clothes-lined by someone's guidebar on a boat trailer on my first ride
of the commute distance. I am also going to add another bottle and
rack, too.

I'll get there. It'll just take some patience and a bit slower pace.

Sam
 
Mike Reed wrote:
> Hey, wait just a second, are you guys trolling?

We're not going to answer that question. (See below.)
>
> Sorni wrote:
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <[email protected]>,
>>> "Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jtaylor wrote:
>>>>> b) the post referenced is not an answer to the question - YOU have
>>>>> not replied whether YOU have ever heard someone say that about
>>>>> their helmet.
>>>>
>>>> This double-ended trolling is quite entertaining. Some are trolling
>>>> by trying to get somebody to answer a question whose answer has no
>>>> value, and some are trolling by refusing to answer said question.
>>>
>>> If a party is trolling by asking a question whose answer
>>> has no value, then you must allow for a refusal to answer
>>> as recognition of this aspect of the question. Yes?
>>
>> But only if the non-answerer remains otherwise un-trolled as well.
>> Yes?

That's the answer to that question. (See above.)
 
Myself as well. This is a conversation that comes up in various forms.
Just the other day someone was complaining about ceramic bearing set prices
and how little the improvement for the cost was. Yet they still had a set.

I think it depends on one's cylcing crowd. I ride with a group that's
largely composed of Cat 3-4-5 and masters riders. The type that aren't
struggling to survive and race, but have decided to race as a hobby.

For most of my cycling stuff I'm on the other end; I get strange looks when
someone asks about a new helmet and I reply that I got it for $50 ;-]

-pete

"Mike Reed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> G.T. wrote:
>> Mike Reed wrote:
>> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> >
>> >>Have you actually heard someone bragging about spending $189 for a
>> >>helmet?
>> >
>> >
>> > If anyone mentions that they spent a lot of money on something, they
>> > are bragging.
>> >
>> > "Nice helmet."
>> >
>> > "Thanks, it better be. Damn thing cost me $189." <====BRAGGING
>> >
>>
>> In my 20 years of wearing helmets and riding with those who wear helmets
>> I have NEVER witnessed that conversation. Not once.
>
> With only 15 years under my lid, you have me outdone on experience.
> Still, I've witnessed similar conversations a handful of times -- one
> was the day before yesterday.
>
> -Mike
>
 
Mike Reed wrote:
>
> That's a good point, but let's not forget that forward motion is only
> one component of melon velocity in a bike crash. If you collapsed from
> a standstill, you could still sustain a critical injury just from the
> acceleration of gravity.

Need I observe that such a thing could happen any time you are running?
Walking? Standing around?

Chalo
 
Chalo wrote:
> Mike Reed wrote:
>>
>> That's a good point, but let's not forget that forward motion is only
>> one component of melon velocity in a bike crash. If you collapsed
>> from a standstill, you could still sustain a critical injury just
>> from the acceleration of gravity.

> Need I observe that such a thing could happen any time you are
> running? Walking? Standing around?

Most people are at least a little more likely to lose their balance on a
bike (whether through clumsiness, carelessness or just plain bad luck with
an obstacle or blowout) than when perched upon two big slabs of feet meat.

Percentages.

BS
 
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:44:38 GMT, "Sorni"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Chalo wrote:
>> Mike Reed wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a good point, but let's not forget that forward motion is only
>>> one component of melon velocity in a bike crash. If you collapsed
>>> from a standstill, you could still sustain a critical injury just
>>> from the acceleration of gravity.
>
>> Need I observe that such a thing could happen any time you are
>> running? Walking? Standing around?
>
>Most people are at least a little more likely to lose their balance on a
>bike (whether through clumsiness, carelessness or just plain bad luck with
>an obstacle or blowout) than when perched upon two big slabs of feet meat.
>
>Percentages.
>
>BS

Dear Bill,

Actually, deaths from pedestrian falls are far more common
than bicycle deaths, partly because of the much larger
number of pedestrians, partly because of the greater amount
of time that we spend on our hind legs instead of two
wheels, and partly because far more elderly folk prone to
dying from falling accidents are walkers instead of
bicyclists.

Browse down in the link below to the "TYPES OF ACCIDENTAL
DEATHS" for USA 2002, and you'll find that #1 was motor
vehicle accidents at 44.3%, #2 was falls at 17.8%, and down
at #7 was other land transport at 1.5%, presumably including
bicycles as well as horses, skateboards, and rickshaws.

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html

Chee--well, that's not quite appropriate, is it?

Carl Fogel
 
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:41:51 GMT, "Sorni"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>G.T. wrote:
>> Mike Reed wrote:
>>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you actually heard someone bragging about spending $189 for a
>>>> helmet?
>
>>> If anyone mentions that they spent a lot of money on something, they
>>> are bragging.
>>>
>>> "Nice helmet."
>>>
>>> "Thanks, it better be. Damn thing cost me $189." <====BRAGGING
>
>> In my 20 years of wearing helmets and riding with those who wear
>> helmets I have NEVER witnessed that conversation. Not once.
>
>More common in my (11-year) experience is bragging about a DEAL one got.

I've heard that kind of thing about bike stuff. Or evasion about high
prices paid, with the person being embarrassed.

JT

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[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:44:38 GMT, "Sorni"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Chalo wrote:
>>> Mike Reed wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's a good point, but let's not forget that forward motion is
>>>> only one component of melon velocity in a bike crash. If you
>>>> collapsed from a standstill, you could still sustain a critical
>>>> injury just from the acceleration of gravity.
>>
>>> Need I observe that such a thing could happen any time you are
>>> running? Walking? Standing around?
>>
>> Most people are at least a little more likely to lose their balance
>> on a bike (whether through clumsiness, carelessness or just plain
>> bad luck with an obstacle or blowout) than when perched upon two big
>> slabs of feet meat.
>>
>> Percentages.
>>
>> BS
>
> Dear Bill,
>
> Actually, deaths from pedestrian falls are far more common
> than bicycle deaths, partly because of the much larger
> number of pedestrians, partly because of the greater amount
> of time that we spend on our hind legs instead of two
> wheels, and partly because far more elderly folk prone to
> dying from falling accidents are walkers instead of
> bicyclists.
>
> Browse down in the link below to the "TYPES OF ACCIDENTAL
> DEATHS" for USA 2002, and you'll find that #1 was motor
> vehicle accidents at 44.3%, #2 was falls at 17.8%, and down
> at #7 was other land transport at 1.5%, presumably including
> bicycles as well as horses, skateboards, and rickshaws.
>
> http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html
>
> Chee--well, that's not quite appropriate, is it?
>
> Carl Fogel

Dear Carl,

Good to know you haven't changed! :)

I still maintain that MY chances of falling in a manner that would cause me
to hit my head on a hard and quite possibly sharp object are much greater
when I'm suspended 4+ feet off the ground on a fast-moving thin-framed
skinny-tired vehicle (controlled by...ME!) than when I'm JWA or going down
stairs or driving or whatever. Therefore, I wear a helmet when engaging in
the former activity and don't when I'm not.

YMMVWV.

Bill S.
 
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:24:56 GMT, "Sorni"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:44:38 GMT, "Sorni"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Chalo wrote:
>>>> Mike Reed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a good point, but let's not forget that forward motion is
>>>>> only one component of melon velocity in a bike crash. If you
>>>>> collapsed from a standstill, you could still sustain a critical
>>>>> injury just from the acceleration of gravity.
>>>
>>>> Need I observe that such a thing could happen any time you are
>>>> running? Walking? Standing around?
>>>
>>> Most people are at least a little more likely to lose their balance
>>> on a bike (whether through clumsiness, carelessness or just plain
>>> bad luck with an obstacle or blowout) than when perched upon two big
>>> slabs of feet meat.
>>>
>>> Percentages.
>>>
>>> BS
>>
>> Dear Bill,
>>
>> Actually, deaths from pedestrian falls are far more common
>> than bicycle deaths, partly because of the much larger
>> number of pedestrians, partly because of the greater amount
>> of time that we spend on our hind legs instead of two
>> wheels, and partly because far more elderly folk prone to
>> dying from falling accidents are walkers instead of
>> bicyclists.
>>
>> Browse down in the link below to the "TYPES OF ACCIDENTAL
>> DEATHS" for USA 2002, and you'll find that #1 was motor
>> vehicle accidents at 44.3%, #2 was falls at 17.8%, and down
>> at #7 was other land transport at 1.5%, presumably including
>> bicycles as well as horses, skateboards, and rickshaws.
>>
>> http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html
>>
>> Chee--well, that's not quite appropriate, is it?
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>Dear Carl,
>
>Good to know you haven't changed! :)
>
>I still maintain that MY chances of falling in a manner that would cause me
>to hit my head on a hard and quite possibly sharp object are much greater
>when I'm suspended 4+ feet off the ground on a fast-moving thin-framed
>skinny-tired vehicle (controlled by...ME!) than when I'm JWA or going down
>stairs or driving or whatever. Therefore, I wear a helmet when engaging in
>the former activity and don't when I'm not.
>
>YMMVWV.
>
>Bill S.

Dear Bill,

Whether we're walking or riding a traditional diamond frame
bicycle, our heads are "suspended" at roughly the same
height.

In fact, if we're riding with our hands on the drops, our
heads are probably lower.

We walk and drive without helmets because it never occurs to
us to do otherwise, not because of any actual reasoning
concerning the extremely small chances of a serious
accident.

The kind of reasoning that most of us indulge in lies along
the lines of describing a bicycle as a "thin-framed"
vehicle, as if a touring bicycle's lighter frame makes it
more dangerous than a full-figured Fury Roadmaster.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel
 
On 25 Apr 2006 05:13:35 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>>
>> Well, could you answer the question, for the rest of us?
>>
>
>Someone else has already done so:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/pgjnv
>
>
>Have you never experienced the scenario that Mike Reed outlines in his
>post?

The question was whether or not YOU had such a conversation, or if you
were exaggerating, or just plain making it up.

So, I'm still waiting for your answer. Your personal experience, I
don't have much interest in Mike's.

And as for me, the only talks of cost are when one of us got a good
deal.
Other than a top of the line bike, no one I know would be impressing
anyone by claiming to have bought a $189[whateverit was] helmet.


Life is Good!
Jeff
 
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