Cooler Helmet?

[Rik O'Shea]

I had a Specialized and used to get a bit of a hot head when racing. I
changed it for the top of the range Giro Atmos - expensive but lot of
vents, good air flow, very cool.

 

[[email protected]]

experiment with louvered aluminum foil/mylar held off the helmet
surface.
try sitting under cardboard with foil on the cardboard's sunside

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

<snipped>

-on consumer suckerism-
>
> But I'm a sucker.
>

You just can't resist, can you?

I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?

Or would you like to have another go? You decide.

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Helmets have become a fashion statement: "What does Lance (etc.)
>ride?". And a conspicuous consumption issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
>did yours cost?".

You are so obsessed with money and marketing it's remarkable.

Have you honestly heard people comparing helmet prices in a way that
shows off how much they spent? Honestly? If you have, you're hanging
around with the wrong people.


>IMO, spending close to $200 for a styrofoam and thin plastic shell
>bucket that costs ~$10-15 (at most!) to manufacture and package is the
>height of consumer suckerism.

I've got a couple helmets that retail for over $100 and one that
retails for $40. The former is way way better than the latter in
terms of adjustablilty and ventilation. The cheap one doesn't fit so
well, or at least can't as easily be changed to deal with hats, etc.
It is warmer, and *perhaps* sturdier (it's got more material, so I'm
just guessing on the sturdiness). Other than that, it's worse.

But I'm a sucker.

JT

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[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 15:13:32 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>experiment with louvered aluminum foil/mylar held off the helmet
>surface.
>try sitting under cardboard with foil on the cardboard's sunside

What about lettuce?

JT


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[Zilla]

"Samatha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thank you; I'll go check those brands out to see if I can find
> something better. As for cost, well, I only have one head, and it's not
> replaceable, so spending some cash to make it safer is okay by me. If I
> can be safer and not drop over from heat exhaustion, so much the
> better.
>
> Samatha
>

Generally, more expensive helmets are not necessarily
"safer" than less expensive ones. ALL helmets have to
meet a safety standard regardless of price. You pay for
looks and comfort as you spend more as others have
pointed out.

--
- Zilla
Cary, NC USA
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[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 15:20:23 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
><snipped>
>
>-on consumer suckerism-
>>
>> But I'm a sucker.
>>
>
>You just can't resist, can you?
>
>I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?

I don't understand what you mean.

JT

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[Sorni]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> -on consumer suckerism-
>>
>> But I'm a sucker.
>>
>
> You just can't resist, can you?
>
> I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
>
> Or would you like to have another go? You decide.

Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per [email protected]:
>experiment with louvered aluminum foil/mylar held off the helmet
>surface.
>try sitting under cardboard with foil on the cardboard's sunside

Kind of like those vehicles in very hot climates where they have an outer roof
standing off the real roof by an inch or two...
--
PeteCresswell

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> And a conspicuous consumption
> issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
> did yours cost?".

Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?

JT

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[Sorni]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 15:13:32 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>> experiment with louvered aluminum foil/mylar held off the helmet
>> surface.
>> try sitting under cardboard with foil on the cardboard's sunside

> What about lettuce?

Five bucks, max.

 

[Jeff Starr]

On 24 Apr 2006 10:39:54 -0700, "Samatha" <[email protected]> wrote:

>It's a Giro Eclipse cheapie model (that was still $38 not well spent);
>I went home and checked at lunch after posting up above that I thought
>it was this model.
>
>Samatha

Are you sure that it is the Eclipse model? Does it say it on the
helmet, or just the box?

The new Eclipse retails for, I believe $75, and when it was the second
best below the Pneumo, it retailed for $100.

Now in road models the Giro Atmos is the top of the line, with the
Pneumo second.

Both the Atmos and Pneumo have some sort of cage construction that
does give them better protection in spite of their lightness and many
vents.

Either you got a super deal at $38, or you have adifferent, basic
model. We don't have quite the temps you do, but on the hottest days
that I have ridden, my helmet was not an issue.

I own three Giro helmets a Pneumo, an Eclipse, and a Stelvio. I bought
the Stelvio first, now that was a lower priced model. I went up to the
Eclipse, bought on sale, to lower wind noise, and better comfort. I
bought the Pneumo about a year and a half ago, because I wanted a
tighter fit. When I bought my Eclipse, it was when they still only had
two sizes S/M or L. The Pneumo comes in a least three sizes. I now
use the Eclipse when I need to wear any kind of ear or head covering.


Life is Good!
Jeff

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > And a conspicuous consumption
> > issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
> > did yours cost?".
>
> Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
> bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?
>
>

Are you really this numb/lame? Or do you just pretend?

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 15:20:23 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >
> ><snipped>
> >
> >-on consumer suckerism-
> >>
> >> But I'm a sucker.
> >>
> >
> >You just can't resist, can you?
> >
> >I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
>
> I don't understand what you mean.
>
>

Given your two digit IQ, I'm not surprised.

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

Sorni wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> > -on consumer suckerism-
> >>
> >> But I'm a sucker.
> >>
> >
> > You just can't resist, can you?
> >
> > I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
> >
> > Or would you like to have another go? You decide.
>
> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"


Oh, really? By saying that I am "obsessed", "deluded", "a liar",
"deceptive", etc., whenever I express an opinion contrary to his?

Tell ya what, if you treat me with the same resprct Tomlinson does,
I'll do the same to you, Sorni.

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 17:36:35 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > And a conspicuous consumption
>> > issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
>> > did yours cost?".
>>
>> Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
>> bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?
>>
>>
>
>Are you really this numb/lame? Or do you just pretend?

I asked a simple question. I've never seen/heard someone acting the
way you describe, and given your seeming obsession with people
spending too much money and with things that are heavily marketed,
it's seems to me to be likely that you are exagerating or making the
story up.

But rather than say that earlier, I just asked about it, to give you a
chance to say something like "Well, I was sort of exagerrating to
demonstrate a point." Or maybe what you heard/describe actually
happened. If so, it's wild stuff. But I don't know if it's true or
something you're just making up, so that's why I asked about it.

So again, have you really heard someone bragging about their helmet
costing a lot, as if that's a good thing?

It's a simple question. If the answer is yes, I'd love to hear more
about who/where, but for now I'd just like an answer to the question.

JT

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[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 17:36:35 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > And a conspicuous consumption
> >> > issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
> >> > did yours cost?".
> >>
> >> Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
> >> bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Are you really this numb/lame? Or do you just pretend?
>
> I asked a simple question.
>

No, I think you are playing a kind of Usenet stalking game. You do this
whenever I espress an opinion you oppose. Kinda like the Beam/Brandt
thing. Fair warning: two can play and I am better at that kind of thing
than are you.

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 17:38:14 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On 24 Apr 2006 15:20:23 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> >
>> ><snipped>
>> >
>> >-on consumer suckerism-
>> >>
>> >> But I'm a sucker.
>> >
>> >You just can't resist, can you?
>> >
>> >I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
>>
>> I don't understand what you mean.
>
>Given your two digit IQ, I'm not surprised.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. What are you asking me to do when you say
"can't you reciprocate? And what is "my stuff"?

JT


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[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 17:36:35 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > And a conspicuous consumption
> >> > issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
> >> > did yours cost?".
> >>
> >> Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
> >> bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Are you really this numb/lame? Or do you just pretend?
>
> I think I've been very straightforward in this thread -- there is no
> pretending on my part. And I don't think what I've said is lame. I've
> just asked you some questions.
>

Sure, right after the opening comments about being obsessed, etc. You
are the worst kind of coward: making a comment/accusation and then
failing to stand behind it.

IOW, you are full of ****.

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 17:36:35 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > And a conspicuous consumption
>> > issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
>> > did yours cost?".
>>
>> Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
>> bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?
>>
>>
>
>Are you really this numb/lame? Or do you just pretend?

I think I've been very straightforward in this thread -- there is no
pretending on my part. And I don't think what I've said is lame. I've
just asked you some questions.

JT


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