Cooler Helmet?

[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 19:02:21 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >
> ><snipped>
> >
> >-simple is......-
> >
> >>
> >> You may think I'm stupid,
> >
> >How did you know.....
> >>
> >> but if I don't "get it" there are likely at
> >> least a few other readers who are similarly confused or unbelieving
> >> about what you wrote. So I think you should back up and/or explain
> >> your comments.
>
> >Sure, Tomlinson, just as soon as you back up/prove your allegations of
> >"deceptive", "liar" , etc., re: my preference for bar end shifters. No
> >changing of terms permitted: prove or withdraw.
>
> Wow, I ask you a question at least tangentially related to this thread
> (if you have ever really heard someone bragging about spending a lot
> for a helmet) and you think that not answering that is some sort of
> tactic or bargaining chip in an ongoing war/negotiation between us.
> Odd.
>

Odd??? Not a bit. Your prior behavior/tactics define you, at least in
this forum. If you want fair treatment, give fair treatment. Continue
to be an ass and I will treat you as such.

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

Sorni wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > Sorni wrote:
> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <snipped>
> >>>
> >>> -on consumer suckerism-
> >>>>
> >>>> But I'm a sucker.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> You just can't resist, can you?
> >>>
> >>> I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
> >>>
> >>> Or would you like to have another go? You decide.
>
> >> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"
>
> > Oh, really? By saying that I am "obsessed", "deluded", "a liar",
> > "deceptive", etc., whenever I express an opinion contrary to his?
>
> Wow, you read a LOT in to things. (Yes, he said you seem to be obsessed
> with money re. bike fashion trends, but he inquired about YOUR opinion, not
> vice versa; and none of those other words were raised AFAIR.)
>
> > Tell ya what, if you treat me with the same resprct Tomlinson does,
> > I'll do the same to you, Sorni.
>
> Man, mix in some decaf. Really.
>
>

There's a history here; perhaps a little knowledge of that would
benefit you.

 

[Sorni]

Michael Press wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Sorni" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>> -on consumer suckerism-
>>>>
>>>> But I'm a sucker.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You just can't resist, can you?
>>>
>>> I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
>>>
>>> Or would you like to have another go? You decide.
>>
>> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"
>
> You grasped the wrong end of the stick. OB posted a reply
> to the OP. JT attacked OB. Game on. Try to keep keep up.

I guess we have different definitions of "attack". I'm aware of the
contentious history between these two, but I didn't think JT's reply /in
this thread at least/ was abusive or even personal (save for the word
obsessed, maybe?).

If JT goes around humping every single post of OB, then that's one thing.
If he comments about an isolated post here and there and OB goes off the
deep end almost every single time, then perhaps that's another.

Whatever.

Bill "have my own experience with this **** so should have stayed out of
this one" S.

 

[Sorni]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> Sorni wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> Sorni wrote:
>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>> -on consumer suckerism-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I'm a sucker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You just can't resist, can you?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or would you like to have another go? You decide.
>>
>>>> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you
>>>> reciprocate?"
>>
>>> Oh, really? By saying that I am "obsessed", "deluded", "a liar",
>>> "deceptive", etc., whenever I express an opinion contrary to his?
>>
>> Wow, you read a LOT in to things. (Yes, he said you seem to be
>> obsessed with money re. bike fashion trends, but he inquired about
>> YOUR opinion, not vice versa; and none of those other words were
>> raised AFAIR.)
>>
>>> Tell ya what, if you treat me with the same resprct Tomlinson does,
>>> I'll do the same to you, Sorni.
>>
>> Man, mix in some decaf. Really.
>>
>>
>
> There's a history here; perhaps a little knowledge of that would
> benefit you.

I know. Forget I said anything.

 

[Mark H.]

It also depends on your stance on the bike. If you're riding in an upright
position, even if there are a lot of vents on the helmet, you won't get as a
great a cooling effect as if you are tilting your head slightly forward,
such as when you're in the drops on a road bike. If this is the case, you
may want to look for a helmet that has large vents in the very front of the
helmet, low on the brow. Some helmets have what could be termed a "scoop"
right at the front browline. Some Specialized helmets have this feature; go
to its website and have a look-see. And a solid color white, or light
silver, does make a difference over a darker color in reflecting the sun.

Best wishes.

"Samatha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It's a Giro Eclipse cheapie model (that was still $38 not well spent);
> I went home and checked at lunch after posting up above that I thought
> it was this model.
>
> Samatha
>

 

[Jeff Starr]

On 24 Apr 2006 17:36:35 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > And a conspicuous consumption
>> > issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
>> > did yours cost?".
>>
>> Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
>> bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?
>>
>>
>
>Are you really this numb/lame? Or do you just pretend?

Well, could you answer the question, for the rest of us?

Jeff

 

[Mike Reed]

Samatha wrote:
> I think what I have now is a Giro Eclipse. I haven't been really happy
> with it; it's only three weeks old and the rear adjustment wheel slips
> out instead of holding tight enough to keep the helmet from sliding
> back too far. I am considering taking it back to the bike shop to see
> if they'd do a swap for something better with me.

You should loosen the head clamp at the back so it has no effect, then
adjust the straps so that the helmet stops sliding back too far. Once
the straps are properly adjusted, you can then tighten the head clamp
to your comfort. The head clamp is just for comfort and offers minimal
security in a crash.

The job of keeping the lid on your head in a crash belongs to the
straps. When properly adjusted, you should be unable to roll the helmet
off your head to the front, back, or sides. When doing this test, pull
hard. Think about how hard the road will pull on your helmet when you
crash.

The head clamps do almost nothing in this test.

Oh, yeah, and larger vents help, but they let in the sun too. Remember
that shade reduces heat too. I also live in Texas, and the best thing
you can do is get used to the heat. You're going to be hot, and in a
couple of months, you're going to be even hotter. I just get out and
ride in it.

-Mike

 

[Mike Reed]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> Have you actually heard someone bragging about spending $189 for a
> helmet?

If anyone mentions that they spent a lot of money on something, they
are bragging.

"Nice helmet."

"Thanks, it better be. Damn thing cost me $189." <====BRAGGING

There's no classy way to bring up the cost of something unless you're
asked.

> I'm asking because it seems, to me, very unlikely to have happened. If
> it did happen, I'd love to know the circumstances of it.

It's happened to me about short, helmets, socks, all sorts of stuff
over my 15 years in this sport.

-Mike

 

[Mike Reed]

Specificallly, I've found the Specialized helmets with the larger
horizontal vent across the forehead to be cooler than others I've had.
That vent seems to start off the air movement for me.

Here's an example (look right above the forehead):
http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCEqProduct.jsp?spid=14210


-Mike

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

Jeff Starr wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 17:36:35 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > And a conspicuous consumption
> >> > issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
> >> > did yours cost?".
> >>
> >> Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
> >> bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Are you really this numb/lame? Or do you just pretend?
>
> Well, could you answer the question, for the rest of us?
>

Someone else has already done so:

http://tinyurl.com/pgjnv


Have you never experienced the scenario that Mike Reed outlines in his
post?

 

[Earl Bollinger]

"Samatha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In South Texas, the sun is broiling my brain in the styrofoam and
> plastic helmet I bought despite the air vents through it. Can anyone
> recommend a different helmet that won't have me struggling with heat
> exhaustion quite so quickly?
>
What is your fitness level?
When I first started, the heat really cooked me good.
I am finding that the heat this year isn't affecting nearly as much as it
did a couple of years ago when even 85 degree temps would do me in.
So it may not be the helmit per se, but a good fitting helmit is a big plus
though.
Another subtle thing is helmit color, darker colors aren't good, neither is
wearing darker riding clothes either.
I wear a wet bandana around my neck when it is up near or over 100 degrees
too. that helps a lot.
Some people with really long hair have problems as all that hair can keep a
lot of heat in too.

 

[Mike Reed]

Earl Bollinger wrote:

> Another subtle thing is helmit color, darker colors aren't good, neither is
> wearing darker riding clothes either.

I've never seen any data, but I would think that the inch of styrofoam
between your mellon and a dark helmet shell would insulate really well
from any heat transfer due to dark colors.

All helmets seem to have dark styrofoam, which sees the sun on the
sides, and also shouldn't appreciably effect heat inside the helmet.

-Mike

 

[jtaylor]

"Ozark Bicycle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Jeff Starr wrote:
> > On 24 Apr 2006 17:36:35 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > >> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > And a conspicuous consumption
> > >> > issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
> > >> > did yours cost?".
> > >>
> > >> Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
> > >> bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Are you really this numb/lame? Or do you just pretend?
> >
> > Well, could you answer the question, for the rest of us?
> >
>
> Someone else has already done so:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/pgjnv
>


a) That post is dated 25 Apr 2006 04:25:59 -0700; you started this topic
much before that; so your use of "...already..." is misleading

b) the post referenced is not an answer to the question - YOU have not
replied whether YOU have ever heard someone say that about their helmet.

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

jtaylor wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Jeff Starr wrote:
> > > On 24 Apr 2006 17:36:35 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > > >> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > And a conspicuous consumption
> > > >> > issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
> > > >> > did yours cost?".
> > > >>
> > > >> Have you ever actually heard someone saying this about a helmet? Or
> > > >> bragging that their helmet cost a lot, as if that's a good thing?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Are you really this numb/lame? Or do you just pretend?
> > >
> > > Well, could you answer the question, for the rest of us?
> > >
> >
> > Someone else has already done so:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/pgjnv
> >
>
>
> a) That post is dated 25 Apr 2006 04:25:59 -0700; you started this topic
> much before that; so your use of "...already..." is misleading
>

Depends on how you look at it: by the time I saw Jeff's post/query,
Mike Reed had already made his post.


> b) the post referenced is not an answer to the question - YOU have not
> replied whether YOU have ever heard someone say that about their helmet.


Well I have seen people behave this way, and not just about helmets but
about many things both bicycle related and non-bicycle related. Are YOU
saying YOU haven't?

IMO, conspicuous consumption is the driving force behind the "logos
galore" phenomenon that is everywhere in today's marketplace. (How else
to explain, for example, the $50 Tommy Hilfiger T-shirt other than a
"$5 shirt with a $45 logo"?)

 

[Joel Bierling]

Mike Reed wrote:
> I've never seen any data, but I would think that the inch of styrofoam
> between your mellon and a dark helmet shell would insulate really well
> from any heat transfer due to dark colors.

Indeed. Not only that but since you should have good airflow while
biking, I suspect the helmets external temp should be very close to the
ambient air temp regardless of how much sun energy it was absorbing due
to its color.

-Joel

 

[Mike Reed]

jtaylor wrote:
> b) the post referenced is not an answer to the question - YOU have not
> replied whether YOU have ever heard someone say that about their helmet.

This double-ended trolling is quite entertaining. Some are trolling by
trying to get somebody to answer a question whose answer has no value,
and some are trolling by refusing to answer said question.

Just this Sunday I met a guy whose helmet came with a soft case. He
said "I guess I better use this case after all the money I spent on the
helmet." He was bragging. He didn't tell me how much he spent, but it
wouldn't take me 2 minutes to figure out which Giro helmets come with a
case and how much they cost (00:00:47 to find it's a Giro Atmos for
$130).

-Mike

 

[Werehatrack]

On 24 Apr 2006 08:27:11 -0700, "Samatha" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In South Texas, the sun is broiling my brain in the styrofoam and
>plastic helmet I bought despite the air vents through it. Can anyone
>recommend a different helmet that won't have me struggling with heat
>exhaustion quite so quickly?

Get one that's a larger size if possible, and put the least number of
foam pad strips inside as possible, as thick as will comfortably fit,
to hold it away from your head and provide some air flow space. I
find that a short haircut also helps. Lots of vent holes can also
mean sunburn on the scalp if the hair's too short (or missing); using
a wicking do-rag under the helmet may help with both the heat and the
UV in such circumstances.
--
Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
Some gardening required to reply via email.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

 

[Samatha]

My fitness level? Probably somewhere between 'My, that's pathetic!' and
'Wow, you're REALLY red.' Due to an unfortunate chemical accident, I've
got damage to my lungs the doctors call chemical asthma. My new doc put
me on Singulair, which actually has me able to breathe again.
Unfortunately, in the three years in between, my life has been pretty
much the Couch Potato standard.

I'm working to change this - and I'm sure there is adjusting to the
heat I need to do, and better conditioning will help. I just noticed
that I overheat much faster with the helmet than without it, so I was
trying to help myself as much as I can, so I can stick to the workouts
and commuting.

Sam

 

[Samatha]

Hi Werehatrack!

I'm taking it back to the bike shop tomorrow night - I'll let them work
with me, since I might be adjusting it wrong. I thought it worked more
like a hardhat than a strap-down mechanism. The foam pads that came
with it fell out immediately upon use, so I've been riding with it
splat 'gainst my head. I've got a lot of hair, true, and even
French-braided, it's hot - but not as bad as a sun-burnt scalp. If need
be, I'll locate more foam and superglue some strips in to get some air
flow.

Although I also like the idea of getting some artificially cooler head
wraps, too. Maybe I'm a wuss, but I know how dangerous overheating is -
especially when you're riding out by yourself.

Sam

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

Samatha wrote:

<snipped>

> I just noticed
> that I overheat much faster with the helmet than without it, so I was
> trying to help myself as much as I can, so I can stick to the workouts
> and commuting.
>
>

I rode for many years without a helmet before a clueless driver forced
me off the road in the spring of 1990. That incident led me to buy a
then-new-to-the-market microshell styrofoam helmet (a Bell Image). One
of my fears was that the helmet would be hot, but I found this not to
be the case. In fact, I am now of the opinion that when the sun is
beating down fiercely hot, the helmet actually keeps my head a bit
cooler, much as a hat might were one walking or hiking.( I think really
high humidity, which can be a real factor here in the Ozarks, changes
things a bit.) So, perhaps your current helmet is really poorly
ventilated (although I can't imagine it would be less ventilated than
that first Bell Image I owned), or perhaps it just fits really poorly,
rendering the vents useless(?).