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Mike Reed
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> Mike Reed wrote:
> > Michael Press wrote:
> > > ...they ride at 20+ miles / hour. ...
> >
> > That's a good point, but let's not forget that forward motion is only
> > one component of melon velocity in a bike crash. If you collapsed from
> > a standstill, you could still sustain a critical injury just from the
> > acceleration of gravity.
>
> In this context, "could" is pretty weak. Practically speaking, nobody
> ever does sustain a critical injury that way.
Neither of us have any data to refute or support my assertion. However,
practically speaking, what about a child falling off a nearly
stationary bike? How about an elderly person? How about somebody who
was riding slowly off-road, bumped their unhelmeted head off a tree
limb, and fell unconcious to the rocks he was riding over?
Just because it's rare doesn't mean it's not "practical."
> When toppling off a
> stationary bike, even if you somehow failed to break the fall with an
> outstretched arm, you'd absorb most of the energy with your elbow and
> shoulder.
That's where the injury comes in. Your elbow and shoulder compress
under the force of the fall, your neck bends, and your head accelerates
like the end of a whip into the ground.
> Practically speaking, you're as likely to suffer critical injury by
> tripping over a sidewalk crack when walking.
If you walk around holding a set of handlebars, I agree. You need a
little initial distraction for your hands to start things off. Your
feet are effectively taken out of the equation by your last step and
the crack, so it's pretty similar.
How about people falling from their feet on ice? That's more similar
because it's a less familiar recovery than trip-falling you've been
doing since you were 12 months old.
> > Moving forward fast will add additional significant impacts, but that
> > first one is pretty much just a function of falling over/sliding
> > out/going over the bars/etc.
>
> Although the risk of serious HI is always low when biking, I think it's
> significantly lower when not racing or training. The heat of
> competition (even just for fun) makes guys much more likely to touch
> wheels, or not notice the railroad track's flange slot, or run out of
> road on a fast turn, etc.
>
> Slow cycling is, by any rational standard, boringly safe - despite all
> the hype to the contrary.
Critical injuries in general are relatively unlikely for an individual,
so talking about how rarely some activity causes them is exercising the
obvious.
My whole point was not to forget the falling portion of a crash. The
forward portion is still important, but the fall itself is dangerous,
and that applies to anyone perched on one or two wheels, at any speed.
-Mike
> Mike Reed wrote:
> > Michael Press wrote:
> > > ...they ride at 20+ miles / hour. ...
> >
> > That's a good point, but let's not forget that forward motion is only
> > one component of melon velocity in a bike crash. If you collapsed from
> > a standstill, you could still sustain a critical injury just from the
> > acceleration of gravity.
>
> In this context, "could" is pretty weak. Practically speaking, nobody
> ever does sustain a critical injury that way.
Neither of us have any data to refute or support my assertion. However,
practically speaking, what about a child falling off a nearly
stationary bike? How about an elderly person? How about somebody who
was riding slowly off-road, bumped their unhelmeted head off a tree
limb, and fell unconcious to the rocks he was riding over?
Just because it's rare doesn't mean it's not "practical."
> When toppling off a
> stationary bike, even if you somehow failed to break the fall with an
> outstretched arm, you'd absorb most of the energy with your elbow and
> shoulder.
That's where the injury comes in. Your elbow and shoulder compress
under the force of the fall, your neck bends, and your head accelerates
like the end of a whip into the ground.
> Practically speaking, you're as likely to suffer critical injury by
> tripping over a sidewalk crack when walking.
If you walk around holding a set of handlebars, I agree. You need a
little initial distraction for your hands to start things off. Your
feet are effectively taken out of the equation by your last step and
the crack, so it's pretty similar.
How about people falling from their feet on ice? That's more similar
because it's a less familiar recovery than trip-falling you've been
doing since you were 12 months old.
> > Moving forward fast will add additional significant impacts, but that
> > first one is pretty much just a function of falling over/sliding
> > out/going over the bars/etc.
>
> Although the risk of serious HI is always low when biking, I think it's
> significantly lower when not racing or training. The heat of
> competition (even just for fun) makes guys much more likely to touch
> wheels, or not notice the railroad track's flange slot, or run out of
> road on a fast turn, etc.
>
> Slow cycling is, by any rational standard, boringly safe - despite all
> the hype to the contrary.
Critical injuries in general are relatively unlikely for an individual,
so talking about how rarely some activity causes them is exercising the
obvious.
My whole point was not to forget the falling portion of a crash. The
forward portion is still important, but the fall itself is dangerous,
and that applies to anyone perched on one or two wheels, at any speed.
-Mike