Cooler Helmet?

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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 15:13:32 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >experiment with louvered aluminum foil/mylar held off the helmet
> >surface.
> >try sitting under cardboard with foil on the cardboard's sunside
>
> What about lettuce?

It always wilts after you line your helmet with it, even if you
wrap it (the lettuce) in tinfoil. Then it's no good to put on your
sandwich at the lunch stop. OTOH, if you wrap the _helmet_
in tinfoil, it keeps away harmful Mind Control Rays.

 

[Michael Press]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Sorni" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> > -on consumer suckerism-
> >>
> >> But I'm a sucker.
> >>
> >
> > You just can't resist, can you?
> >
> > I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
> >
> > Or would you like to have another go? You decide.
>
> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"

You grasped the wrong end of the stick. OB posted a reply
to the OP. JT attacked OB. Game on. Try to keep keep up.

--
Michael Press

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 17:46:14 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Sorni wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> >
>> > <snipped>
>> >
>> > -on consumer suckerism-
>> >>
>> >> But I'm a sucker.
>> >>
>> >
>> > You just can't resist, can you?
>> >
>> > I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
>> >
>> > Or would you like to have another go? You decide.
>>
>> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"
>
>
>Oh, really? By saying that I am "obsessed", "deluded", "a liar",
>"deceptive", etc., whenever I express an opinion contrary to his?

In this thread, I only used the word obsessed and none of the others
you mention, and I think Sorni was only commenting on that.

That said, it's remarkable how you so often drag Lance Armstrong and
marketing into discussions of cycling products. It really seems like
an obsession. We're just talking about helmets. No one said "Buy
what Lance rides." Some people have said that more expensive helmets
tend to have more ventilation, and other people said that's not always
true. That's a normal discussion. Dragging Lance Armstrong in is odd.
You keep bringing heavy marketing up. It's strange.

JT

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[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 17:46:14 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Sorni wrote:
> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > <snipped>
> >> >
> >> > -on consumer suckerism-
> >> >>
> >> >> But I'm a sucker.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > You just can't resist, can you?
> >> >
> >> > I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
> >> >
> >> > Or would you like to have another go? You decide.
> >>
> >> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"
> >
> >
> >Oh, really? By saying that I am "obsessed", "deluded", "a liar",
> >"deceptive", etc., whenever I express an opinion contrary to his?
>

So you stipulate to using the other terms in the past, in other
threads, when I have espressed opinions with which you differ?

No snipping, Tomlinson....the Google record stands to prove the truth.

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 17:56:30 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> I think I've been very straightforward in this thread -- there is no
>> pretending on my part. And I don't think what I've said is lame. I've
>> just asked you some questions.
>>
>
>Sure, right after the opening comments about being obsessed, etc. You
>are the worst kind of coward: making a comment/accusation and then
>failing to stand behind it.

I do stand behind it -- I think you're obsessed with money and
marketing -- you bring them up very often. Sorry if i did not repeat
that in every post I make to you. But I do think it a lot and say it
often.

I hope that is straightforward enough.

>IOW, you are full of ****.

And I am serious about my question -- have you actually heard people
bragging about spending a lot of money on a helmet?

I am genuinely curious about that, and about the circumstances.

If it is true, can you at least say "yes I have"?

JT

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[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 17:56:30 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I think I've been very straightforward in this thread -- there is no
> >> pretending on my part. And I don't think what I've said is lame. I've
> >> just asked you some questions.
> >>
> >
> >Sure, right after the opening comments about being obsessed, etc. You
> >are the worst kind of coward: making a comment/accusation and then
> >failing to stand behind it.
>
> I do stand behind it -- I think you're obsessed with money and
> marketing -- you bring them up very often.

I have opinions, Tomlinson. I'm not asking you to agree. I do think
people should be free to express *opinions* in a public forum wihout
being personally attacked. Expressing your differing opinion is fine;
personal attacks are not.

If you continue, I promise to return very heavy fire. You decide.

 

[G.T.]

"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 24 Apr 2006 17:38:14 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >Given your two digit IQ, I'm not surprised.
>
> Perhaps I wasn't clear. What are you asking me to do when you say
> "can't you reciprocate? And what is "my stuff"?
>

And they're off and running!

Greg

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

G.T. wrote:
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 24 Apr 2006 17:38:14 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Given your two digit IQ, I'm not surprised.
> >
> > Perhaps I wasn't clear. What are you asking me to do when you say
> > "can't you reciprocate? And what is "my stuff"?
> >
>
> And they're off and running!
>


I'd rather not, Greg, but Tomlinson persists in his personal attacks
against those with differing opinions. Sad....

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 18:07:15 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> On 24 Apr 2006 17:46:14 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Sorni wrote:
> >> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >> >> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > <snipped>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -on consumer suckerism-
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But I'm a sucker.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You just can't resist, can you?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Or would you like to have another go? You decide.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Oh, really? By saying that I am "obsessed", "deluded", "a liar",
> >> >"deceptive", etc., whenever I express an opinion contrary to his?
> >>
> >
> >So you stipulate to using the other terms in the past, in other
> >threads, when I have espressed opinions with which you differ?
> >
> >No snipping, Tomlinson....the Google record stands to prove the truth.
>
> Right -- no need to repeat that stuff -- what I said is easily found.
>
> I was just pointing out what Sorni was commenting on here.
>

And, in an earlier age, you would have been "The Compleat Ass". ;-)

 

[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Helmets have become a fashion statement: "What does Lance (etc.)
> >ride?". And a conspicuous consumption issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
> >did yours cost?".
>
> Ozark, I am asking the following question as simply as I can:
>
> What were the circumstances in which you heard someone bragging about
> paying that much for a helmet?
>
>

You really don't get it, do ya?

Try, try, try.........

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 18:07:15 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On 24 Apr 2006 17:46:14 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Sorni wrote:
>> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>> >> > John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > <snipped>
>> >> >
>> >> > -on consumer suckerism-
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But I'm a sucker.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > You just can't resist, can you?
>> >> >
>> >> > I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
>> >> >
>> >> > Or would you like to have another go? You decide.
>> >>
>> >> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"
>> >
>> >
>> >Oh, really? By saying that I am "obsessed", "deluded", "a liar",
>> >"deceptive", etc., whenever I express an opinion contrary to his?
>>
>
>So you stipulate to using the other terms in the past, in other
>threads, when I have espressed opinions with which you differ?
>
>No snipping, Tomlinson....the Google record stands to prove the truth.

Right -- no need to repeat that stuff -- what I said is easily found.

I was just pointing out what Sorni was commenting on here.

JT

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[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Helmets have become a fashion statement: "What does Lance (etc.)
>ride?". And a conspicuous consumption issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
>did yours cost?".

Ozark, I am asking the following question as simply as I can:

What were the circumstances in which you heard someone bragging about
paying that much for a helmet?

JT

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[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2006 18:21:43 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>

The "Compleat Ass" comes to Versailles:
>
> >I'd rather not, Greg, but Tomlinson persists in his personal attacks
> >against those with differing opinions. Sad....
>
> Ozark, you may take this as a personal attack -- I guess that my
> daring to ask you a question about something that seems implausible
> offends you.
>
> But could you please just answer this question:
>
> Have you actually heard someone bragging about spending $189 for a
> helmet?
>
> I'm asking because it seems, to me, very unlikely to have happened. If
> it did happen, I'd love to know the circumstances of it.
>
> Or were you just exagerrating to make a point that helmets are
> overpriced? If so, I agree with the general point -- that's a lot of
> money for a bike helmet.
>

Geez, are you dense, oppositional, or just plain ol' fashioned 'toopid?

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 18:21:43 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>I'd rather not, Greg, but Tomlinson persists in his personal attacks
>against those with differing opinions. Sad....

Ozark, you may take this as a personal attack -- I guess that my
daring to ask you a question about something that seems implausible
offends you.

But could you please just answer this question:

Have you actually heard someone bragging about spending $189 for a
helmet?

I'm asking because it seems, to me, very unlikely to have happened. If
it did happen, I'd love to know the circumstances of it.

Or were you just exagerrating to make a point that helmets are
overpriced? If so, I agree with the general point -- that's a lot of
money for a bike helmet.

JT

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[Ozark Bicycle]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

<snipped>

-simple is......-

>
> You may think I'm stupid,

How did you know.....


> but if I don't "get it" there are likely at
> least a few other readers who are similarly confused or unbelieving
> about what you wrote. So I think you should back up and/or explain
> your comments.
>


Sure, Tomlinson, just as soon as you back up/prove your allegations of
"deceptive", "liar" , etc., re: my preference for bar end shifters. No
changing of terms permitted: prove or withdraw.

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 18:48:07 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On 24 Apr 2006 13:28:10 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Helmets have become a fashion statement: "What does Lance (etc.)
>> >ride?". And a conspicuous consumption issue: "Mine cost $189.99, what
>> >did yours cost?".
>>
>> Ozark, I am asking the following question as simply as I can:
>>
>> What were the circumstances in which you heard someone bragging about
>> paying that much for a helmet?
>>
>>
>
>You really don't get it, do ya?

I don't. That's why I asked.

Could you please just answer my question or explain what I'm missing
about the conspicuous consumption and helmets.

You may think I'm stupid, but if I don't "get it" there are likely at
least a few other readers who are similarly confused or unbelieving
about what you wrote. So I think you should back up and/or explain
your comments.

JT

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[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 18:54:47 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Geez, are you dense, oppositional, or just plain ol' fashioned 'toopid?

I'm not being oppostional about this. You described something that is
outside my experience and seemed exaggerated at best and possibly
untrue.

I don't know if you're exagerrating to make a point, or lying to make
a point, or telling the truth about bragging on spending so much on a
helmet (note -- I am not accusing you of lying here -- I'm saying that
I'm considering it. But I don't know. Maybve you actuall heard this).

And because I don't know, I've just asked you to confirm what you
said, and perhaps, if it's true, give some more information. If it is
true, it's very interesting and thought-provoking.

Other things I have said may have offended you, but this is actually a
question. I don't understand why you won't or can't answer it.

JT

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[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On 24 Apr 2006 19:02:21 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
><snipped>
>
>-simple is......-
>
>>
>> You may think I'm stupid,
>
>How did you know.....
>>
>> but if I don't "get it" there are likely at
>> least a few other readers who are similarly confused or unbelieving
>> about what you wrote. So I think you should back up and/or explain
>> your comments.

>Sure, Tomlinson, just as soon as you back up/prove your allegations of
>"deceptive", "liar" , etc., re: my preference for bar end shifters. No
>changing of terms permitted: prove or withdraw.

Wow, I ask you a question at least tangentially related to this thread
(if you have ever really heard someone bragging about spending a lot
for a helmet) and you think that not answering that is some sort of
tactic or bargaining chip in an ongoing war/negotiation between us.
Odd.

Well, I can hope that perhaps someone else will ask you about that at
some point, and you won't hold out from responding just to "screw" me
-- it's an interesting comment you made about that expensive helmet
and people probably want to know more, or at least know if it's true.

JT



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[Sorni]

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> Sorni wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>> -on consumer suckerism-
>>>>
>>>> But I'm a sucker.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You just can't resist, can you?
>>>
>>> I've stayed out of your stuff, can't you reciprocate?
>>>
>>> Or would you like to have another go? You decide.

>> Dude, he was totally respectful and civil. "Can't you reciprocate?"

> Oh, really? By saying that I am "obsessed", "deluded", "a liar",
> "deceptive", etc., whenever I express an opinion contrary to his?

Wow, you read a LOT in to things. (Yes, he said you seem to be obsessed
with money re. bike fashion trends, but he inquired about YOUR opinion, not
vice versa; and none of those other words were raised AFAIR.)

> Tell ya what, if you treat me with the same resprct Tomlinson does,
> I'll do the same to you, Sorni.

Man, mix in some decaf. Really.

Bill

 

[John Forrest Tomlinson]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:18:54 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<[email protected]> wrote:

> So I think you should back up and/or explain
> your comments.

I may have put that in a tone that sounds too accusatory. Sorry. So
how about this as a nicer attempt at the question:

You said something very interesting and to some readers, novel, about
people bragging about spending a lot of money for a helmet. Could you
perhaps tell us more about where/who said that?

JT

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