No Helmets Needed?



SMS wrote:
>
>
> Yes, it's clear that murders and car accidents have a lot in common. Now
> all we need is someone to pipe in with the number of gardening
> accidents. If this happens please follow-up on that post so I don't miss it.


Apparently the concept of comparative risk is _way_ beyond you, Steven!

- Frank Krygowski
 
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then move on to chain lube.
 
"Stephen Harding" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> It is time to kill this thread or before you know it Guy Chapman of the
>> UK will be offering us all kinds of idiotic studies replete with data and
>> more statistics than you can shake a finger at proving that helmets are
>> strictly for poor benighted souls like Ed Dolan.

>
> "Idiotic studies".
>
> Would those be ones that don't reinforce personal opinion?


Yes, any study or anyone who does not agree with me 100% is ipso facto
idiotic. I am really very easy to get along with. All you ever have to do is
just agree with me about everything. It will also help if you will
acknowledge my Greatness and praise me to High Heaven. At that point you
will discover what a really nice person I am.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

[...]
>> Brains will win out over balls every time,

>
> Not when the 'brains' are deathly scared of being noticed.
>
>> except in case of war when you
>> really do require warriors, men who have balls and are willing to risk
>> all.
>> Courage is the greatest of all virtues because it makes all other virtues

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Actually, charity is; it extends beyond the grave. That's why I'm
> going easy on ya. If I die, I'll still continue to be charitable
> to you. You're stuck with me forever.


You have to have a society in which charity can be operative. It is courage
which makes such a society possible. Otherwise, we would all be overrun by
Mongols and other assorted barbarians from the steppes of Central Asia.

>> possible. That is why I respect the military. They are truly America's
>> finest.

>
> America's finest are the unsung people who do whatever they can to
> provide relief to tsunami/drought/earthquake/famine/whatever-stricken
> regions in the far-flung reaches of the world, as well as helping
> their own, domestic needy. America's finest are those who, in the
> spirit of international teamwork and interdependence, support the UN
> instead of whining about non-Americans "telling them what to do".
> America's finest are those who understand the difference between helpin'
> people and hurtin' 'em. America's finest don't trudge around other
> people's lands, wielding people-shootin' guns.


All the above are bleeding heart liberals who do more damage than good in
the world. They are as ineffectual as children and resemble children in many
other respects as well. The world would be infinitely better off if all such
types would like lemmings go to the sea and thereby perish. And I would say
good riddance to the lot of them.

What I like about the military is that they have become somewhat of a
separate elite in our society. Because of them, the rest of us can get as
rotten and corrupt as we please as long as we still have this elite military
force to protect us.

Tom Keats benefits as much from the American military as do we Americans.
But, being Canadian, he does not share any of the burden. He is a weasel who
does not pull his weight in the world. We Americans are quite right to look
down on Canadians and to regard them with contempt. They are about on the
level of the French, traitors to Western Civilization.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]
>> I have had a very bad relationship with all Canadians in my years of
>> being on Usenet (mainly ARBR). They have all been very liberal without
>> exception and in fact act more like Europeans than Americans. That is too
>> bad as far as I am concerned because there is much that I like about
>> Canada.

>
> Ah, yes, we are more European, I think it's more ethnic, rather then
> becoming a melting pot, where immigrants are assimilated, we allow for
> people to retain their ethnicity. Since the bulk of Canadians have some
> European or British roots, we appear more European. I think the reason
> people generally like Canada, is that Canadians are more willing to try
> something new.
>
> A Canadian dropped in the middle of Paris, France would say "Cool, eh, I
> can try some French Cuisine, eh". An American in the same situation,
> would stand in the middle of the city square, and yell "Where is the F'ing
> McDonalds". This is why a Canadian travelling overseas is always
> cautioned to wear a maple leaf, somewhere at all times, the world likes
> us.


The fact that the world does not go bonkers over Canada like it does the US
is because Canada's status in the world is on the order of Costa Rica. If
and when Canada ever becomes a super power, all that will change in a trice.
France will then be as delighted to stab Canada in the back as it was to do
it to the US. France thinks it has been robbed of its rightful place in
history. They never got over the glories of Napoleon.

>> You have already demonstrated in these few brief messages that you have
>> common sense and that counts for a lot with me. I attribute much of what
>> goes on in Canada to your very liberal media, most especially the CBC. I
>> believe the CBC is right down there along with the BBC. Both are radical
>> liberal and I can't stand either one. Thank God for Fox News here in
>> America.

>
> I would agree, the CBC can be a little too liberal (I nicknamed it the
> Communist Broadcast Corporation YEARS ago), however there are also more
> conservative news sources, although they all will often will take an
> international stand on international news and a domestic stand on domestic
> news, unlike US media which tends to take a domestic stand on
> international and domestic news. I think that is mostly because we are
> smaller, and not all news organizations have correspondants everywhere. In
> fact our media outlets often quote each other, or quote international
> sources. It can be funny sometimes, when CBC and CTV (the two largest TV
> networks), show the same NBC report.


The NY Times is still the main source for the major media in the US. But the
US has now developed a healthy conservative media for the first time in my
life. It was about time. I used to hate Walter Cronkite on CBS telling us
that that is the way it is when all he was doing was feeding us a constant
stream of liberal ideology.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The Wogster wrote:
>
>> I don't know about that, Labour day, just after Katrina when gas here hit
>> $1.30/L (~$4/Gallon) made the highways to cottage country virtually
>> traffic free, when normally they would have been packed, and we are
>> generally just as car crazy as Americans. Did see a lot more bikes
>> around though.... Of course this time of year, it's a little different,
>> but gas prices are again toying with $1/L and I think that's a
>> psycological barrier for a lot of people. At 0.999/L they will drive to
>> work, at $1.010/L they will take transit, it works out to be cheaper.
>> Then again, we have always been more thrifty then Americans.

>
> Yeah, when gas was $3 a gallon, around Labor Day, the temperature was
> around 26? C, and it was clear, I was seeing a lot more cyclists than
> around Xmas, when gas was $2 a gallon, the temperature was 4? C, and it
> was raining. This clearly proves that higher gasoline prices cause more
> people to ride their bicycles. I think that I'll bring this fact up at a
> public policy meeting. It goes hand in hand with gardening helmets.


Still, it will be interesting to see what will happen when the world runs
out of oil. Unless we can come up with an alternative fuel that will work
something like oil, I think we will see a major reordering of life styles in
the West.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> They have all been very liberal without exception
>> and in fact act more like Europeans than Americans.

>
> Thank you.
>
>> Thank God for Fox News here in
>> America.

>
> Don't worry. We'll take that over, too.


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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> These RBM guys
>> got no staying power at all. Just say boo to them and they run and hide.

>
> It's not us, it's you and your ugliness. I hate to be the one
> to break it to you, but you've gotta sneak up on a glass of
> water to get a drink.
>
> No wonder you're so into hats.


I am still standing by waiting for you to say something intelligent.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Could we please address more important issues like presta vs schrader and
> then move on to chain lube.


This subject thread died and went to Hell quite some time ago. All that is
going to happen from here on out is extreme off topic messages (thanks to
me) and lots of idiotic invective from the peanut gallery (thanks to Tom
Keats).

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:eqgwf.111839$oG.44537@dukeread02...
>> Could we please address more important issues like presta vs schrader and
>> then move on to chain lube.

>
> This subject thread died and went to Hell quite some time ago. All that is
> going to happen from here on out is extreme off topic messages (thanks to
> me) and lots of idiotic invective from the peanut gallery (thanks to Tom
> Keats).
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>


Well hang in there, your posts are the only reason I am still reading this.

Jim C
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:

>
> [...]
>
>>>I have had a very bad relationship with all Canadians in my years of
>>>being on Usenet (mainly ARBR). They have all been very liberal without
>>>exception and in fact act more like Europeans than Americans. That is too
>>>bad as far as I am concerned because there is much that I like about
>>>Canada.

>>
>>Ah, yes, we are more European, I think it's more ethnic, rather then
>>becoming a melting pot, where immigrants are assimilated, we allow for
>>people to retain their ethnicity. Since the bulk of Canadians have some
>>European or British roots, we appear more European. I think the reason
>>people generally like Canada, is that Canadians are more willing to try
>>something new.
>>
>>A Canadian dropped in the middle of Paris, France would say "Cool, eh, I
>>can try some French Cuisine, eh". An American in the same situation,
>>would stand in the middle of the city square, and yell "Where is the F'ing
>>McDonalds". This is why a Canadian travelling overseas is always
>>cautioned to wear a maple leaf, somewhere at all times, the world likes
>>us.

>
>
> The fact that the world does not go bonkers over Canada like it does the US
> is because Canada's status in the world is on the order of Costa Rica. If
> and when Canada ever becomes a super power, all that will change in a trice.
> France will then be as delighted to stab Canada in the back as it was to do
> it to the US. France thinks it has been robbed of its rightful place in
> history. They never got over the glories of Napoleon.


Actually Canada is respected by much of the world, it has it's deficit
under control (unlike the United States). Our dollar is doing quite
well, and we have something like 90% of the untapped oil supply left in
North America. I suspect the days of the super-powers are over, it's
consortiums that are taking over, like the European Union. The United
States will become a has-been in the next 50 years, when the oil supply
starts drying up, and it will not be able to borrow enough money to
defend the middle East against the Billion man army known as China. The
United States will then join the Americas Union, which will consist of
Canada, United States, Mexico, Guatamala, Jamaica, Haiti, Dominican
Republic, Barbados, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, Venezuala, Columbia,
Brazil, Peru, Bolivia (I know some people there), Paraguay, Argentina
and Uruguay. It will be one big free trade zone, with a common
currency, just like most of Europe is. Unlike NAFTA, the United States
will not be able to write this trade agreement.

>>>You have already demonstrated in these few brief messages that you have
>>>common sense and that counts for a lot with me. I attribute much of what
>>>goes on in Canada to your very liberal media, most especially the CBC. I
>>>believe the CBC is right down there along with the BBC. Both are radical
>>>liberal and I can't stand either one. Thank God for Fox News here in
>>>America.

>>
>>I would agree, the CBC can be a little too liberal (I nicknamed it the
>>Communist Broadcast Corporation YEARS ago), however there are also more
>>conservative news sources, although they all will often will take an
>>international stand on international news and a domestic stand on domestic
>>news, unlike US media which tends to take a domestic stand on
>>international and domestic news. I think that is mostly because we are
>>smaller, and not all news organizations have correspondants everywhere. In
>>fact our media outlets often quote each other, or quote international
>>sources. It can be funny sometimes, when CBC and CTV (the two largest TV
>>networks), show the same NBC report.

>
>
> The NY Times is still the main source for the major media in the US. But the
> US has now developed a healthy conservative media for the first time in my
> life. It was about time. I used to hate Walter Cronkite on CBS telling us
> that that is the way it is when all he was doing was feeding us a constant
> stream of liberal ideology.


Actually, the CBC does two things very well. They continue the tradition
of radio drama, and they service areas, that would not otherwise be
servicable due to lack of population. The problem with US news, and I
have seen some of it, is that they always take a US stand on
international issues. Which brings me to another issue, I have with US
media, how come the media is so obsessed by politics and political
issues, when the majority of citizens don't even care enough to vote?

W
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>The Wogster wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I don't know about that, Labour day, just after Katrina when gas here hit
>>>$1.30/L (~$4/Gallon) made the highways to cottage country virtually
>>>traffic free, when normally they would have been packed, and we are
>>>generally just as car crazy as Americans. Did see a lot more bikes
>>>around though.... Of course this time of year, it's a little different,
>>>but gas prices are again toying with $1/L and I think that's a
>>>psycological barrier for a lot of people. At 0.999/L they will drive to
>>>work, at $1.010/L they will take transit, it works out to be cheaper.
>>>Then again, we have always been more thrifty then Americans.

>>
>>Yeah, when gas was $3 a gallon, around Labor Day, the temperature was
>>around 26? C, and it was clear, I was seeing a lot more cyclists than
>>around Xmas, when gas was $2 a gallon, the temperature was 4? C, and it
>>was raining. This clearly proves that higher gasoline prices cause more
>>people to ride their bicycles. I think that I'll bring this fact up at a
>>public policy meeting. It goes hand in hand with gardening helmets.

>
>
> Still, it will be interesting to see what will happen when the world runs
> out of oil. Unless we can come up with an alternative fuel that will work
> something like oil, I think we will see a major reordering of life styles in
> the West.


Oil will become to valuable to burn. Yup, however it will not be, a
we have oil one day, we don't the next, it will be, that the oil
available will be much harder, and more expensive to obtain, for example
think last fall, when gas hit $5/Gallon was expensive, it will be there
again, except it will keep on going up. Municipal transit companies
will start running trolley and street cars, en masse, because building
the electric infrastructure will be cheaper then buying the fuel for bus
fleets. Freight and people will get moved intercity by rail, because
the railways, can electrify lines, and it will be cheaper to run power
lines, then to purchase the oil to operate the trains. Airlines will
drop like flies, because they will not be able to compete fare wise with
the new electrified railways. Expect to see a lot of dual power
locomotives for a while, where it has a diesel engine, and a pentagraph,
allowing it to run in either diesel mode on unelectrified lines, and
electric on electrified lines.

Cities will need to be rebuilt, although a lot of land will be made
available when parking isn't needed as much. Homes will be built
smaller, and the townhome will become much more popular, except it will
not have a garage under it, and the common wall will mean less heating
cost. Systems like Toronto's Enwave (www.enwave.com) which supplies
steam heat and Deep Lake Water Cooling, will provide the bulk of heating
and cooling for these homes, it's much more efficient to have a central
plant, even if it uses gas, then to have each home with it's own heating
system. Expect the gas to come from garbage digesters and sewage
treatment plants, rather then petroleum sources. What will happen, is
that you will have a meter in the basement, that measures how much steam
and chiller water you use, and you will be billed for that.

Suburbs will disappear, they don't have enough density for transit, and
driving will be too expensive, forget $5/Gallon, were talking
$50/Gallon, snd many gas stations will disappear because they will not
get enough business to be profitable, even if gasoline represents only a
small portion of their business. So you might have to spend $100 to
drive to the gas station for that $750 fillup.

Companies like GM and Ford will head into different businesses, there
will be a huge need for rail transit vehicles, which are largely hand
built. Of course, America will have a need for about 240,000,000 new
bicycles as well. The bicycle being the most efficient way of moving
relatively short distances. Add to that about 25,000,000 new bikes in
Canada, there will be an amazing new business for suppliers of ice
capable tires.

Imagine the morning traffic report, "And we have a 117 bike peloton on
I-495 south, and a disabled bike on the side of the north bound lanes,
looks like a dropped chain."

W
 
Johnny Sunset wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > ...
> > I actually thought that a helmet was useful until I read some of the
> > key papers underlying that assertion. Unforunately some of them give
> > new meaning to the term "junk science".

>
> Without a h*lm*t, how do you keep the anti-mind-control foil on your
> head?
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley


It's easy. You simply take two wire hangers and twi.. Just a minute
there's a funny looking guy at the door...

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Mike Rice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:36 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:

> [...]
> >>By advocating that cyclists should not wear helmets they are in effect
> >>committing murder by proxy.

> >
> > Not true. By asking people to look a the data they are exposing the
> > truth about h*lmets...that they will not protect you in a major head
> > impact truama. 'Murder by proxy' sounds like you believe that a h*lmet
> > will save your life, when in fact any impact of sufficient force to
> > kill you will do so regardless of whether or not you remembered to don
> > your foil lined stryfoam hat.
> >
> > I'm not advocated not wearing h*lmets, and I'm not advocating wearing
> > them either. I do think one should not expect protection from anything
> > more serious than minor scrapes & bruises. Proper riding skills are
> > much more effective at saving one's bacon than are the foam hats.
> >
> > I have fallen down more on my recumbent than I ever did on my upright,
> > of course I have riden much more since making the change as well. Most
> > of my spills have been comical low speed events, and I have never come
> > close to hitting my head on anything.

>
> My main point was that I do not want lay folks like you and me making
> decisions based on our reading of the data and/or a statistic because we are
> not qualified to know what to think. We are not expert in the field of
> safety. My appeal is to authority. As in all walks of life, it is best to
> leave most things in their hands.
>
> It is very dangerous to think for yourself about most matters. It is far
> better and safer to rely on the experts (in their field of expertise only)
> to do our thinking for us. That way we will live longer and healthier.
>
> If it is possible that you and Frank K. are right, then it will be up to you
> to convince the powers that be that you are right. It may be that you could
> become one of those powers yourself and then dictate to the rest of us what
> we should think about the matter. But until that day arrives, I will go with
> the status quo, thank you very much!


You may not have noticed Ed but people like Frank and Guy and others
who post here are the experts.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

>>> Thank God for Fox News here in
>>> America.

>>
>> Don't worry. We'll take that over, too.

>
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You can quote your Howard Stern all you want.
We're still not impressed. We're not even
amused.

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> "Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> These RBM guys
>>> got no staying power at all. Just say boo to them and they run and hide.

>>
>> It's not us, it's you and your ugliness. I hate to be the one
>> to break it to you, but you've gotta sneak up on a glass of
>> water to get a drink.
>>
>> No wonder you're so into hats.

>
> I am still standing by waiting for you to say something intelligent.


Y'know, I actually have much admiration for folks who design & build
their own 'bents. They're a creative and constructive lot. And
they're a bunch of nice, intelligent people, like Tom Sherman.
They have my respect.

Maybe get yourself an oversized 10-gallon Stetson.
One that sits real low.


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In article <[email protected]>,
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> "Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> And I am a Conservative

>>
>> Were you born that way, or did you suffer a head injury?

>
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Well, /that/ answers my question.


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In article <[email protected]>,
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> You have to have a society in which charity can be operative. It is courage
> which makes such a society possible. Otherwise, we would all be overrun by
> Mongols and other assorted barbarians from the steppes of Central Asia.


Yeah, the Mongolian Expeditionary Force is gearing up right now
to airdrop (shaggy ponies 'n all) into Los Angeles, New York,
and Chicago.

> Tom Keats benefits as much from the American military as do we Americans.
> But, being Canadian, he does not share any of the burden.


Canada is still cleaning up your stoopid mess in Afghanistan.


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In article <[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> writes:

> I believe that we should hold out for a return of the beaver fur hat
> that was so popular many years ago. They are very elegant and they
> would also provide us with an incentive to get rid of some of those
> pesky little rodents.
>
> The hats in the 30's and 40's were okay but not up to earlier standards


Actually, the underlayers of beaver fur was always favoured for the
secondary manufacture of hat-making felt. Until it was discovered
that sea otters' fur makes an even better felt.

What is now known as British Columbia originated with the slaughter
of so many sea otters so as to provide hats for Britain -- although
the region had previously been partially explored & exploited by
the Spanish and Russians. British Columbia history becomes quite
interesting when one realizes it wasn't "discovered" by canoe-paddling,
Scots-brogue-speaking HBC explorers sent out of Upper Canada, as so
many school textbooks would have it.

The indigenous Coastal folks seem to have preferred to make hats out
of botanical stuff that one might also weave into bicycle baskets.


cheers,
Tom

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