No Helmets Needed?



"Mike Rice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[...]
> Since I know you won't look at this, and I think yuou might
> apprecriate this particular item I will describe it for you, Ed.
>
> This page has nothing offensive, only an invitation to join LAMFRA. It
> appears to be a flyer, legend reads:
> "Sick of loudmouth fascistswith frozen brains ruining the recumbent
> community with their crybaby whining and right wing diatribes? You are
> not alone." appearing above a graphic with the slashed circle in red
> over a figure with an upraised fist riding a recumbent, and wearing a
> hat emblazoned with a swastika.
>
> Beneath the image reads:
> "join LAMFRA: Lowracers Against Minnesota Fascist Recumbent Assholes"
>
> Indiana Mike

No, I do not mind reading what you have written and Mr. Sherman could just
as easily have written it as you. I refuse to go to links that are not
described in sufficient detail first. That is a fool's errand.

Ed Gin and Associates are criminal vandal trolls. They do not engage in
conversation like you and I do. They post their garbage and then run and
hide behind proxies. Screw them all the way to Hell and back! A respectable
person would not be caught dead looking at any of their crapola. Jim
McNamara of ARBR has already told us everything we will ever have to know
about them. They are monkeys (Monkey Island) and all they do is sling poo.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Johnny Sunset" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Mike Rice wrote:
>> ...
>> I knew Mr. Dolan was aware he was cross-posting, something he has
>> claimed to never do. And now I see why. He thirsts for new blood,
>> having successfully (in secret partnership with Mr. Ed Gin)...
>
> Do you have DEFINITIVE PROOF, BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, of Ed Gin's
> involvement?
>
> There are many Monkeys on The Island, and some have never posted using
> their real names.

Mr. McNamra of ARBR has told us we will ever have to know about who is who
in that execrable gathering of scum recumbent cyclists from that **** hole
known as Chicagoland (Monkey Island).

If they post not using their real names, what the hell else do we ever have
to know about them. They are scum and so are you for having any association
with them.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> I do not like any kind of caps. Hats are what is called for for grown
>> men. Caps are for kids. Men wearing caps look absurd. They look dorky and
>> jerky.
>
> In winter, I would rather be a warm dork, then, well there has never been
> a proper hat, designed for winter use, except maybe those Russian things
> made from dead animal fur. They are heavy, and really kind of ugly.

Nope, I wear them. They work just fine and I think they look just fine too.
But still I see men who presumably have some brains running around in cold
temperatures without anything on their heads. They don't wear scarves
either. I think we are getting dumber and dumber with every generation.

>> But most men dress like slobs these days in every respect. Men who wear
>> blue jeans are especially hideous.The fatter and uglier we get, the worse
>> we dress. The only solution is the grave when the world will be rid of
>> our loathsome presence.
>
> There is, of course, a solution to that, more human powered miles, fewer
> car miles. The more calories you burn, given the same amount of food, the
> less weight you need to worry about.

Agreed. Walking will work here in Minnesota in the winter when nothing else
will. Still, everyone is running around in cars and you never see anyone out
walking. I think folks in small towns do the least amount of walking of
anyone in the country.

>> I refer you to the good old days of the 1930's and 1940's when men looked
>> like men with proper hats on their heads. Apparently those days are gone
>> forever and we are doomed to go into the future looking like very old
>> kids with beanies on our heads and blue jeans on our asses. It is really
>> quite laughable.
>
> If one does no physical activity faster then a walk or cycles at less then
> 7MPH, and does so only when the temperature is between 40F and 75F then
> clothing from those days would make sense. Mind you the practicality of
> denim outside of those temperature regions, also doesn't make sense,
> because it chaffs in the summer, and since it's cotton, it simply gets
> cold and wet in winter.
>
> One thing we have really gained, recently is activity centred clothing,
> where the way you dress, is indictive of activity, the stuffed shirt can
> wear a shirt and tie. The cyclist can wear cycling clothes, the hiker can
> wear hiking clothes (other then the pocket placement, and no need of a
> chamios) this is similar to cycling clothing.

Yes, you are quite right in everything you say. But I just hate blue jeans
(denim). They look just horrible on grown men, most of whom have pot bellies
and sagging butts. Blue jeans are OK for kids and for farm labor, but why
anyone would wear them in town is beyond me.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Olebiker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Hayvern wrote:
>> I have a nice 3 inch scar in my forehead from a bicycle crash in 1977.
>> This scar would have been avoided had I been wearing a helmet. Yeah, I
>> look like a dork, but 25 stitches in my forehead was not a lot of fun
>> either.
>
> I took a bad fall several years ago and bounced my helmeted head off
> the pavement hard enough to break the helmet. I am quite grateful that
> the helmet absorbed some of the impact my head would have had I not
> been wearing a helmet. My scalp is also grateful that it did not have
> to be abraded by the blacktop.
>
> If some folks want to ride without helmets, they should have the right
> to do so without the government telling them otherwise. As for me, my
> helmets are light enough that I hardly notice them and my experience
> has proven to me that they do provide a level of protection that I am
> glad to have.
>
> **** Durbin

****, your story has been told thousands of times but the anti-helmet crowd
does not want to hear it. I am convinced they are against helmets because
they do not want to muss up their hair. That is how shallow they are.

Your last paragraph leaps out at me. I do not mind the government telling me
what is best for me. I see that as a proper function of government. The
government does this sort of thing with regard to a thousand and one items
that impact our lives and it does it for our own protection, safety and well
being. I see nothing wrong at all in the government telling us all kinds of
things provided of course that that government is democratically elected and
our Constitution remains in effect.

And I am a Conservative but, as you might guess, not a Libertarian!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>I do not like any kind of caps. Hats are what is called for for grown
>>>men. Caps are for kids. Men wearing caps look absurd. They look dorky and
>>>jerky.
>>
>>In winter, I would rather be a warm dork, then, well there has never been
>>a proper hat, designed for winter use, except maybe those Russian things
>>made from dead animal fur. They are heavy, and really kind of ugly.
>
>
> Nope, I wear them. They work just fine and I think they look just fine too.
> But still I see men who presumably have some brains running around in cold
> temperatures without anything on their heads. They don't wear scarves
> either. I think we are getting dumber and dumber with every generation.
>

Well, I live in Canada and I find, the colder it gets, the more toques
you will see. Usually the idiot yapping about how cold it is, isn't
wearing one. I don't wear a scarf myself, I have a neck gator, which is
basically a ring of material, that you can pull over your head. You can
also pull it up over your face. Of course, when it really gets cold, I
dig out the balaclava, which has a hole for each eye, and a hole for the
mouth, you might look silly wearing it, but I have walked around with
it, in cold temps for hours, without feeling cold.

>>>But most men dress like slobs these days in every respect. Men who wear
>>>blue jeans are especially hideous.The fatter and uglier we get, the worse
>>>we dress. The only solution is the grave when the world will be rid of
>>>our loathsome presence.
>>
>>There is, of course, a solution to that, more human powered miles, fewer
>>car miles. The more calories you burn, given the same amount of food, the
>>less weight you need to worry about.
>
>
> Agreed. Walking will work here in Minnesota in the winter when nothing else
> will. Still, everyone is running around in cars and you never see anyone out
> walking. I think folks in small towns do the least amount of walking of
> anyone in the country.

Just bump the price of gas to $12.00 a gallon, and you will see a major
uptick in the number of people walking, and biking. Make it $24/Gallon
and you will see almost no cars on the road at all.

>>>I refer you to the good old days of the 1930's and 1940's when men looked
>>>like men with proper hats on their heads. Apparently those days are gone
>>>forever and we are doomed to go into the future looking like very old
>>>kids with beanies on our heads and blue jeans on our asses. It is really
>>>quite laughable.
>>
>>If one does no physical activity faster then a walk or cycles at less then
>>7MPH, and does so only when the temperature is between 40F and 75F then
>>clothing from those days would make sense. Mind you the practicality of
>>denim outside of those temperature regions, also doesn't make sense,
>>because it chaffs in the summer, and since it's cotton, it simply gets
>>cold and wet in winter.
>>
>>One thing we have really gained, recently is activity centred clothing,
>>where the way you dress, is indictive of activity, the stuffed shirt can
>>wear a shirt and tie. The cyclist can wear cycling clothes, the hiker can
>>wear hiking clothes (other then the pocket placement, and no need of a
>>chamios) this is similar to cycling clothing.
>
>
> Yes, you are quite right in everything you say. But I just hate blue jeans
> (denim). They look just horrible on grown men, most of whom have pot bellies
> and sagging butts. Blue jeans are OK for kids and for farm labor, but why
> anyone would wear them in town is beyond me.

Well, considering that Levi Strauss made his blue denims for miners, I
would say, yeah, farm labourers and miners could wear jeans, everyone
else should really wear something else. There are nice casual pants
about, and many of them look quite sharp. In winter pair of good wool
pants, with Polartec or similar long underwear is a good outdoor
combination.

W




>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
 
"The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
> Well, I live in Canada and I find, the colder it gets, the more toques you
> will see. Usually the idiot yapping about how cold it is, isn't wearing
> one. I don't wear a scarf myself, I have a neck gator, which is basically
> a ring of material, that you can pull over your head. You can also pull
> it up over your face. Of course, when it really gets cold, I dig out the
> balaclava, which has a hole for each eye, and a hole for the mouth, you
> might look silly wearing it, but I have walked around with it, in cold
> temps for hours, without feeling cold.

Ah, at last, a sensible Canadian! Yes, Virginia, they do exist!

>>>>But most men dress like slobs these days in every respect. Men who wear
>>>>blue jeans are especially hideous.The fatter and uglier we get, the
>>>>worse we dress. The only solution is the grave when the world will be
>>>>rid of our loathsome presence.
>>>
>>>There is, of course, a solution to that, more human powered miles, fewer
>>>car miles. The more calories you burn, given the same amount of food,
>>>the less weight you need to worry about.
>>
>>
>> Agreed. Walking will work here in Minnesota in the winter when nothing
>> else will. Still, everyone is running around in cars and you never see
>> anyone out walking. I think folks in small towns do the least amount of
>> walking of anyone in the country.
>
> Just bump the price of gas to $12.00 a gallon, and you will see a major
> uptick in the number of people walking, and biking. Make it $24/Gallon
> and you will see almost no cars on the road at all.

Wogster, I have come to the conclusion that the price of gasoline will have
to go to a minimum of $100. a gallon here in the US before anything
significant starts to happen. Most people I know would rather go without
food than go without gas for their freaking cars.
[...]

>> Yes, you are quite right in everything you say. But I just hate blue
>> jeans (denim). They look just horrible on grown men, most of whom have
>> pot bellies and sagging butts. Blue jeans are OK for kids and for farm
>> labor, but why anyone would wear them in town is beyond me.
>
> Well, considering that Levi Strauss made his blue denims for miners, I
> would say, yeah, farm labourers and miners could wear jeans, everyone else
> should really wear something else. There are nice casual pants about, and
> many of them look quite sharp. In winter pair of good wool pants, with
> Polartec or similar long underwear is a good outdoor combination.

Ah, at last, a sensible Canadian! Yes, Virginia, they do exist!

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:09:36 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
> said in <[email protected]>:
>
>>It's a low level of education that makes people not understand the
>>difference between causation and correlation.
>
> Which would make it more likely that stupid people were wearers, then,
> since that is the primary underpinning of pro-helmet research!
>
> Guy

Has there ever been a thread about helmets in the entire history of Usenet
where Guy Chapman of the UK did not show up offering his nonsense? I swear,
he can smell a thread like this from a thousand miles away. Only Peter
Clinch, also of the UK, can compete with him. They both have helmets on the
brain to the exclusion of almost everything else.

It is time to kill this thread or before you know it Guy Chapman of the UK
will be offering us all kinds of idiotic studies replete with data and more
statistics than you can shake a finger at proving that helmets are strictly
for poor benighted souls like Ed Dolan.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>Well, I live in Canada and I find, the colder it gets, the more toques you
>>will see. Usually the idiot yapping about how cold it is, isn't wearing
>>one. I don't wear a scarf myself, I have a neck gator, which is basically
>>a ring of material, that you can pull over your head. You can also pull
>>it up over your face. Of course, when it really gets cold, I dig out the
>>balaclava, which has a hole for each eye, and a hole for the mouth, you
>>might look silly wearing it, but I have walked around with it, in cold
>>temps for hours, without feeling cold.
>
>
> Ah, at last, a sensible Canadian! Yes, Virginia, they do exist!

There are actually quite a few of us. John from Kingston who floats
around here, is another one....

>>>>>But most men dress like slobs these days in every respect. Men who wear
>>>>>blue jeans are especially hideous.The fatter and uglier we get, the
>>>>>worse we dress. The only solution is the grave when the world will be
>>>>>rid of our loathsome presence.
>>>>
>>>>There is, of course, a solution to that, more human powered miles, fewer
>>>>car miles. The more calories you burn, given the same amount of food,
>>>>the less weight you need to worry about.
>>>
>>>
>>>Agreed. Walking will work here in Minnesota in the winter when nothing
>>>else will. Still, everyone is running around in cars and you never see
>>>anyone out walking. I think folks in small towns do the least amount of
>>>walking of anyone in the country.
>>
>>Just bump the price of gas to $12.00 a gallon, and you will see a major
>>uptick in the number of people walking, and biking. Make it $24/Gallon
>>and you will see almost no cars on the road at all.
>
>
> Wogster, I have come to the conclusion that the price of gasoline will have
> to go to a minimum of $100. a gallon here in the US before anything
> significant starts to happen. Most people I know would rather go without
> food than go without gas for their freaking cars.
> [...]

I don't know about that, Labour day, just after Katrina when gas here
hit $1.30/L (~$4/Gallon) made the highways to cottage country virtually
traffic free, when normally they would have been packed, and we are
generally just as car crazy as Americans. Did see a lot more bikes
around though.... Of course this time of year, it's a little different,
but gas prices are again toying with $1/L and I think that's a
psycological barrier for a lot of people. At 0.999/L they will drive to
work, at $1.010/L they will take transit, it works out to be cheaper.
Then again, we have always been more thrifty then Americans.

>
>
>>>Yes, you are quite right in everything you say. But I just hate blue
>>>jeans (denim). They look just horrible on grown men, most of whom have
>>>pot bellies and sagging butts. Blue jeans are OK for kids and for farm
>>>labor, but why anyone would wear them in town is beyond me.
>>
>>Well, considering that Levi Strauss made his blue denims for miners, I
>>would say, yeah, farm labourers and miners could wear jeans, everyone else
>>should really wear something else. There are nice casual pants about, and
>>many of them look quite sharp. In winter pair of good wool pants, with
>>Polartec or similar long underwear is a good outdoor combination.
>
>
> Ah, at last, a sensible Canadian! Yes, Virginia, they do exist!
>

And from the looks of the latest election polls, the sensible ones are
growing in numbers every day....

W
 
"The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Ah, at last, a sensible Canadian! Yes, Virginia, they do exist!
>>
>
> And from the looks of the latest election polls, the sensible ones are
> growing in numbers every day....

I have had a very bad relationship with all Canadians in my years of being
on Usenet (mainly ARBR). They have all been very liberal without exception
and in fact act more like Europeans than Americans. That is too bad as far
as I am concerned because there is much that I like about Canada.

You have already demonstrated in these few brief messages that you have
common sense and that counts for a lot with me. I attribute much of what
goes on in Canada to your very liberal media, most especially the CBC. I
believe the CBC is right down there along with the BBC. Both are radical
liberal and I can't stand either one. Thank God for Fox News here in
America.

Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> "Tom Keats" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> The only reason to build your own recumbent is to save some money.
>>> Otherwise, it is a waste of time and effort. Anyone on RBM build their
>>> own
>>> bikes? Of course not.
>>
>> You'd be surprised. You've gotcher tallbikes & chopperz --
>> things that are boldly in-yer-face, unlike your recessive,
>> shy, shrinking-violet street luges that wanna get run over
>> in the blind spots in front of cement trucks while you
>> introvertedly avoid eye-contact or any other communication
>> with fellow road users. Such self-wrapped cocoonery!
>
> The above is absurd. No upright cyclist builds their own bikes except for
> extreme nut cases.

<me, smugly chuckling>

>>> That is because they have more brains than do we
>>> recumbent cyclists.
>>
>> Not brains. Balls.
>
> Brains will win out over balls every time,

Not when the 'brains' are deathly scared of being noticed.

> except in case of war when you
> really do require warriors, men who have balls and are willing to risk all.
> Courage is the greatest of all virtues because it makes all other virtues
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Actually, charity is; it extends beyond the grave. That's why I'm
going easy on ya. If I die, I'll still continue to be charitable
to you. You're stuck with me forever.

> possible. That is why I respect the military. They are truly America's
> finest.

America's finest are the unsung people who do whatever they can to
provide relief to tsunami/drought/earthquake/famine/whatever-stricken
regions in the far-flung reaches of the world, as well as helping
their own, domestic needy. America's finest are those who, in the
spirit of international teamwork and interdependence, support the UN
instead of whining about non-Americans "telling them what to do".
America's finest are those who understand the difference between helpin'
people and hurtin' 'em. America's finest don't trudge around other
people's lands, wielding people-shootin' guns.


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In article <[email protected]>,
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> They have all been very liberal without exception
> and in fact act more like Europeans than Americans.

Thank you.

> Thank God for Fox News here in
> America.

Don't worry. We'll take that over, too.

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> And I am a Conservative

Were you born that way, or did you suffer a head injury?

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> writes:

> These RBM guys
> got no staying power at all. Just say boo to them and they run and hide.

It's not us, it's you and your ugliness. I hate to be the one
to break it to you, but you've gotta sneak up on a glass of
water to get a drink.

No wonder you're so into hats.


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Edward Dolan wrote:
> "The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> >> Anyone who does not wear SOMETHING on their blasted head when in the
> >> great out of doors is uncivilized. If you were civilized you would know
> >> this much at least. But you are a barbarian and a savage who goes about
> >> the world uncovered. You belong in New Guinea, not the Western World.
> >>
> >> In the good old days, a gentleman of culture and leisure such as myself
> >> would not be caught dead out of doors without SOMETHING on his blasted
> >> head. I blame President Kennedy for setting in motion this penchant for
> >> not wearing anything on your blasted head. Frank, I urge you, put
> >> SOMETHING on that blasted head of yours, most especially when you are
> >> riding your bike. Otherwise, you will look like the dork and the jerk
> >> that you are.
> >>
> >> I am also of the notion that grown men should not be wearing baseball
> >> style of caps. They are for nerdy teenagers, not dignified men of the
> >> world. Go back to the 1930's if you would know what we should be wearing
> >> on our blasted heads.
> >
> > I suppose that means we need to wear a wool suit, tie and spats, with
> > Oxfords to go along with that fedora. I spend 6 months of the year
> > wearing a touque outside, typically wear a ball cap during the summer,
> > when being active. They keep the sun off your head, the sun out of your
> > eyes, work well for keeping rain out of your eyes as well.
>
> I do not like any kind of caps. Hats are what is called for for grown men.
> Caps are for kids. Men wearing caps look absurd. They look dorky and jerky.
>
> But most men dress like slobs these days in every respect. Men who wear blue
> jeans are especially hideous.The fatter and uglier we get, the worse we
> dress. The only solution is the grave when the world will be rid of our
> loathsome presence.
>
> I refer you to the good old days of the 1930's and 1940's when men looked
> like men with proper hats on their heads. Apparently those days are gone
> forever and we are doomed to go into the future looking like very old kids
> with beanies on our heads and blue jeans on our asses. It is really quite
> laughable.

I believe that we should hold out for a return of the beaver fur hat
that was so popular many years ago. They are very elegant and they
would also provide us with an incentive to get rid of some of those
pesky little rodents.

The hats in the 30's and 40's were okay but not up to earlier standards
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
 
Edward Dolan wrote:

> It is time to kill this thread or before you know it Guy Chapman of the UK
> will be offering us all kinds of idiotic studies replete with data and more
> statistics than you can shake a finger at proving that helmets are strictly
> for poor benighted souls like Ed Dolan.

"Idiotic studies".

Would those be ones that don't reinforce personal opinion?


SMH
 
The Wogster wrote:

> I don't know about that, Labour day, just after Katrina when gas here
> hit $1.30/L (~$4/Gallon) made the highways to cottage country virtually
> traffic free, when normally they would have been packed, and we are
> generally just as car crazy as Americans. Did see a lot more bikes
> around though.... Of course this time of year, it's a little different,
> but gas prices are again toying with $1/L and I think that's a
> psycological barrier for a lot of people. At 0.999/L they will drive to
> work, at $1.010/L they will take transit, it works out to be cheaper.
> Then again, we have always been more thrifty then Americans.

Yeah, when gas was $3 a gallon, around Labor Day, the temperature was
around 26Ëš C, and it was clear, I was seeing a lot more cyclists than
around Xmas, when gas was $2 a gallon, the temperature was 4Ëš C, and it
was raining. This clearly proves that higher gasoline prices cause more
people to ride their bicycles. I think that I'll bring this fact up at a
public policy meeting. It goes hand in hand with gardening helmets.
 
SMS wrote:
> Mike Rice wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:29:52 -0800, SMS <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Be careful to which experts you defer your thinking Ed. In the case of
>>>> H*lm*ts, the most vocal experts in favor are the manufacturers. I
>>>> believe their primary interest is the $.
>>>
>>> Actually the most vocal group is pediatricians, followed by doctors
>>> in general. The manufacturers tend to be less vocal, because it would
>>> be seen as too self-serving.
>>
>>
>> I have a friend who is a physical therapist. He has had patients who
>> suffered debilitating head injury while riding without h*lm*ts and
>> will never have a normal life as a result. He is a h*lm*t proponent.
>
>
> I have a relative who is also a PT, and has the same view. If you just
> ask medical professionals, of course you're going to get mainly
> pro-helmet views, since they are seeing the results of not wearing a
> helmet. Very few people don't understand that in the event of head
> impact accident, that the helmet wearer will fare better, the extent of
> how much better is the real debate.

Considering that helmet standards are pretty low, a helmet is designed
to protect grandpa, who is pootling along on his 60 year old English 3
speed, who when stopped, falls over. Of course it doesn't do much for
the broken hip, which results.......

> OTOH, the medical professionals have a skewed view of the issue, since
> they are looking only at the tiny fraction of the population that had an
> accident in the first place. Still, the medical professional's opinions
> carry a lot of weight in public policy.

Last year, in my city 52 people were killed by guns (out of a total of
78 murders, which isn't bad for a city of 2,500,000), and everybody from
the mayor to the Prime Minister is ranting about new more strict gun
control laws, even though Canada already has the strictest gun laws in
North America. Over the same time period 229 people were killed in
traffic collisions ( 4 of them cyclists ), but you don't hear anyone
(except maybe ARC -- Advocacy for Respect for Cyclists www.respect.to )
even mentioning those deaths. I think most health care workers would
agree that traffic collisions account for a huge number of severe
injuries, and most of those are caused by vehicles going too fast, for
conditions and operator skills.

The solutions

1) Reduce the speed of motorized traffic, for example if the speed limit
is 50km/h(31MPH) with a 20% leeway (60km/h - 36MPH), then police should
start reducing the leeway, for example reduce it to 10% (55km/h) then
reduce it again the following year, the idea being to reduce traffic
speeds. Most people forget that the speed limit is a maximum, not a
minimum. Then start reducing the speed limit, say 5km/h (3MPH) every
year until it reaches 25km/h (15MPH). Since this is an annual
reduction, of 5km/h people would get used to the idea of lower speeds.

2) Upgrade operator skills, using retraining and recertification.

W
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Mn%[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>Ah, at last, a sensible Canadian! Yes, Virginia, they do exist!
>>>
>>
>>And from the looks of the latest election polls, the sensible ones are
>>growing in numbers every day....
>
>
> I have had a very bad relationship with all Canadians in my years of being
> on Usenet (mainly ARBR). They have all been very liberal without exception
> and in fact act more like Europeans than Americans. That is too bad as far
> as I am concerned because there is much that I like about Canada.

Ah, yes, we are more European, I think it's more ethnic, rather then
becoming a melting pot, where immigrants are assimilated, we allow for
people to retain their ethnicity. Since the bulk of Canadians have some
European or British roots, we appear more European. I think the reason
people generally like Canada, is that Canadians are more willing to try
something new.

A Canadian dropped in the middle of Paris, France would say "Cool, eh, I
can try some French Cuisine, eh". An American in the same situation,
would stand in the middle of the city square, and yell "Where is the
F'ing McDonalds". This is why a Canadian travelling overseas is always
cautioned to wear a maple leaf, somewhere at all times, the world likes us.

>
> You have already demonstrated in these few brief messages that you have
> common sense and that counts for a lot with me. I attribute much of what
> goes on in Canada to your very liberal media, most especially the CBC. I
> believe the CBC is right down there along with the BBC. Both are radical
> liberal and I can't stand either one. Thank God for Fox News here in
> America.

I would agree, the CBC can be a little too liberal (I nicknamed it the
Communist Broadcast Corporation YEARS ago), however there are also more
conservative news sources, although they all will often will take an
international stand on international news and a domestic stand on
domestic news, unlike US media which tends to take a domestic stand on
international and domestic news. I think that is mostly because we are
smaller, and not all news organizations have correspondants everywhere.
In fact our media outlets often quote each other, or quote
international sources. It can be funny sometimes, when CBC and CTV (the
two largest TV networks), show the same NBC report.

I gotts go, so more later.

W











> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
>
 
The Wogster wrote:

> Last year, in my city 52 people were killed by guns (out of a total of
> 78 murders, which isn't bad for a city of 2,500,000), and everybody from
> the mayor to the Prime Minister is ranting about new more strict gun
> control laws, even though Canada already has the strictest gun laws in
> North America. Over the same time period 229 people were killed in
> traffic collisions ( 4 of them cyclists ), but you don't hear anyone
> (except maybe ARC -- Advocacy for Respect for Cyclists www.respect.to )
> even mentioning those deaths. I think most health care workers would
> agree that traffic collisions account for a huge number of severe
> injuries, and most of those are caused by vehicles going too fast, for
> conditions and operator skills.

Yes, it's clear that murders and car accidents have a lot in common. Now
all we need is someone to pipe in with the number of gardening
accidents. If this happens please follow-up on that post so I don't miss it.
 
SMS wrote:
>
>
> Yes, it's clear that murders and car accidents have a lot in common. Now
> all we need is someone to pipe in with the number of gardening
> accidents. If this happens please follow-up on that post so I don't miss it.

Apparently the concept of comparative risk is _way_ beyond you, Steven!

- Frank Krygowski
 
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