No Helmets Needed?



On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:51:18 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

(snip)
>Screw these ridiculous baseball caps all the way to Hell
>and back!

Ed you really need to consider cutting back on the kinky satanic
sexual references.

Indiana Mike
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
 
"Mike Rice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
[...]
> I knew Mr. Dolan was aware he was cross-posting, something he has
> claimed to never do. And now I see why. He thirsts for new blood,
> having successfully (in secret partnership with Mr. Ed Gin) drained
> most of the life from our home stomping grounds, ARBR.
>
> Now if he would only go for the challenge and start haunting only your
> group! As he would say, 'Oh happy day!'
>
> Indiana Mike

I think a bit of cross posting to RBM is OK as long as it is not recumbent
specific. After all, we are all into recreational cycling. That is the main
thing, not what kind of bike we ride. Mr. Sherman of ARBR could perhaps
advise us if these two groups are compatible with one another.

One other item. ARBR has been pretty much destroyed due to a criminal vandal
troll. By cross-posting we will get some new blood into ARBR and that will
have the effect of diluting the criminal posting that is going on there.

Normally, I remain very opposed to any cross-posting. But it may be the only
thing that will save ARBR.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. Mike of Indiana does not really want me to leave ARBR. Hells Bells, I am
just about the only one he responds to as far as I can tell. That is
because I have the knack of saying interesting things in an interesting way.
Quality will win out every time. But Great Ones like Ed Dolan need and
appreciate a reader like Mike of Indiana.
 
"Mike Rice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:51:18 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> (snip)
>>Screw these ridiculous baseball caps all the way to Hell
>>and back!
>
> Ed you really need to consider cutting back on the kinky satanic
> sexual references.

No, screw is acceptable. The f*** word is not as well as most allusions to
asses and penises. But of course exceptions can always be made in the case
of egregious miscreants.

References to Hell and Heaven are always perfectly acceptable. Even my
sainted mother mentioned Hell a few times in her life but, admittedly, she
mentioned Heaven a whole lot more. Well, you and I, being creatures of the
21st century, are never going to see either one of those fabled places. All
we are ever going to see is Oblivion.

Here it is for the uninitiated:

"Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again." - Ed Dolan the Great

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Mike Rice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:11:47 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> (snip)
>>
>>> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
>>> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
>>> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
>>> net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
>>
>>Have look at his signature. I mean really look at it. Do you want to take
>>advice from someone this screwed up?
>>
>>For a proper signature I refer you to mine.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>aka
>>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>or
>>Mr. Ed
>
> Has it occured to Mr. Dolan that Peter Clinch might be posting from a
> computer he also uses to communicate with his professional contacts?
>
> As an ex-librarian who has often expressed pride in being too lazy to
> ever look anything up I would think that you would understand someone
> not wanting to bother with separate sig's for separate purposes.
>
> Sometimes I really wonder about your mental health, Oh Grate One.
>
> Indiana Mike

No, I stand by my opinion of him as being one of the foremost assholes I
have ever encountered on any newsgroup because of his stupid signature.
Posting to a newsgroup is the most important thing you can do in life and it
takes precedent over all else. It is surely a hundred times more important
than being a Medical Physics IT Officer - whatever the hell that is.

Old Pete should get that freaking signature off his messages and replace it
with something that would let the rest of us know that he is at least sane.
But he is an ego maniac. When it comes to egos, I will let no man get ahead
of me in that department. My Greatness will not permit it!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:27:11 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Rice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:51:18 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>>Screw these ridiculous baseball caps all the way to Hell
>>>and back!
>>
>> Ed you really need to consider cutting back on the kinky satanic
>> sexual references.
>
>No, screw is acceptable. The f*** word is not as well as most allusions to
>asses and penises. But of course exceptions can always be made in the case
>of egregious miscreants.
>
>References to Hell and Heaven are always perfectly acceptable. Even my
>sainted mother mentioned Hell a few times in her life but, admittedly, she
>mentioned Heaven a whole lot more. Well, you and I, being creatures of the
>21st century, are never going to see either one of those fabled places. All
>we are ever going to see is Oblivion.
>
>Here it is for the uninitiated:
>
>"Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again." - Ed Dolan the Great

Kinda loses a little without reference to the location of this
inscription.

Indiana Mike
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
 
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
..
> Only a savage and a barbarian like Frank K. would sink that low.

<snip>

I'm only guessing, but I'd bet Frank K. has never been called a savage and a
barbarian in rec.bicycles.misc. Not even in one of their stupid helmet
threads.

Tough crowd in the recumbent room.
 
"NYC XYZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
> Horseback riding helmets sound like a good idea. Funny how that sport
> seems so female, though.

Yes, it is mainly young teenage farm girls who are into horse riding. They
especially like to do their thing at county fairs.

>> Yeah, but who cares - and who needs to know any of this?
>
> Well, I guess you do, since you've been asking and asking!

I want Peter Clinch to stop telling us all about himself in his stupid
signature. We only need to know one or two things about anyone on Usenet -
like maybe their name and where they are from. You are remiss in the name
department yourself.

>> It has nothing to
>> do with recumbents and/or cycling. He is doing nothing but crowing about
>> himself.
>
> Well, how's that any different from customizing your 'bent with decals
> and such?

Usenent is a public forum that anyone can tune into if they want. Rules
govern how we should behave here. Old Pete is essentially spamming us for no
purpose. He is beneath contempt.

>> Furthermore, he is not Great like I am. See my signature to know
>> who I am.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> Do riders carry rifles up there? Just in case they see a deer or a car
> or something. ^_^

Well, yes, I need it for the occasional snakes and other critters you know.

>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> Ah, you're that "Prairie Home Companion" regular, huh?

I simply can't stand Keillor. He is absolutely the world's biggest bore, bar
none. Besides that, he is the worst kind of liberal you can imagine. He
should have been a preacher. He surely is no entertainer.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Mike Rice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:27:11 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
[...]
>>References to Hell and Heaven are always perfectly acceptable. Even my
>>sainted mother mentioned Hell a few times in her life but, admittedly, she
>>mentioned Heaven a whole lot more. Well, you and I, being creatures of the
>>21st century, are never going to see either one of those fabled places.
>>All
>>we are ever going to see is Oblivion.
>>
>>Here it is for the uninitiated:
>>
>>"Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again." - Ed Dolan the Great
>
> Kinda loses a little without reference to the location of this
> inscription.

I have decided to make the above epitaph my own since I am the only one who
seems aware of it or appreciates the profundity of it. Yes, it is
plagiarism, but all in the good cause of enlightenment. Most importantly of
all, the above statement is worthy of my Greatness, something that can't be
said for most everything else that is said on this group. Besides, I have
always thought the above to be true since I was a teenager. Therefore, in
effect, it is mine.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"HH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> <snip>
> .
>> Only a savage and a barbarian like Frank K. would sink that low.
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm only guessing, but I'd bet Frank K. has never been called a savage and
> a barbarian in rec.bicycles.misc. Not even in one of their stupid helmet
> threads.
>
> Tough crowd in the recumbent room.

By advocating that cyclists should not wear helmets they are in effect
committing murder by proxy. Their thinking is all based on junk science
which they do not have the brains to see through. It is just so damn
disgusting see this kind of ****. And it is always the same old crowd who
clamor against helmets no matter what cycling newsgroup you go to. It is
better to just call them what they are and let it go at that. And what are
they? They are murderers by proxy.

We need to keep in mind that newsgroups are just chock full of idiots and
morons who somehow learned to write a sentence or two but never did learn
how to think about anything. A little learning is a dangerous thing and
fools indeed most certainly do rush in where angels fear to tread.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
Edward Dolan wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I maintain that you have to wear something on your head when you go
>>>cycling.
>>>Therefore, it might as well be some kind of helmet.
>>
>>Wait - did you not examine the links I posted? There are many people
>>pictured who did were _not_ wearing anything on their heads when
>>cycling. That's proof that you _don't_ have to.
>
> [...]
>
> Anyone who does not wear SOMETHING on their blasted head when in the great
> out of doors is uncivilized. If you were civilized you would know this much
> at least. But you are a barbarian and a savage who goes about the world
> uncovered. You belong in New Guinea, not the Western World.
>
> In the good old days, a gentleman of culture and leisure such as myself
> would not be caught dead out of doors without SOMETHING on his blasted head.
> I blame President Kennedy for setting in motion this penchant for not
> wearing anything on your blasted head. Frank, I urge you, put SOMETHING on
> that blasted head of yours, most especially when you are riding your bike.
> Otherwise, you will look like the dork and the jerk that you are.
>
> I am also of the notion that grown men should not be wearing baseball style
> of caps. They are for nerdy teenagers, not dignified men of the world. Go
> back to the 1930's if you would know what we should be wearing on our
> blasted heads.

I suppose that means we need to wear a wool suit, tie and spats, with
Oxfords to go along with that fedora. I spend 6 months of the year
wearing a touque outside, typically wear a ball cap during the summer,
when being active. They keep the sun off your head, the sun out of your
eyes, work well for keeping rain out of your eyes as well.
>
>
>>- Frank Krygowski
>
>
> Have you ever thought of doing something about your name? Krygowski looks
> dumb. It is way too Slavic. All the Slavic languages are an abomination. I
> don't know which is worse, Polish or Russian. The sooner the world gets
> Anglicized and Americanized, the better. Why not do something useful
> (instead of blathering about bike helmets) and get a name change. All those
> consonants look ridiculous. God only knows how it is pronounced.

I would say Polish, Russian names of that style often end with sky,
there are also Prussian versions, that typically end in ske ( I have a
couple of cousins with a name that ends ske). As for Frank's I would
guess Cry-gow-ski (the gow part rhymes with cow)....

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

You really should talk to someone about your ego problem, you should
have a nice chat with a good therapist.....

W
 
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:11:54 -0600, "HH" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
><snip>
>.
>> Only a savage and a barbarian like Frank K. would sink that low.
>
><snip>
>
>I'm only guessing, but I'd bet Frank K. has never been called a savage and a
>barbarian in rec.bicycles.misc. Not even in one of their stupid helmet
>threads.
>
>Tough crowd in the recumbent room.
>

Not really tough crowd, just one crusty coot behind the curtain doiing
his best to scare off the villagers. ARBR has been at a low ebb,
you'll not often find a crowd there as of late.

Indiana Mike
 
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:36 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"HH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:eek:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> <snip>
>> .
>>> Only a savage and a barbarian like Frank K. would sink that low.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I'm only guessing, but I'd bet Frank K. has never been called a savage and
>> a barbarian in rec.bicycles.misc. Not even in one of their stupid helmet
>> threads.
>>
>> Tough crowd in the recumbent room.
>
>By advocating that cyclists should not wear helmets they are in effect
>committing murder by proxy.

Not true. By asking people to look a the data they are exposing the
truth about h*lmets...that they will not protect you in a major head
impact truama. 'Murder by proxy' sounds like you believe that a h*lmet
will save your life, when in fact any impact of sufficient force to
kill you will do so regardless of whether or not you remembered to don
your foil lined stryfoam hat.

I'm not advocated not wearing h*lmets, and I'm not advocating wearing
them either. I do think one should not expect protection from anything
more serious than minor scrapes & bruises. Proper riding skills are
much more effective at saving one's bacon than are the foam hats.

I have fallen down more on my recumbent than I ever did on my upright,
of course I have riden much more since making the chage as well. Most
of my spills have been comical low speed events, and I have never come
close to hitting my head on anything.

My h*lmet has trapped a wasp resulting in an uncomfortable sting on
the scalp, however.

Indiana Mike

>Their thinking is all based on junk science
>which they do not have the brains to see through. It is just so damn
>disgusting see this kind of ****. And it is always the same old crowd who
>clamor against helmets no matter what cycling newsgroup you go to. It is
>better to just call them what they are and let it go at that. And what are
>they? They are murderers by proxy.
>
>We need to keep in mind that newsgroups are just chock full of idiots and
>morons who somehow learned to write a sentence or two but never did learn
>how to think about anything. A little learning is a dangerous thing and
>fools indeed most certainly do rush in where angels fear to tread.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan, Minnesota
>
 
NYC XYZ wrote:
> Just curious: why does the HP Velotechnik site show photos of
> helmetless riders?
>
> Anyone actually fell of a 'bent? Seems like a harder thing to do, no?
> I mean, don't you just put your foot down -- the body's so close to the
> ground as it is....
>
> I'm still not sure how styrofoam is supposed to protect the head...why
> not wear a real helmet?
>
> Surely someone manufactures a lightweight helmet that's stronger and
> lighter than styrofoam?

I want skid plates for my hips and elbows, so I can get really crazy on
a lowracer!

I remember some moron crashing my Red Sunset on a slippery tight corner
seeing how fast he could do parking lot laps at the Chicagoland holiday
recumbent party a couple of years ago and getting a bruised hip. Hey
wait, that was me! ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
 
[email protected] wrote:
> ...
> I actually thought that a helmet was useful until I read some of the
> key papers underlying that assertion. Unforunately some of them give
> new meaning to the term "junk science".

Without a h*lm*t, how do you keep the anti-mind-control foil on your
head?

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
 
Peter Clinch wrote:
> ...
> One thing to bear in mind with 'bents is they have rather different
> performance characteristics to typical uprights. You'll typically be
> slower up hills, faster into headwinds and down hills. This can be a
> problem for all concerned if you're on a group tour on a hilly, windy
> circuit, depending on how much folk are happy to wait up and take it at
> a slowest pace. Lower machines can make life a little more awkward to
> speak to folk next to you, and the fact that other folk can't draft you
> can be an annoyance to some, though it'll depend on the group.
> Something to bear in mind if you're into group riding though.

The most annoying thing on larger group rides is when a cluster of
upright cyclists spread out and take up the whole road (or whole lane
when there is oncoming traffic) on a descent. This forces the rider on
an aerodynamic recumbent to ride the brakes all the way down the hill.
I am sure these same upright riders would be "pissing and moaning"
if a slow group of Fat Old Geezers (FOGs) on recumbents did the same on
an uphill section.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
 
Frank Krygowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
> Helmet manufacturers, their trade associations, and the "safety"
> societies they donate big money to (like, for example, Safe Kids Inc.)
> have falsely portrayed ordinary cycling as a tremendous source of
> serious head injuries. Don't fall for it.

Pun intended?

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
 
HH wrote:
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> <snip>
> .
> > Only a savage and a barbarian like Frank K. would sink that low.
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm only guessing, but I'd bet Frank K. has never been called a savage and a
> barbarian in rec.bicycles.misc. Not even in one of their stupid helmet
> threads.
>
> Tough crowd in the recumbent room.

See
<http://highracers.blogspot.com/2005/12/save-recumbent-community-join-lamfra.html>
for one person's opinion. ;)

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
 
"The Wogster" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Anyone who does not wear SOMETHING on their blasted head when in the
>> great out of doors is uncivilized. If you were civilized you would know
>> this much at least. But you are a barbarian and a savage who goes about
>> the world uncovered. You belong in New Guinea, not the Western World.
>>
>> In the good old days, a gentleman of culture and leisure such as myself
>> would not be caught dead out of doors without SOMETHING on his blasted
>> head. I blame President Kennedy for setting in motion this penchant for
>> not wearing anything on your blasted head. Frank, I urge you, put
>> SOMETHING on that blasted head of yours, most especially when you are
>> riding your bike. Otherwise, you will look like the dork and the jerk
>> that you are.
>>
>> I am also of the notion that grown men should not be wearing baseball
>> style of caps. They are for nerdy teenagers, not dignified men of the
>> world. Go back to the 1930's if you would know what we should be wearing
>> on our blasted heads.
>
> I suppose that means we need to wear a wool suit, tie and spats, with
> Oxfords to go along with that fedora. I spend 6 months of the year
> wearing a touque outside, typically wear a ball cap during the summer,
> when being active. They keep the sun off your head, the sun out of your
> eyes, work well for keeping rain out of your eyes as well.

I do not like any kind of caps. Hats are what is called for for grown men.
Caps are for kids. Men wearing caps look absurd. They look dorky and jerky.

But most men dress like slobs these days in every respect. Men who wear blue
jeans are especially hideous.The fatter and uglier we get, the worse we
dress. The only solution is the grave when the world will be rid of our
loathsome presence.

I refer you to the good old days of the 1930's and 1940's when men looked
like men with proper hats on their heads. Apparently those days are gone
forever and we are doomed to go into the future looking like very old kids
with beanies on our heads and blue jeans on our asses. It is really quite
laughable.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
"Mike Rice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:42:36 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
[...]
>>By advocating that cyclists should not wear helmets they are in effect
>>committing murder by proxy.
>
> Not true. By asking people to look a the data they are exposing the
> truth about h*lmets...that they will not protect you in a major head
> impact truama. 'Murder by proxy' sounds like you believe that a h*lmet
> will save your life, when in fact any impact of sufficient force to
> kill you will do so regardless of whether or not you remembered to don
> your foil lined stryfoam hat.
>
> I'm not advocated not wearing h*lmets, and I'm not advocating wearing
> them either. I do think one should not expect protection from anything
> more serious than minor scrapes & bruises. Proper riding skills are
> much more effective at saving one's bacon than are the foam hats.
>
> I have fallen down more on my recumbent than I ever did on my upright,
> of course I have riden much more since making the change as well. Most
> of my spills have been comical low speed events, and I have never come
> close to hitting my head on anything.

My main point was that I do not want lay folks like you and me making
decisions based on our reading of the data and/or a statistic because we are
not qualified to know what to think. We are not expert in the field of
safety. My appeal is to authority. As in all walks of life, it is best to
leave most things in their hands.

It is very dangerous to think for yourself about most matters. It is far
better and safer to rely on the experts (in their field of expertise only)
to do our thinking for us. That way we will live longer and healthier.

If it is possible that you and Frank K. are right, then it will be up to you
to convince the powers that be that you are right. It may be that you could
become one of those powers yourself and then dictate to the rest of us what
we should think about the matter. But until that day arrives, I will go with
the status quo, thank you very much!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
 
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