Can't Use Helmets in the Sun????



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>> > Given a choice (unfortunately many of us no longer have such a choice)
> of
>> > whether to wear a helmet while cycling, does it make a difference to
>> > the
>> > likelyhood of injury?
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>
> Then why do not population-level studies show this?

Because true "road cyclists" are only a small percentage of the overall
population.
 
Michael Press wrote:
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>> How do you make kids wear a helmet? They really hate wearing them.
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> Do you want other kids calling your kids mushrooms?
>

Because of their appearance or because they are fed on BS? ;-)

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> >> > Given a choice (unfortunately many of us no longer have such a
choice)
> > of
> >> > whether to wear a helmet while cycling, does it make a difference to
> >> > the
> >> > likelyhood of injury?
> >>
> >> Of course.
> >>
> >
> > Then why do not population-level studies show this?
>
> Because true "road cyclists" are only a small percentage of the overall
> population.
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Reference please.
 
"polly" <[email protected]> wrote in news:1148783465.995697.167040
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> How do you make kids wear a helmet? They really hate wearing them.
>

where one yourself....
 
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>>>>> Given a choice (unfortunately many of us no longer have such a
>>>>> choice) of whether to wear a helmet while cycling, does it make a
>>>>> difference to the
>>>>> likelyhood of injury?
>>>>
>>>> Of course.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then why do not population-level studies show this?
>>
>> Because true "road cyclists" are only a small percentage of the
>> overall population.
>>
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> Reference please.


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On Sun, 28 May 2006 14:47:44 GMT, "Sorni"
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>>>>>> Given a choice (unfortunately many of us no longer have such a
>>>>>> choice) of whether to wear a helmet while cycling, does it make a
>>>>>> difference to the
>>>>>> likelyhood of injury?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then why do not population-level studies show this?
>>>
>>> Because true "road cyclists" are only a small percentage of the
>>> overall population.
>>>
>>
>> Reference please.
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I have to say, that was funny.

I assume by road cyclists, Sorni means the athletic sort of people who
use the bike for recreation and have fairly high-end equipment.

JT


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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

>>>>>>> Given a choice (unfortunately many of us no longer have such a
>>>>>>> choice) of whether to wear a helmet while cycling, does it make a
>>>>>>> difference to the
>>>>>>> likelyhood of injury?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course.

Unless you get in front of a semi and parts of your body are scattered along
the street, then your head is intact and your last thought is "Oh ****, but
my head is safe........".
>>>>>>
> I assume by road cyclists, Sorni means the athletic sort of people who
> use the bike for recreation and have fairly high-end equipment.
>
> JT
>
I am an athletic sort who does not have high-end equipment, so are you
saying that to keep in shape you have to spend the rent money? I have 6
low-end bikes and plenty of spares so I always have at least 2 bikes to
pick from. Of course I have a house in the country and room for them all,
unlike the city dweller who has to cram one into an apartment. I did that
for a while then just rented a house in the 'burbs and the bike collection
exploded.
Bill Baka
 
On Sun, 28 May 2006 16:40:55 -0700, Bill Baka <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Given a choice (unfortunately many of us no longer have such a
>>>>>>>> choice) of whether to wear a helmet while cycling, does it make a
>>>>>>>> difference to the
>>>>>>>> likelyhood of injury?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course.
>
>Unless you get in front of a semi and parts of your body are scattered along
>the street, then your head is intact and your last thought is "Oh ****, but
>my head is safe........".
>>>>>>>
>> I assume by road cyclists, Sorni means the athletic sort of people who
>> use the bike for recreation and have fairly high-end equipment.
>>
>> JT
>>
>I am an athletic sort who does not have high-end equipment, so are you
>saying that to keep in shape you have to spend the rent money? I have 6
>low-end bikes and plenty of spares so I always have at least 2 bikes to
>pick from. Of course I have a house in the country and room for them all,
>unlike the city dweller who has to cram one into an apartment. I did that
>for a while then just rented a house in the 'burbs and the bike collection
>exploded.
>Bill Baka

First, could you get your attributions right. I didn't right anything
of the above except the two lines that begin with >>.

Regarding your question: no.

JT

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Quoting foots <[email protected]>:
>out to be my wrist watch in pieces scooting along in front of me. I
>know my head would have been hurt, maybe a concussion or worse, had I
>not been wearing my helmut. Not sure if it saved my life, but I know
>it reduced my injuries considerably.

Really? Repeating the experiment with a control unhelmeted head must have
been rather unpleasant. I wouldn't have bothered, myself.
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Well, slamming my head against asphalt at 15 mph with a helmut on and
not having one scratch (on the head) vs slamming my leg and butt and
shoulder against the same asphalt at the same velocity at the same
time resulting in scrapes and burns, at every contact point, that went
thru both layers of skin and one layer of expensive bib shorts is
enough evidence for me. If my head was as hard as some that post in
this group, then without a helmut it might have come thru a spill
like that unscathed.
Everyone has to do their own thing, as for me, I'll wear a brain
bucket!


On 29 May 2006 14:07:05 +0100 (BST), David Damerell
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Quoting foots <[email protected]>:
>>out to be my wrist watch in pieces scooting along in front of me. I
>>know my head would have been hurt, maybe a concussion or worse, had I
>>not been wearing my helmut. Not sure if it saved my life, but I know
>>it reduced my injuries considerably.
>
>Really? Repeating the experiment with a control unhelmeted head must have
>been rather unpleasant. I wouldn't have bothered, myself.
 
On Tue, 30 May 2006 03:27:43 GMT, foots <[email protected]> wrote:

>Well, slamming my head against asphalt at 15 mph with a helmut on and
>not having one scratch (on the head) vs slamming my leg and butt and
>shoulder against the same asphalt at the same velocity at the same
>time resulting in scrapes and burns, at every contact point, that went
>thru both layers of skin and one layer of expensive bib shorts is
>enough evidence for me.

It's pretty clear that wearing a helmet can prevent scrapes and such.

That's quite different than the claims of helmets frequently
preventing serious injury and death.

JT

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> How do you make kids wear a helmet? They really hate wearing them.

Simple: tell them they can't ride without one.

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David Kerber wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> How do you make kids wear a helmet? They really hate wearing them.
>
> Simple: tell them they can't ride without one.

Simple, as long as you don't mind putting them off riding, which is what
compulsion has a proven track record of doing. And since riding isn't
especially dangerous of productive of head injuries, why do that?

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Peter Clinch <[email protected]> writes:

> David Kerber wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] says...
>>> How do you make kids wear a helmet? They really hate wearing them.
>> Simple: tell them they can't ride without one.
>
> Simple, as long as you don't mind putting them off riding, which is
> what compulsion has a proven track record of doing. And since riding
> isn't especially dangerous of productive of head injuries, why do that?


If a 4 year old was to be knocked of his/her bike by (say) a dog and hit
his/her head on the kerb would that child

1) Have it coming and only has him/herself to blame
2) Come out injury free
3) Bounce the maleable head off the stone kerb and walk away whistling
4) Be better off with a helmet
5) Some or all of the above?
 
"John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 May 2006 03:27:43 GMT, foots <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Well, slamming my head against asphalt at 15 mph with a helmut on and
> >not having one scratch (on the head) vs slamming my leg and butt and
> >shoulder against the same asphalt at the same velocity at the same
> >time resulting in scrapes and burns, at every contact point, that went
> >thru both layers of skin and one layer of expensive bib shorts is
> >enough evidence for me.
>
> It's pretty clear that wearing a helmet can prevent scrapes and such.

They why wouldn't you wear a helmet for that reason alone?

> That's quite different than the claims of helmets frequently
> preventing serious injury and death.

Most of us who wear them assume that they mitigate risk...at least to a
certain extent. This is similar to other risk mitigation devices in our
lives (e.g., seat belts). Given that they do mitigate risk, why not wear
one?

GG

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GaryG wrote:
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > On Tue, 30 May 2006 03:27:43 GMT, foots <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Well, slamming my head against asphalt at 15 mph with a helmut on and
> > >not having one scratch (on the head) vs slamming my leg and butt and
> > >shoulder against the same asphalt at the same velocity at the same
> > >time resulting in scrapes and burns, at every contact point, that went
> > >thru both layers of skin and one layer of expensive bib shorts is
> > >enough evidence for me.
> >
> > It's pretty clear that wearing a helmet can prevent scrapes and such.
>
> They why wouldn't you wear a helmet for that reason alone?
>
> > That's quite different than the claims of helmets frequently
> > preventing serious injury and death.
>
> Most of us who wear them assume that they mitigate risk...at least to a
> certain extent. This is similar to other risk mitigation devices in our
> lives (e.g., seat belts). Given that they do mitigate risk, why not wear
> one?
>

Yours is a very sensible position. It's also the one that offends the
Anti-Helmet Zealots the most, since it reduces them to childish retorts
such as "why don't you wear a helmet in the shower?", "why don't you
wear a helmet whilst walking?", etc.
 
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