Re: OT Flame War



"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[...]
> Running "Republican Lite" candidates has been the real failure of the
> Democratic Party. Kerry's biggest mistakes were voting, against his better
> judgement) for the Iraq invasion and PATRIOT Act because it seemed
> politically convenient at the time.
>
> Russ Feingold voted against both measures, was targeted by the RNC, had a
> well funded opponent, yet still won by 10% in a state that was almost a
> virtual tie between Kerry and Shrub.


The Liberal Dems (far left) will take over the party now that they can't win
in the muddling middle anymore. Mr. Sherman illustrates this well. They
ought to have gone with Dean instead of Kerry. At least that would have made
the far left loonies like Mr. Sherman and Michael Moore happy. But they
would have lost with Dean even greater than they did with Kerry.

The far left is never going to win in this country any time soon because
America is becoming increasingly conservative. If the Republicans play it
smart they can become the majority party for the next several decades. In
any event, the long period of time in which the Democrats ruled supreme in
this country (most of my life) is finally over. Hallelujah!

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Redford wants to live in a castle. Does Canada have castles?

>
> There's one in the middle of Toronto:
>
> http://www.casaloma.org/
>
> One in Victoria, BC:
>
> http://www.craigdarrochcastle.com/
>
> And one in Hamilton, Ont.:
>
> http://www.hpl.ca/Collections/landmark/Dundurn.shtml
>
> The news reported yesterday that right after the election the Canadian
> Immigration website saw a 500% jump in inquiries from the U.S.
>
> Mark


Casaloma is outstanding. Hopefully it would be good enough for Mr. Redford.
In the long run Canada would probably work out better for him than Ireland
might.

The 500% increase in hits on the Canadian immigration website right after
the election can, for the most part I trust, be attributed to disgruntled
American socialists looking for a new situation and inquiring as to what
Canada is willing to provide for them. Their needs would primarily be in
the areas of subsidized housing and transportation, tuition free education,
subsidized food, and free medical care. They would also require a
guaranteed living wage based on a 35 hour employment week culminating in a
guaranteed living retirement income.

If Canada can meet their requirements I'm sure they will come even though
the weather may be a bit harsh for their liking. There's not much that can
be done about Canada's weather unfortunately.
 
Edward Dolan wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Ogg Oggibly (a pseudonym, no doubt) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ogg Oggibly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>...
>>>>>Sometimes I feel no one cares about these women and children. Frank
>>>>>Olson doesn't seem to care. Tom Sherman doesn't seem to care....
>>>>
>>>>You should stop making mistaken assumptions like this, as it does not
>>>>reflect well on your judgement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Based on your response in this post I am assured my original judgement on
>>>Tom Sherman was fully accurate. You find humor in 13 and 16 year old
>>>Muslim girls suffering brutal deaths for "being less than chaste".
>>>
>>>I have no respect for you at all. I have the same distain for you that I
>>>reserve for Muslim holy men casting stones at girls. May you have an
>>>unhappy life, which I sense you have already embarked upon.

>>
>>"Ogg Oggibly" (a pseudonym, no doubt) shows a lack of ability (in this
>>case at least) to comprehend anything beyond simplistic statements. If
>>he/she? thinks my post was intended in humor, he/she? has completely
>>missed the point.
>>
>>Think about it for a while, and figure it out before you bother replying.

>
>
> You ought to know by now that I for one will never go to a link of yours
> unless I get a full and complete explanation of what I will find there.
>
> In any event, it is not adequate to respond to what Ogg had written with
> links. You needed to say something directly to what he had said. Or can't
> you tell a good and profound post like Ogg's from the usual rotten **** that
> you and I write to one another. If you can't, then maybe it is time for you
> to leave this group and join one of those other forums like Monkey Island
> which is nothing but ****, ****, ****.


My links pointed that the horrible actions of stoning and hanging that
O.O. was accusing Muslims of is in accordance with the Old Testament,
and therefore also a part of Christianity (and of course Judaism).

O.O. thinking that the links I posted were meant to be humorous reveals
a lack on his/her? part of looking beyond the surface.

The other misunderstanding is that I am not a news organization trying
to present a balanced story. There are many people condemning actions of
groups such as Hamas, the Iranian religious authorities, Saddam Hussein
(when he was in power), etc. Instead of repeating what is being said
over and over, I point out unpleasant things that hardly ever get said,
such as the US support for totalitarian regimes over democratic ones,
killing of civilians by the IDF, etc. It is above providing
counter-balance to mainstream views that are anything but balanced.

P.S. Monkey Island is only 90% "poo flinging", trash talk, and
unwarranted allegations of deviant sexual behavior on the part of well
known personages within the recumbent community. The rest is actual
recumbent and racing discussion.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger
 
Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Ogg Oggibly wrote:
>>
>>
>>>...
>>>Sometimes I feel no one cares about these women and children. Frank Olson
>>>doesn't seem to care. Tom Sherman doesn't seem to care....

>>
>>You should stop making mistaken assumptions like this, as it does not
>>reflect well on your judgement.

>
>
> Ogg has got it exactly right. Your kind of thinking leads to the stoning of
> girls in Muslim lands. What would you do about it? Nothing of course. Just
> the same way that you would have done nothing about Sadaam's Iraq. Thank God
> no one, but no one, listens to fools like you.


I would have avoided the policy that created Saddam Hussein's Iraq - the
intelligent course is not to create problems that have no good solutions.

>>>...The youth movement in Iran cares. I've read they were encouraged by
>>>the Bush re-election and are secretly flashing the V for victory signs to
>>>each other. Im sure they are hoping Americans will come and chase the
>>>Mullahs back to the caves just as they did in Afghanistan....

>>
>>On what right-wing propaganda site or rag did you read this? Bush
>>strengthened the position of the hard-liners in Iran greatly when he made
>>his utterly ridiculous "Axis of Evil" statement.

>
>
> The only thing that is"utterly ridiculous" is you. You also no doubt did not
> appreciate Reagan's statement about the "evil empire" as applied to the
> Soviet Union. I wonder how it feels to always be on the wrong side of
> history. Only Mr. Sherman can answer that question as that is where he has
> been all of his life.


The Soviet Union ended because of Gorbachev's reforms. Reagan's
hard-line stance made it more difficult for Gorbachev to put his reforms
in place, since it strengthened the Soviet hard-liners (just like Bush
II and Iran).

Time for someone to look at some sources other than the mainstream US media.

>>Iran has three times the population of Iraq and is much more unified
>>culturally than Iraq. (After all it is a thousands of years old nation,
>>and not a post WW1 creation of European colonials.) A US invasion would
>>unite the people almost universally against the occupying forces. An
>>occupation would be even less successful than in Iraq, because there would
>>be much fewer collaborators available to purchase.

>
>
> Everything is going very well in Iraq, no thanks to you and your ilk....


Mr. Ed does not believe this nonsense, but likes to say it.

> Nobody is going to look up your links because you do not have any
> credibility with reasonable folks. You are a nut case pure and simple and
> that is how we shall treat you. You actually belong in an asylum for the
> insane.


Don't you remember that Reagan shut down most of the mental hospitals
and dumped the patients on the streets with a couple months worth of
medication?

Mr. Ed of course is an expert in being insane.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger
 
Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...


>>Actually the study was published in the Lancet, which is one of (if not
>>the most) highly respected peer-reviewed medical journals. There are very
>>few sources that are more unimpeachable - if the review panel had felt the
>>methodology was flawed or the interpretation biased, the article would
>>have been rejected.

>
>
> What the **** would a medical journal know about anything other than
> strictly medical subjects. Good thinking, Tom!


Mr. Ed opens his mouth and removes all doubt of his ignorance.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> ...
>>We can only be thankful we were spared the ridiculousness of Mike "Limp"
>>Ditka running for the Senate on a platform of social intolerance.

>
>
> Hard to say how Ditka, we all know his actions on a football field but I
> have no clue what his political views are and I seriously doubt he would
> have gone very far against Obama no matter what


From his public statements we can infer that Limp Ditka would have been
against civil rights for homosexuals and for lower taxes on the rich.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger
 
Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>...All the politicians will be
>>>colored by then and go by names like Obama. God, I am so glad I will
>>>never live to see it. Death solves all problems, social as well as
>>>individual.

>>
>>Does it bug you Mr. Dolan, that "morality nag" Keyes got trounced by the
>>largest margin of victory ever in a Illinois US Senate race by a liberal
>>politician? I certainly hope so. :)

>
>
> My brother (he lives in a Chicago suburb) tells me that the Illinois
> Republicans are the most ****ed up party in the entire country. He must be
> right if someone like Obama could win there. Ah, for the good old days of
> Senator Dirkson....


In 2002 the Illinois Republican's campaign for US Senate consisted of
the hope that enough people would get confused between Durbin and Durkin
to vote for Durkin. Durkin could not even raise enough money for
television advertisements.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>An even better thing when the left someday figures out the real reason

>
> why
>
>>>they continue to lose elections[.]

>>
>>Running "Republican Lite" candidates has been the real failure of the
>>Democratic Party. Kerry's biggest mistakes were voting, against his
>>better judgement) for the Iraq invasion and PATRIOT Act because it
>>seemed politically convenient at the time.

>
>
> We could debate that all next year but my feeling is Kerry was no different
> than Dukakis, Gore and McGovern, nominate the usual extreme lefty then pass
> him off as a moderate, to bad they can't stomach going for a REAL moderate
>
> Kerry also in my opinion voted for the invasion because he did support it
> judging by his previous statements during the 90's, it was only after he
> began running for president that his views suddenly "changed" although I
> could be wrong about that
>
>
>>Russ Feingold voted against both measures, was targeted by the RNC, had
>>a well funded opponent, yet still won by 10% in a state that was almost
>>a virtual tie between Kerry and Shrub.

>
>
> Those two reasons may or may not be the reason Russ won, incumbents usually
> have many other ways of winning, for example Senator Benson here in Texas
> was a powerhouse for decades and would have been for many more had he not
> became the VP candidate in 88 however as soon as he left his seat went to a
> republican and has remained that way since.


Feingold is the least wealthy person in the Senate, and does not have a
"political machine" organization like many in both major parties have
had. His "secret" is that he stands for policies that benefit the
majority of Wisconsin residents, not those of the select few.

--
Tom Sherman
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Zippy the Pinhead" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:54:51 GMT, "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>An even better thing when the left someday figures out the real reason

>
> why
>
>>>they continue to lose elections[.]

>>
>>ShHhHHH!!!!
>>
>>Don't tell 'em, dammit!

>
>
> It won't matter, even if they did figure it out they still won't break away
> from the fringe elements, they don't have the backbone[.]


What is the big secret in owning the mainstream media, and appealing to
fear and bigotry?

--
Tom Sherman
 
Tom Sherman said:
Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Zippy the Pinhead" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:54:51 GMT, "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>An even better thing when the left someday figures out the real reason

>
> why
>
>>>they continue to lose elections[.]

>>
>>ShHhHHH!!!!
>>
>>Don't tell 'em, dammit!

>
>
> It won't matter, even if they did figure it out they still won't break away
> from the fringe elements, they don't have the backbone[.]


What is the big secret in owning the mainstream media, and appealing to
fear and bigotry?

--
Tom Sherman
The mainstream media? You mean the New York Times,perhaps CBS ,60 ,minutes?
 
"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote:

> We could debate that all next year but my feeling is Kerry was no different
> than Dukakis, Gore and McGovern, nominate the usual extreme lefty then pass
> him off as a moderate, to bad they can't stomach going for a REAL moderate


As a Canadian, I find it a hoot when some Americans use the term
"extreme lefty" for someone like Kerry! Man, what would you folks do
with a real socialist? Wait a minute, I already have an idea! ;o)

Three things I like about Canadian elections vs. American:

1) Religion rarely enters into it. If it does (and always from the
Right) they usually get ignored or told to cool it.

2) Very rarely do candidates wrap themselves in the flag and try to
say their opponents are not "patriotic".

3) We have more viable party choices
(http://enr.elections.ca/National_e.aspx).

And if some Americans want to move here to get away from an
increasingly polarized political climate then come on up! ;o)

Mark
 

>> "Ogg Oggiby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Maybe this is why Muslims are afraid to speak out about the accepted
>>> abuse of women by followers of Islam:
>>>
>>> AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A Dutch filmmaker who had received death
>>> threats after releasing a movie criticizing the treatment of women under
>>> Islam was slain in Amsterdam on Tuesday, police said.
>>> A suspect, a 26-year-old man with dual Dutch-Moroccan nationality, was
>>> arrested after a shootout with officers that left him wounded, police
>>> said.

>>
>>

Follow up to the above story.

Netherlands bracing for Jihad because woman speaks out about abuse to Muslim
women.

Details here in Washington Times: http://tinyurl.com/4nl28
 
"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:9Vqid.115375$Pl.93116@pd7tw1no...
>>> We are already doing what I advocate doing and that is hunting down and
>>> killing the Islamic terrorists. Afghanistan was a huge success and Iraq
>>> will be too provided we stay the course.

>>
>> Bwhahahahahahahahahaha!!! You are dense. "Afghanistan was a huge
>> success"... right... It's only a "success" because United Nations Peace
>> Keepers are present. You can't consider it "huge" because Bin Laden
>> managed to "slip through our fingers".

>
> UBL has been rendered helpless. What does one man matter when you have
> rendered his organization ineffectual.


Heh... He's one "head" on a "Hydra" that practically encircles the world.
If you for one minute believe that his organization has been rendered
"ineffectual" you're even more naive than I thought.


>
> The UN won't step into Iraq because the war
>> we started there was both *illegal* and *wrong-headed*. Bush has been
>> elected to another four year term. That means more American soldiers are
>> going to *die* in Iraq for the "great lie" he keeps spouting...

>
> What is a legal war and what is an illegal war? I have never heard of any
> such nonsense. All nations are sovereign.


*Exactly*. The US invaded Iraq *against* any formal sanction by the UN.
And for what?? "WMD"?? "Terrorists"??


> [...]
>
>>> The IRA was universally condemned not only by the Church but by the
>>> government and people of Ireland. They had to operate underground for
>>> this very reason. The Palestinian terrorists do not operate underground.
>>> They operate out in the open and have the approval of the Palestinian
>>> Authority (Arafat) and of the Muslim Arabs residing in Palestine. It was
>>> the same with al-Qaeda under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

>>
>> Aux contraire, mon ami. Arafat has openly condemned Terrorist activity.

>
> Arafat supports terrorism whether he would like to or not. If he did not
> go along with it he would be assassinated forthwith.


Arafat has been a moderating influence. If nothing else, you have to
recognize that.


>
> Do
>> you think for one minute Israel would allow him to live if they remotely
>> suspected he supported such activities??

>
> Yes, because of world opinion composed of idiots like you. It I were in
> charge, Arafat would have been dead and moldering in his grave long ago.
> Let us all hope that he will soon die, Allah willing of course!


This is but one reason why you and I are different. I would never wish
death on anyone.


>
> You are naive!! You must have
>> missed the CNN coverage of 9/11 not to have witnessed the statement
>> issued by the Taliban condemning the attacks on the twin towers. I don't
>> believe for one minute that they weren't "chuckling into their turbans"
>> the whole time, but at least they *did* publicly state their sympathies
>> for the innocent lives lost. As for the "IRA"... the Church in Ireland
>> have done very little in the way of influencing the various members of
>> their congregations (one way or the other). You can actually compare the
>> Terrorists in Ireland with the the ones in the Middle East.

>
> Nope, you can't for reasons already stated in a previous post of mine.


What... They aren't "well funded" or "organized"??


> [...]
>
>>> Muslim terrorists can not be handled by the police and the courts.

>>
>> They can, and they have. Remember the Trade Center bombings??

>
> The terrorism continued. That is just one of the reasons why we are at war
> besides 9/11. The only way to stop them is to destroy them via warfare.


Who are we at war with?? What country is "Terrorism" exactly?



> [...]
>
>>> If you are against the war, it would be best to shut up about it.

>>
>> I'm against a war we can't win. I was against Vietnam as well. We took
>> a long time to admit we were actually "in a war". Refresh my memory...
>> did Congress actually declare ware on North Vietnam??

>
> You are only for wars that you can win?


Let me put it this way... I'm against a war that has no clear objective, or
doesn't have an identifiable "enemy". Without either of the above, we're
sending our troops into another "meat grinder" and that, my friend, is just
plain wrong!


>
> Congressional declarations of war are no longer necessary. A congressional
> resolution to authorize the president to do whatever he wants with respect
> to a given situation is all that is necessary. Everyone understands this.
> Where have you been for the past half century.


I sincerely doubt Congress has given one man such "sweeping powers". If
they ever do, then we're all in deep trouble.


>
> A resort to legalistic arguments is the last refuge of a scoundrel who
> hates America and wants to see her brought low.


Arguing for "truth, justice, and freedom" is treasonous?? What "planet" are
you from??


> Frank Olson is more French than he is American.


My father was first generation American. His father emigrated here from
Sweden. I'm second generation American and understand the difference
between the freedoms representative of our present way of life and the "dark
ages" you would want to put us back into. You espouse persecuting anyone
that's Arabic or Muslim because you equate these two groups (both seperately
and collectively) as "Terrorists", just as ****** equated anyone "Jewish"
with being an "enemy of the state".

> He would surely be happier in that benighted nation than he is even in
> Canada, where there is still some manhood and machismo left. Only the
> eternally effeminate and cowardly French would suit a pacifist like him.


I'd be happier in the knowledge that people with your extreme views are
never given a legitimate voice. I'm glad you're relegated to USENET where
you you can be categorized as a harmless "kook" and ignored at the touch of
a button.


>
> I am for America, not for the Constitution and other scraps of paper
> mouthing legalistic mumbo-jumbo about governance. The nation - first, last
> and always.


The Constitution *defines* our nation. The Bill of Rights defines the way
we treat others. Without either, America would be ruled by the very people
you say you despise.
 
"Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Sometimes I feel no one cares about these women and children. Frank Olson
> doesn't seem to care. Tom Sherman doesn't seem to care. Peter Clinch
> doesn't seem to care. Feminist leaders don't seem to care. Americans
> don't seem to care. Europeans don't seem to care. Who does care?



<snip> As a financial supporter of Amnesty International, *I* do care.
There's not much *I* (as an indivdual) can do about what's happening in
other countries. For your information I also support CARE and the
International Red Cross. I also *care* about what's happening in my
community and volunteer for a local community service organization where I
supervise young offenders that have been sentenced by the courts to perform
work in the community. I very much resent individuals like you that don't
know anything about me making comments on "what I care (or don't care)
about", just as much as I find being called "a traitor" to my country
because I don't support a "made up war" against a sovereign state
disturbing.
 
"Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> Sometimes I feel no one cares about these women and children. Frank Olson
>> doesn't seem to care. Tom Sherman doesn't seem to care. Peter Clinch
>> doesn't seem to care. Feminist leaders don't seem to care. Americans
>> don't seem to care. Europeans don't seem to care. Who does care?

>
>
> <snip> As a financial supporter of Amnesty International, *I* do care.
> There's not much *I* (as an indivdual) can do about what's happening in
> other countries. For your information I also support CARE and the
> International Red Cross. I also *care* about what's happening in my
> community and volunteer for a local community service organization where I
> supervise young offenders that have been sentenced by the courts to
> perform work in the community. I very much resent individuals like you
> that don't know anything about me making comments on "what I care (or
> don't care) about", just as much as I find being called "a traitor" to my
> country because I don't support a "made up war" against a sovereign state
> disturbing.
>

I'm glad to learn you are a good person who does volunteer work within your
community and supports CARE along with those other organizations.

I said you didn't *seem* to care about the abuse of women and female
children under Islam since you chose not to condemn the activity, but
instead to extol the virtues of Islam. The same goes for Tom Sherman who
prefers to bash Christianity and refer us to cartoon sites making jokes of
hanging women and stoning children in lieu of condemning these atrocities.

We've already covered the point there is not much you can do about what is
happening in other counties. As I told you earlier at least you could speak
up, take a stand, and condemn the abuse. You could even do that now if
wished.
 
Frank Olson wrote:

> ...
> Arafat has been a moderating influence. If nothing else, you have to
> recognize that....


Here is a column about Arafat [1] by Jude Wanniski, formerly of the Wall
Street Journal (a paper known for excellent reporting and far right
editorials). Mr. Wanniski correctly noted that Arafat has been demonized
primarily as a knee-jerk reaction to the views of well-known Arab and
Palestinian hater Ariel Sharon (who killed the negotiations with the
Palestinians).

When Arafat dies (likely within the next few days) what will the Israeli
excuse not to negotiate with the Palestinians be?

> This is but one reason why you and I are different. I would never wish
> death on anyone....


Some people would be better off dead; primarily those whose health has
deteriorated to the point that they will never get out of a hospital
bed. Sometimes the humane action is to late nature take its course.

[1]
<http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/34008138-CC69-4981-8DF4-4A52D03B5A08.htm>.

--
Tom Sherman – Greater QCA
 
Mark wrote:

> ...
> And if some Americans want to move here to get away from an
> increasingly polarized political climate then come on up! ;o)


I believe that Canada should pass a law (like the US) granting automatic
citizenship to anyone born there.

--
Tom Sherman – Greater QCA
 
Ogg Oggibly wrote:

> ...
> I said you didn't *seem* to care about the abuse of women and female
> children under Islam since you chose not to condemn the activity, but
> instead to extol the virtues of Islam. The same goes for Tom Sherman who
> prefers to bash Christianity and refer us to cartoon sites making jokes of
> hanging women and stoning children in lieu of condemning these atrocities....


I see that O.O. completely missed the point of the links I posted. The
site is not making fun of hanging or stoning, by rather pointing out the
less pleasant side of Old Testament Law.

Based on this post, I suspect that O.O. has trouble getting the points
of most political cartoons (which are serious, and not jokes).

Why do I feel that I am arguing with the 7 blind men about what an
elephant is during these OT discussions?

--
Tom Sherman – Greater QCA
"Use your head, Mr. Ed" – Slugger
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Ogg Oggibly (a pseudonym, no doubt) wrote:

[...]
>>>>Based on your response in this post I am assured my original judgement
>>>>on Tom Sherman was fully accurate. You find humor in 13 and 16 year old
>>>>Muslim girls suffering brutal deaths for "being less than chaste".
>>>>
>>>>I have no respect for you at all. I have the same distain for you that
>>>>I reserve for Muslim holy men casting stones at girls. May you have an
>>>>unhappy life, which I sense you have already embarked upon.
>>>
>>>"Ogg Oggibly" (a pseudonym, no doubt) shows a lack of ability (in this
>>>case at least) to comprehend anything beyond simplistic statements. If
>>>he/she? thinks my post was intended in humor, he/she? has completely
>>>missed the point.
>>>
>>>Think about it for a while, and figure it out before you bother replying.

>>
>>
>> You ought to know by now that I for one will never go to a link of yours
>> unless I get a full and complete explanation of what I will find there.
>>
>> In any event, it is not adequate to respond to what Ogg had written with
>> links. You needed to say something directly to what he had said. Or can't
>> you tell a good and profound post like Ogg's from the usual rotten ****
>> that you and I write to one another. If you can't, then maybe it is time
>> for you to leave this group and join one of those other forums like
>> Monkey Island which is nothing but ****, ****, ****.

>
> My links pointed that the horrible actions of stoning and hanging that
> O.O. was accusing Muslims of is in accordance with the Old Testament, and
> therefore also a part of Christianity (and of course Judaism).


Then you should have so stated that by way of introduction to your link.
Here it is again:

"You ought to know by now that I for one will never go to a link of yours
unless I get a full and complete explanation of what I will find there."

But more to the point, Islam has been on this planet almost as long as
Christianity and yet it remains as primitive today as was the Old Testament
and Mediaeval Christianity. You make my point for me without even realizing
it.

> O.O. thinking that the links I posted were meant to be humorous reveals a
> lack on his/her? part of looking beyond the surface.
>
> The other misunderstanding is that I am not a news organization trying to
> present a balanced story. There are many people condemning actions of
> groups such as Hamas, the Iranian religious authorities, Saddam Hussein
> (when he was in power), etc. Instead of repeating what is being said over
> and over, I point out unpleasant things that hardly ever get said, such as
> the US support for totalitarian regimes over democratic ones, killing of
> civilians by the IDF, etc. It is above providing counter-balance to
> mainstream views that are anything but balanced.


Yes, I have noted where you are coming from, but my disagreement with you is
that you are just plain wrongheaded in your thinking on most subjects. The
predominant liberal media of this country gives us all your points of view
already. It is my viewpoint that is under represented, not yours.

> P.S. Monkey Island is only 90% "poo flinging", trash talk, and unwarranted
> allegations of deviant sexual behavior on the part of well known
> personages within the recumbent community. The rest is actual recumbent
> and racing discussion.


But the racing discussion is as repellent to me as is everything else there.
It is strictly for juvenile mentalities. Nothing on this earth is more
tiresome than trash talk. Isn't that what rap music is all about? I try to
keep it to a minimum myself and I will include some substance in most of my
posts because I want to be read by intelligent people, not juvenile idiots.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
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> "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > We could debate that all next year but my feeling is Kerry was no

different
> > than Dukakis, Gore and McGovern, nominate the usual extreme lefty then

pass
> > him off as a moderate, to bad they can't stomach going for a REAL

moderate
>
> As a Canadian, I find it a hoot when some Americans use the term
> "extreme lefty" for someone like Kerry! Man, what would you folks do
> with a real socialist? Wait a minute, I already have an idea! ;o)


Agreed but Kerry is an extreme lefty going by US standards, I'm sure thats
nothing compared to what you guys have up there :)