Re: OT Flame War



"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>
>> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Ogg Oggibly wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>...
>>>>Sometimes I feel no one cares about these women and children. Frank
>>>>Olson doesn't seem to care. Tom Sherman doesn't seem to care....
>>>
>>>You should stop making mistaken assumptions like this, as it does not
>>>reflect well on your judgement.

>>
>>
>> Ogg has got it exactly right. Your kind of thinking leads to the stoning
>> of girls in Muslim lands. What would you do about it? Nothing of course.
>> Just the same way that you would have done nothing about Sadaam's Iraq.
>> Thank God no one, but no one, listens to fools like you.

>
> I would have avoided the policy that created Saddam Hussein's Iraq - the
> intelligent course is not to create problems that have no good solutions.


The Arabs create their own problems for themselves without any help from the
West.

>>>>...The youth movement in Iran cares. I've read they were encouraged by
>>>>the Bush re-election and are secretly flashing the V for victory signs
>>>>to each other. Im sure they are hoping Americans will come and chase
>>>>the Mullahs back to the caves just as they did in Afghanistan....
>>>
>>>On what right-wing propaganda site or rag did you read this? Bush
>>>strengthened the position of the hard-liners in Iran greatly when he made
>>>his utterly ridiculous "Axis of Evil" statement.

>>
>>
>> The only thing that is"utterly ridiculous" is you. You also no doubt did
>> not appreciate Reagan's statement about the "evil empire" as applied to
>> the Soviet Union. I wonder how it feels to always be on the wrong side of
>> history. Only Mr. Sherman can answer that question as that is where he
>> has been all of his life.

>
> The Soviet Union ended because of Gorbachev's reforms. Reagan's hard-line
> stance made it more difficult for Gorbachev to put his reforms in place,
> since it strengthened the Soviet hard-liners (just like Bush II and Iran).


The Soviet Union fell like a rotten apple because they could not keep up
with our defense expenditures under Reagan. Reagan got it exactly right and
you got it exactly wrong.

> Time for someone to look at some sources other than the mainstream US
> media.
>
>>>Iran has three times the population of Iraq and is much more unified
>>>culturally than Iraq. (After all it is a thousands of years old nation,
>>>and not a post WW1 creation of European colonials.) A US invasion would
>>>unite the people almost universally against the occupying forces. An
>>>occupation would be even less successful than in Iraq, because there
>>>would be much fewer collaborators available to purchase.

>>
>>
>> Everything is going very well in Iraq, no thanks to you and your ilk....

>
> Mr. Ed does not believe this nonsense, but likes to say it.


The Iraqi War was won from the beginning. What is going on now is merely a
mopping up operation. Our casualties are minimal. The solution of course is
for the Iraqis to take charge of their own security. All the US need do is
make sure that another Sadaam never emerges from there again. I think we
may have to stay there in force for about 5 years or so.

Another possible solution that occurs to me is that perhaps Iraq should
break up into three parts, a Kurdish north, a Sunni center and a Shia south.
The US would be the guarantor of all their security from any outside
interference.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> Sometimes I feel no one cares about these women and children. Frank Olson
>> doesn't seem to care. Tom Sherman doesn't seem to care. Peter Clinch
>> doesn't seem to care. Feminist leaders don't seem to care. Americans
>> don't seem to care. Europeans don't seem to care. Who does care?

>
>
> <snip> As a financial supporter of Amnesty International, *I* do care.
> There's not much *I* (as an indivdual) can do about what's happening in
> other countries. For your information I also support CARE and the
> International Red Cross. I also *care* about what's happening in my
> community and volunteer for a local community service organization where I
> supervise young offenders that have been sentenced by the courts to
> perform work in the community. I very much resent individuals like you
> that don't know anything about me making comments on "what I care (or
> don't care) about", just as much as I find being called "a traitor" to my
> country because I don't support a "made up war" against a sovereign state
> disturbing.


You are quite correct in stating that there is not much an individual can do
about most of the problems in the world. That is one of the reasons why we
have national governments - which can do something about the problems in
the world. But you are forever on the wrong side when it comes to choosing a
good national government.

Bush is doing more about the world's problems, which you profess to be
interested in, than Clinton ever did. Liberals are good at talking about
problems, but horrible at ever DOING anything about them. That is because it
takes guts to take on evil in the world, something that liberals prove they
never have over and over again.

Kerry would have cut and run from Iraq. How would that have solved anything?

Like all liberals, you salve your guilty conscience by doing minor good
works (mosly giving money to "causes") and always neglecting the great good
work that can be accomplished by a just war.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:

[...]
>> My brother (he lives in a Chicago suburb) tells me that the Illinois
>> Republicans are the most ****ed up party in the entire country. He must
>> be right if someone like Obama could win there. Ah, for the good old days
>> of Senator Dirkson....

>
> In 2002 the Illinois Republican's campaign for US Senate consisted of the
> hope that enough people would get confused between Durbin and Durkin to
> vote for Durkin. Durkin could not even raise enough money for television
> advertisements.


Apparently the Chicago Metro completely dominates Illinois politics as I
know the rest of the state can't be that screwed up.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Casaloma is outstanding. Hopefully it would be good enough for Mr. Redford.
> In the long run Canada would probably work out better for him than Ireland
> might.
>
> The 500% increase in hits on the Canadian immigration website right after
> the election can, for the most part I trust, be attributed to disgruntled
> American socialists looking for a new situation and inquiring as to what
> Canada is willing to provide for them. Their needs would primarily be in
> the areas of subsidized housing and transportation, tuition free education,
> subsidized food, and free medical care. They would also require a
> guaranteed living wage based on a 35 hour employment week culminating in a
> guaranteed living retirement income.


Hey, I live here and what to know how I can get all that stuff! The
only folks who might get subsidies are on welfare (a whopping
$525/month here in Ontario, which as not changed in over ten years) or
in the case of housing have been able to get into a co-op (the waiting
lists for those are about two years long). Living wage? Minimum wage
is around $7/hr. Education? Sure, the first 12 grades of school have
no tuition, but our universities are certainly not free.
Transportation? Well, like all transit systems, ours are partially
funded by various levels of gov't. But like everywhere else the
motorists use the public roads under gov't.subsidy too.

Our health system is currently stumbling due to all sorts of problems,
and many folks are suggesting some private firms be allowed in to help
out. But then others say that will lead to a two-tier system - instant
quality care for those with big $$ and **** for everyone else. Most
Canadian don't seem too comfortable with that idea.

> If Canada can meet their requirements I'm sure they will come even though
> the weather may be a bit harsh for their liking. There's not much that can
> be done about Canada's weather unfortunately.


Wimp. ;o) The weather is of course the same as the northern U.S
states. except maybe just colder in winter. And I cycle year-round in
the world's coldest capital city (Ottawa). You can read a story about
that at:

http://vic.gedris.org/pics/2003-01-19/

(Some times we even do silly things, like tow a Hammond organ via
human power through a parade:
http://hpv.tricolour.net/organ-trailer.html )

Here we have nice warm summers, beautiful autumns (there's nothing
like the changing colours of the leaves) and winters that make you
either run away and hide under a blanket, or run outside and go Yahoo!

There's skating on the world's longest skating rink:

http://www.canadascapital.gc.ca/skateway/index_e.asp and

http://www.rideau-info.com/canal/images/winter/img-winterlude3.html

Skiing on 200km of trails across the river in the Gatineau Park:

http://www.freewheeling.ca/tours/gatineau.htm

Or ice-triking on the frozen canal!

http://hpv.tricolour.net/2002-03-06.html

So what's not to like about Canadian winters? ;o)

Mark (now awaiting his cheque from the Ottawa tourist board)
 
Mark wrote:

> ...
> Our health system is currently stumbling due to all sorts of problems,
> and many folks are suggesting some private firms be allowed in to help
> out. But then others say that will lead to a two-tier system - instant
> quality care for those with big $$ and **** for everyone else. Most
> Canadian don't seem too comfortable with that idea.


In the US there is a three tier system: excellent health care for the
rich, rationed health care with large co-payments and deductibles for
the middle class, and going to the emergency room when really sick for
the lower class.

>>If Canada can meet their requirements I'm sure they will come even though
>>the weather may be a bit harsh for their liking. There's not much that can
>>be done about Canada's weather unfortunately....

>
> So what's not to like about Canadian winters? ;o)


I used to live in Quebec City where they have real winter. ;)

--
Tom Sherman – Greater QCA
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Frank Olson wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Arafat has been a moderating influence. If nothing else, you have to
>> recognize that....

>
> Here is a column about Arafat [1] by Jude Wanniski, formerly of the Wall
> Street Journal (a paper known for excellent reporting and far right
> editorials). Mr. Wanniski correctly noted that Arafat has been demonized
> primarily as a knee-jerk reaction to the views of well-known Arab and
> Palestinian hater Ariel Sharon (who killed the negotiations with the
> Palestinians).


Any Jew who does not hate Arabs and Palestinians has got to have rocks in
his head. Arafat is nothing if not a terrorist.

> When Arafat dies (likely within the next few days) what will the Israeli
> excuse not to negotiate with the Palestinians be?


Maybe the Palestinians will have their long delayed civil war and thrash it
out among themselves. Let us hope if that eventually comes to past that the
slaughter will be very great and that few Palestinians will remain breathing
at the end of it all. Good riddance to the lot of them.The only good
Palestinian is a dead Palestinian. Our pioneer forefathers had it right
about the Indians, but the Jews in Israel are nearly so smart.

>> This is but one reason why you and I are different. I would never wish
>> death on anyone....

>
> Some people would be better off dead; primarily those whose health has
> deteriorated to the point that they will never get out of a hospital bed.
> Sometimes the humane action is to late nature take its course.


I myself have decided to no longer bother with this Frank Olson nut case who
has fled to Canada. At least not until he says something sensible. The
chances of that are nil since he is a liberal pacifist.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Casaloma is outstanding. Hopefully it would be good enough for Mr.
>> Redford.
>> In the long run Canada would probably work out better for him than
>> Ireland
>> might.
>>
>> The 500% increase in hits on the Canadian immigration website right after
>> the election can, for the most part I trust, be attributed to disgruntled
>> American socialists looking for a new situation and inquiring as to what
>> Canada is willing to provide for them. Their needs would primarily be in
>> the areas of subsidized housing and transportation, tuition free
>> education,
>> subsidized food, and free medical care. They would also require a
>> guaranteed living wage based on a 35 hour employment week culminating in
>> a
>> guaranteed living retirement income.

>
> Hey, I live here and what to know how I can get all that stuff! The
> only folks who might get subsidies are on welfare (a whopping
> $525/month here in Ontario, which as not changed in over ten years) or
> in the case of housing have been able to get into a co-op (the waiting
> lists for those are about two years long). Living wage? Minimum wage
> is around $7/hr. Education? Sure, the first 12 grades of school have
> no tuition, but our universities are certainly not free.
> Transportation? Well, like all transit systems, ours are partially
> funded by various levels of gov't. But like everywhere else the
> motorists use the public roads under gov't.subsidy too.
>
> Our health system is currently stumbling due to all sorts of problems,
> and many folks are suggesting some private firms be allowed in to help
> out. But then others say that will lead to a two-tier system - instant
> quality care for those with big $$ and **** for everyone else. Most
> Canadian don't seem too comfortable with that idea.



I'm sorry to say that I believe the American disgruntled democrats are going
to need a bit more government assistance than is currently available to make
the move.


>
>> If Canada can meet their requirements I'm sure they will come even though
>> the weather may be a bit harsh for their liking. There's not much that
>> can
>> be done about Canada's weather unfortunately.

>
> Wimp. ;o) The weather is of course the same as the northern U.S
> states. except maybe just colder in winter. And I cycle year-round in
> the world's coldest capital city (Ottawa). You can read a story about
> that at:
>
> http://vic.gedris.org/pics/2003-01-19/
>
> (Some times we even do silly things, like tow a Hammond organ via
> human power through a parade:
> http://hpv.tricolour.net/organ-trailer.html )
>
> Here we have nice warm summers, beautiful autumns (there's nothing
> like the changing colours of the leaves) and winters that make you
> either run away and hide under a blanket, or run outside and go Yahoo!
>
> There's skating on the world's longest skating rink:
>
> http://www.canadascapital.gc.ca/skateway/index_e.asp and
>
> http://www.rideau-info.com/canal/images/winter/img-winterlude3.html
>
> Skiing on 200km of trails across the river in the Gatineau Park:
>
> http://www.freewheeling.ca/tours/gatineau.htm
>
> Or ice-triking on the frozen canal!
>
> http://hpv.tricolour.net/2002-03-06.html
>
> So what's not to like about Canadian winters? ;o)


Oh sure it's all fun and games for the first few years then you start
noticing that those winters are real loooong. Then when April comes all
your friends with money are in Mexico or some such place and you are left
there with the melting dirty snow. The stuff underneath that dirty snow is
ugly - real ugly. And you know flowers are blooming in places like Indiana
and you long to be there.

I've been there and done that.

>
> Mark (now awaiting his cheque from the Ottawa tourist board)


Yes. You are enthusiastic representative and deserve what ever they send
you.
 
"Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

[...]
>> Frank Olson is more French than he is American.

>
> My father was first generation American. His father emigrated here from
> Sweden. I'm second generation American and understand the difference
> between the freedoms representative of our present way of life and the
> "dark ages" you would want to put us back into. You espouse persecuting
> anyone that's Arabic or Muslim because you equate these two groups (both
> seperately and collectively) as "Terrorists", just as ****** equated
> anyone "Jewish" with being an "enemy of the state".


Your father and your grandfather are most likely turning over in their grave
at the disgraceful conduct of their son and grandson. You obviously have no
family pride at all and are the biggest black sheep ever known in the entire
history of the world.

I most definitely am in favor or persecuting to the death those whom I
regard as the enemy based on good and sufficient evidence (9/11 and many
other acts of war). So far this enemy can be identified as Muslim extremists
mainly emanating from the Middle East. I think that is the reason why we are
in Afghanistan and Iraq. Iran may be next.

>> He would surely be happier in that benighted nation than he is even in
>> Canada, where there is still some manhood and machismo left. Only the
>> eternally effeminate and cowardly French would suit a pacifist like him.

>
> I'd be happier in the knowledge that people with your extreme views are
> never given a legitimate voice. I'm glad you're relegated to USENET where
> you you can be categorized as a harmless "kook" and ignored at the touch
> of a button.


Why are you capitalizing Usenet through out? Do the letters stand for
something?

My views are those of George Bush (my President, not yours - because you are
an American turncoat who has fled to Canada, ever the refuge of U.S.
military deserters and other assorted American trash), but of course he can
never say openly what he really thinks of all the slobs in the world like I
can. If I were a politician running for office, I couldn't say it either
because I would have to court idiot voters like you.

You need to start reading some conservative commentators. Since you are on
Usenet, I assume you can also get other web sites which are replete with a
variety of commentators on the news of the world. If you are only reading
liberal commentators, then you are missing 99.99 % of the truth.

>> I am for America, not for the Constitution and other scraps of paper
>> mouthing legalistic mumbo-jumbo about governance. The nation - first,
>> last and always.

>
> The Constitution *defines* our nation. The Bill of Rights defines the way
> we treat others. Without either, America would be ruled by the very
> people you say you despise.


You confuse the Republic with the Nation. All liberals make this very
fundamental mistake. Libertarians also make this mistake even worse than
liberals. ****** (not the best example I will admit) never confused a form
of governance with the Nation, in his case the German Nation (People).
Nations are forged by their histories and we Americans have enough history
behind us that we are a forged nation like any other in Europe.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota
 
"Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The 500% increase in hits on the Canadian immigration website right after
> the election can, for the most part I trust, be attributed to disgruntled
> American socialists looking for a new situation and inquiring as to what
> Canada is willing to provide for them. Their needs would primarily be in
> the areas of subsidized housing and transportation, tuition free

education,
> subsidized food, and free medical care. They would also require a
> guaranteed living wage based on a 35 hour employment week culminating in a
> guaranteed living retirement income.
>
> If Canada can meet their requirements I'm sure they will come even though
> the weather may be a bit harsh for their liking. There's not much that

can
> be done about Canada's weather unfortunately.


Not gonna happen, liberals will talk about moving but will never really do
it (unless of course they are running away from a war or something). And the
only reason they talk about doing it isn't because they think they know what
is going on up there but what they think is going on down here
 
Mark Leuck wrote:

> "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I used to live in Quebec City where they have real winter. ;)

>
>
> How much did you ride while up there?


At the time I was riding a fixed-gear, front wheel drive, front wheel
steering, upright delta trike.

--
Tom Sherman – Greater QCA
 
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mark Leuck wrote:
>
> > "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>I used to live in Quebec City where they have real winter. ;)

> >
> >
> > How much did you ride while up there?

>
> At the time I was riding a fixed-gear, front wheel drive, front wheel
> steering, upright delta trike.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman – Greater QCA


Childs trike?
 
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:30:34 -0600, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote in message
<[email protected]>:

>In the US there is a three tier system: excellent health care for the
>rich, rationed health care with large co-payments and deductibles for
>the middle class, and going to the emergency room when really sick for
>the lower class.


Oh go on, compare it with the far better system in Cuba, that always
sets the right-wing whacknuts off ;-)

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University
 
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:38:23 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>Any Jew who does not hate Arabs and Palestinians has got to have rocks in
>his head. Arafat is nothing if not a terrorist.


This goes to the heart of the matter: hate. You continue to preach a
doctrine of hate which is also not uncommon in neocons. Apparently
they missed the bit of the Bible about "love thy neighbour". It's not
like Jesus said this was one of the most important rules in life or
anything, is it? Oh, right.

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University
 
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:38:23 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
>wrote in message <[email protected]>:
>
>
>>Any Jew who does not hate Arabs and Palestinians has got to have rocks in
>>his head. Arafat is nothing if not a terrorist.
>>
>>

>
>This goes to the heart of the matter: hate. You continue to preach a
>doctrine of hate which is also not uncommon in neocons. Apparently
>they missed the bit of the Bible about "love thy neighbour". It's not
>like Jesus said this was one of the most important rules in life or
>anything, is it? Oh, right.
>
>Guy
>
>


Actually, it seems to be both hate and fear (of course, doesn't hate
come from fear?). Conservatives tend to play up the fear element, and
keeping people scared also means they are easier to control. Witness
the U.S. PATRIOT Act...

Mark
 
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:30:34 -0600, Tom Sherman
><[email protected]> wrote in message
><[email protected]>:
>
>
>>In the US there is a three tier system: excellent health care for the
>>rich, rationed health care with large co-payments and deductibles for
>>the middle class, and going to the emergency room when really sick for
>>the lower class.
>>
>>

>
>Oh go on, compare it with the far better system in Cuba, that always
>sets the right-wing whacknuts off ;-)
>
>Guy
>
>


Oh, that's too easy - it's like shooting fish in a barrel! ;o)

How about:

'A people living under the perpetual menace of war and invasion is very
easy to govern. It demands no social reforms. It does not haggle over
expenditures on armaments and military equipment. It pays without
discussion, it ruins itself, and that is an excellent thing for the
syndicates of financiers and manufacturers for whom patriotic terrors
are an abundant source of gain.' Anatole France

Haliburton, anyone?

And check this page to see how JFK defined being a liberal:

http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/whatis.html

Mark
 
"Mark Rehder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:30:34 -0600, Tom Sherman
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>><[email protected]>:
>>
>>>In the US there is a three tier system: excellent health care for the
>>>rich, rationed health care with large co-payments and deductibles for the
>>>middle class, and going to the emergency room when really sick for the
>>>lower class.
>>>

>>
>>Oh go on, compare it with the far better system in Cuba, that always
>>sets the right-wing whacknuts off ;-)
>>
>>Guy
>>

>
> Oh, that's too easy - it's like shooting fish in a barrel! ;o)
>
> How about:
> 'A people living under the perpetual menace of war and invasion is very
> easy to govern. It demands no social reforms. It does not haggle over
> expenditures on armaments and military equipment. It pays without
> discussion, it ruins itself, and that is an excellent thing for the
> syndicates of financiers and manufacturers for whom patriotic terrors are
> an abundant source of gain.' Anatole France
>
> Haliburton, anyone?
>
> And check this page to see how JFK defined being a liberal:
>
> http://www.cjnetworks.com/~cubsfan/whatis.html
>
> Mark
>


What I can't understand is why all those Cubans are risking their lives to
come to the USA on rafts and inner tubes and giving up their "far better"
health care system. Perhaps they are all rich as some liberals think you
must be to get on in the USA.

Liberals sure have changed in the last forty years. JFK said ask not what
your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country.
They've done a 180 on that one.

Anatole France would be correct if the possibility of others invading or
attacking you didn't exist.
 
> Yeah...right ! I suspect hell would freeze over first.....:))

I've been too busy to spend much time on USENET lately. As to Sabodish,
there's not much chance he'll ever make peace. His ranting is on no
consequence anyway.
 
"Mark Rehder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:38:23 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> >wrote in message <[email protected]>:
> >
> >
> >>Any Jew who does not hate Arabs and Palestinians has got to have rocks

in
> >>his head. Arafat is nothing if not a terrorist.
> >>
> >>

> >
> >This goes to the heart of the matter: hate. You continue to preach a
> >doctrine of hate which is also not uncommon in neocons. Apparently
> >they missed the bit of the Bible about "love thy neighbour". It's not
> >like Jesus said this was one of the most important rules in life or
> >anything, is it? Oh, right.
> >
> >Guy
> >
> >

>
> Actually, it seems to be both hate and fear (of course, doesn't hate
> come from fear?). Conservatives tend to play up the fear element, and
> keeping people scared also means they are easier to control. Witness
> the U.S. PATRIOT Act...
>
> Mark


I could be wrong but if I recall Kerry was the one talking about a draft and
elder citizens losing social security

Who's scaring who?
 
"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:30:34 -0600, Tom Sherman
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>In the US there is a three tier system: excellent health care for the
>>rich, rationed health care with large co-payments and deductibles for
>>the middle class, and going to the emergency room when really sick for
>>the lower class.

>
> Oh go on, compare it with the far better system in Cuba, that always
> sets the right-wing whacknuts off ;-)


There is more to life than affordable health care, but I will admit when you
get old and sick and are without any health insurance, it can get pretty
dicey here in the US of A. I suppose the real solution is for all of us not
to be living so long. We should all arrange to die sooner, thereby sparing
society the expense of keeping us alive. The trouble is, funerals are damn
expensive now too. The question arises - is it more expensive to go on
living or to die?

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota