Re: OT Flame War

[Tom Sherman]

Dave Larrington wrote:

> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>>The Dutch don't like the English any better than
>>the French do.
>
>
> Bzzzt! Wrong. As a sweeping generalisation, the Dutch dislike the
> /Germans/ intensely, and not just because retreating German forces
> "liberated" their bicycles in 1944. A group of us once got a mouthful of
> abuse from a little old lady in a Lelystad supermarket. We were puzzled by
> this, but things were soon straightened when, after apologising profusely,
> she explained that she had mistaken us for Germans. The only Englishman
> they're not too fond of, AFAIK, is Field Marshal Montgomery.

Holland is the greatest nation in the world.

Why you ask?

Simple. They build more lowracers per capita than any other nation.

--
Tom Sherman - Greater QCA

 

[Tom Sherman]

Ogg Oggibly wrote:

> ...
> Jihad - A war by Muslims against unbelievers or enemies of Islam, carried
> out as a religious duty.
>
> Webster's New World College Dictionary

Webster needs to get a better translator. This may be how “Jihad” is
commonly used in the US by English speakers, but it is wrong.

--
Tom Sherman - Greater QCA

 

[Tom Sherman]

Ogg Oggibly wrote:

> ...
> The following is a letter Amnesty International USA sent to the president of
> Sudan:
>
> "Dear Mr. President:
> I am writing to express my deep concern about acts of violence against women
> committed by the Janjawid militia in the Darfur conflict and to urge you to
> take action and to protect the women and girls of Darfur.
>
> Amnesty International (AI) delegates have interviewed hundreds of Sudanese
> refugees in Chad and have found that many of the human rights violations in
> Darfur have been targeted specifically against women and girls. These
> violations have included abductions, sexual slavery, torture and forced
> displacement.
>
> Almost every woman in Darfur is at risk of attack: pregnant women and girls
> as young as eight have not been spared from rape, abduction and sexual
> slavery. Women have been raped in public, terrorizing and humiliating them,
> their families and communities. Women have also been tortured to solicit
> information on the whereabouts of their husbands and other male survivors.
> Those who resist rape have been beaten, stabbed, or killed. The suffering
> and abuse endured by these women goes far beyond the actual rape. Women who
> survive this violence often suffer from severe mental and physical health
> problems, unwanted pregnancies, social stigmatization, and economic
> difficulties. Most of these abuses have been committed by the Janjawid
> militias which operate with your support and enjoy impunity for their
> actions....

This could well be a description of the way Orthodox Serbs treated
Muslim Bosnian women in the Balkan war of the early 1990's. Would you
claim that such behavior is typical of those who follow the Orthodox
Christian faith? Or is it more typical of the behavior in a conflict
driven by ethnic hatred?

--
Tom Sherman - Greater QCA

 

[Tom Sherman]

Ogg Oggibly wrote:

> ...
> Too bad you aren't in the USA. You could have made a small contribution to
> John Kerry's election loss with this kind of nonsense. I mean you are no
> Michael Moore, but you could have contributed.

Funny how all those exit polls had Kerry winning in Florida and Ohio,
but the electronically tabulated votes came out in Bush II's favor. Or
do you really think a precinct that voted 70% Democratic in the
primaries voted 60% for Bush II in the general election.

And of course we will likely never know if the electronic voting
machines with no paper trail were rigged - such devices are an
abomination to representative democracy.

--
Tom Sherman - Greater QCA

 

[Tom Sherman]

Edward Dolan wrote:

> ...The fact is that the poor in this country
> live better than do the poor in any other country in the world including
> Europe's poor....

Mr. Dolan opens his mouth and removes all doubt of his willful
ignorance. How is being homeless, hungry, and without medical care
better than having the provision of housing, food and medical care
guaranteed.

This has to be one of the most idiotic things Mr. Dolan has ever
written, which is saying a lot.

--
Tom Sherman - Greater QCA
Vote Ed Dolan for Village Idiot

 

[Tom Sherman]

Mark Rehder wrote:

> Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>
>>> But I sure do agree with you about one thing: the Muslims are still
>>> living in those centuries you mention above, certainly not in the
>>> 21st century.
>>>
>>
>>
>> And the Bible Belt fanatics who are backing this stupid 21st Century
>> crusade haven't actually made it past AD32 when, according to that
>> book they ought to be reading instead of thumping, Everything Changed.
>>
>> Guy
>>
>>
>
> Bible Belt? According to this map it's more like a Bible Girdle.
>
> https://home.comcast.net/~playon/2005Map.jpg

I would be willing to partition things that way.

--
Tom Sherman - Greater QCA

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dave Larrington wrote:
>
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >
> >>The Dutch don't like the English any better than
> >>the French do.
> >
> >
> > Bzzzt! Wrong. As a sweeping generalisation, the Dutch dislike the
> > /Germans/ intensely, and not just because retreating German forces
> > "liberated" their bicycles in 1944. A group of us once got a mouthful
of
> > abuse from a little old lady in a Lelystad supermarket. We were puzzled
by
> > this, but things were soon straightened when, after apologising
profusely,
> > she explained that she had mistaken us for Germans. The only Englishman
> > they're not too fond of, AFAIK, is Field Marshal Montgomery.
>
> Holland is the greatest nation in the world.
>
> Why you ask?
>
> Simple. They build more lowracers per capita than any other nation.

The Neatherlands builds more lowracers not Holland, and they aren't the same
country...sorta

http://www.archimon.nl/general/holland.html

As a lowracer owner I've always wondered why that was, at least 4 major
manufacturers all in one small country.

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > ...The fact is that the poor in this country
> > live better than do the poor in any other country in the world including
> > Europe's poor....
>
> Mr. Dolan opens his mouth and removes all doubt of his willful
> ignorance. How is being homeless, hungry, and without medical care
> better than having the provision of housing, food and medical care
> guaranteed.
>
> This has to be one of the most idiotic things Mr. Dolan has ever
> written, which is saying a lot.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Greater QCA
> Vote Ed Dolan for Village Idiot

Oddly enough Mr Dolan is correct on this one, the US government has this
habit of raising the poverty limit whenever statistical numbers become
lower, in other words what is considered poverty today is nothing like it
was back in the 30's. These days you can have basic housing, cars etc and
still be considered within the poverty level. (I know this because I was
once in that category)

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/04poverty.shtml

If you notice the minimum yearly earnings required to qualify ($9,310) for
one individual is FAR greater than what people make in MOST other countries
in the world. Also if you consider all the various government and private
organizations in the US that deal with the homeless, hungry etc one has no
excuse for not being able to find help if they need it which often isn't
available in many other countries

Flame me if you will but the stats do not support your opinion. You can
argue HOW it is being administered but not that it isn't available, now if
you don't mind I must throw up for agreeing with Mr Ed

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ogg Oggibly wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Too bad you aren't in the USA. You could have made a small contribution
to
> > John Kerry's election loss with this kind of nonsense. I mean you are
no
> > Michael Moore, but you could have contributed.
>
> Funny how all those exit polls had Kerry winning in Florida and Ohio,
> but the electronically tabulated votes came out in Bush II's favor. Or
> do you really think a precinct that voted 70% Democratic in the
> primaries voted 60% for Bush II in the general election.

Thats because the exit polls were not complete when broadcast and it was fed
by a number of bloggers, as usual the media jumped the gun

> And of course we will likely never know if the electronic voting
> machines with no paper trail were rigged - such devices are an
> abomination to representative democracy.

Yes and paper ballots worked great in Florida in 2000

 

[Frank Olson]

"Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
>
> "Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:uGajd.135301$Pl.31722@pd7tw1no...
>> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>> Sometimes I feel no one cares about these women and children. Frank
>>> Olson doesn't seem to care. Tom Sherman doesn't seem to care. Peter
>>> Clinch doesn't seem to care. Feminist leaders don't seem to care.
>>> Americans don't seem to care. Europeans don't seem to care. Who does
>>> care?
>>
>>
>> <snip> As a financial supporter of Amnesty International, *I* do care.
>> There's not much *I* (as an indivdual) can do about what's happening in
>> other countries. For your information I also support CARE and the
>> International Red Cross. I also *care* about what's happening in my
>> community and volunteer for a local community service organization where
>> I supervise young offenders that have been sentenced by the courts to
>> perform work in the community. I very much resent individuals like you
>> that don't know anything about me making comments on "what I care (or
>> don't care) about", just as much as I find being called "a traitor" to my
>> country because I don't support a "made up war" against a sovereign state
>> disturbing.
>>
> I'm glad to learn you are a good person who does volunteer work within
> your community and supports CARE along with those other organizations.
>
> I said you didn't *seem* to care about the abuse of women and female
> children under Islam since you chose not to condemn the activity, but
> instead to extol the virtues of Islam.

You've obviously misread my posts or become confused about my position with
respect to Islam by Mr. Dolan's rhetoric. I do not "extol it's virtues". I
was merely pointing out that the Quran is a book of Peace, not War or
Terrorism. "Islam" (as a religion) is open to interpretation just as
Chrisianity is. God gave us the ability to reason and the freedom to
interpret His Word. Individuals that choose to "spin" that Word abound.
"Extremists" exist in *every* faith. You can't condemn an entire people
because of the actions of a few insane individuals.

> The same goes for Tom Sherman who prefers to bash Christianity and refer
> us to cartoon sites making jokes of hanging women and stoning children in
> lieu of condemning these atrocities.

Islamic fundamentalism isn't responsible for these atrocities. Men (and
even some women) are.


>
> We've already covered the point there is not much you can do about what is
> happening in other counties. As I told you earlier at least you could
> speak up, take a stand, and condemn the abuse. You could even do that now
> if wished.

I've always believed that "actions are louder than words". I find it funny
that people like you (and Mr. Dolan) would "insist" I "take a stand" or
condemn a certain action (or religion) to prove I'm "worthy" or "a patriotic
American". I'm one voice in a cosmic fugue (perhaps not as strident as Mr.
Dolan's, but at least I'm not horribly "off key").

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ogg Oggibly wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Jihad - A war by Muslims against unbelievers or enemies of Islam,
carried
> > out as a religious duty.
> >
> > Webster's New World College Dictionary
>
> Webster needs to get a better translator. This may be how “Jihad” is
> commonly used in the US by English speakers, but it is wrong.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Greater QCA

It seems it could go either way depending on the country

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&oi=defmore&q=define:Jihad

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > ...The fact is that the poor in this country
> > live better than do the poor in any other country in the world including
> > Europe's poor....
>
> Mr. Dolan opens his mouth and removes all doubt of his willful
> ignorance. How is being homeless, hungry, and without medical care
> better than having the provision of housing, food and medical care
> guaranteed.
>
> This has to be one of the most idiotic things Mr. Dolan has ever
> written, which is saying a lot.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Greater QCA
> Vote Ed Dolan for Village Idiot

Oddly enough Mr Dolan is correct on this one, the US government has this
habit of raising the poverty limit whenever statistical numbers become
lower, in other words what is considered poverty today is nothing like it
was back in the 30's. These days you can have basic housing, cars etc and
still be considered within the poverty level. (I know this because I was
once in that category)

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/04poverty.shtml

If you notice the minimum yearly earnings required to qualify ($9,310) for
one individual is FAR greater than what people make in MOST other countries
in the world. Also if you consider all the various government and private
organizations in the US that deal with the homeless, hungry etc one has no
excuse for not being able to find help if they need it which often isn't
available in many other countries

Flame me if you will but the stats do not support your opinion. You can
argue HOW it is being administered but not that it isn't available, now if
you don't mind I must throw up for agreeing with Mr Ed

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > ...The fact is that the poor in this country
> > live better than do the poor in any other country in the world including
> > Europe's poor....
>
> Mr. Dolan opens his mouth and removes all doubt of his willful
> ignorance. How is being homeless, hungry, and without medical care
> better than having the provision of housing, food and medical care
> guaranteed.
>
> This has to be one of the most idiotic things Mr. Dolan has ever
> written, which is saying a lot.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Greater QCA
> Vote Ed Dolan for Village Idiot

BTW Here's a followup to what you say about the homeless, San Francisco
spends almost 200 million for an estimated 9,000 to 15,000 homeless in the
city, if we take the 15,000 figure (given by homeless advocates who usually
inflate the figure) simple math shows the local goverment spends approx.
$13,333 per homeless individual which is more than the current poverty rate
in many other states, it also tells you one reason WHY they are homeless to
begin with, people tend to follow the money


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/11/30/MNGIK3BE671.DTL&type=printable

 

[Ogg Oggibly]

"Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:RiXjd.153637$nl.41066@pd7tw3no...
> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>>
>> "Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:uGajd.135301$Pl.31722@pd7tw1no...
>>> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sometimes I feel no one cares about these women and children. Frank
>>>> Olson doesn't seem to care. Tom Sherman doesn't seem to care. Peter
>>>> Clinch doesn't seem to care. Feminist leaders don't seem to care.
>>>> Americans don't seem to care. Europeans don't seem to care. Who does
>>>> care?
>>>
>>>
>>> <snip> As a financial supporter of Amnesty International, *I* do care.
>>> There's not much *I* (as an indivdual) can do about what's happening in
>>> other countries. For your information I also support CARE and the
>>> International Red Cross. I also *care* about what's happening in my
>>> community and volunteer for a local community service organization where
>>> I supervise young offenders that have been sentenced by the courts to
>>> perform work in the community. I very much resent individuals like you
>>> that don't know anything about me making comments on "what I care (or
>>> don't care) about", just as much as I find being called "a traitor" to
>>> my country because I don't support a "made up war" against a sovereign
>>> state disturbing.
>>>
>> I'm glad to learn you are a good person who does volunteer work within
>> your community and supports CARE along with those other organizations.
>>
>> I said you didn't *seem* to care about the abuse of women and female
>> children under Islam since you chose not to condemn the activity, but
>> instead to extol the virtues of Islam.
>
> You've obviously misread my posts or become confused about my position
> with respect to Islam by Mr. Dolan's rhetoric. I do not "extol it's
> virtues". I was merely pointing out that the Quran is a book of Peace,
> not War or Terrorism. "Islam" (as a religion) is open to interpretation
> just as Chrisianity is. God gave us the ability to reason and the freedom
> to interpret His Word. Individuals that choose to "spin" that Word
> abound. "Extremists" exist in *every* faith. You can't condemn an entire
> people because of the actions of a few insane individuals.
>
>> The same goes for Tom Sherman who prefers to bash Christianity and refer
>> us to cartoon sites making jokes of hanging women and stoning children in
>> lieu of condemning these atrocities.
>
> Islamic fundamentalism isn't responsible for these atrocities. Men (and
> even some women) are.
>
>
>>
>> We've already covered the point there is not much you can do about what
>> is happening in other counties. As I told you earlier at least you could
>> speak up, take a stand, and condemn the abuse. You could even do that
>> now if wished.
>
> I've always believed that "actions are louder than words". I find it
> funny that people like you (and Mr. Dolan) would "insist" I "take a stand"
> or condemn a certain action (or religion) to prove I'm "worthy" or "a
> patriotic American". I'm one voice in a cosmic fugue (perhaps not as
> strident as Mr. Dolan's, but at least I'm not horribly "off key").
>
>
>
I find it funny you can't bring yourself to condemn atrocities on women and
children for the apparent reason that they are being committed my Muslims.

 

[Frank Olson]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>
> But hey, it is okay to kill tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi's in the
> name of neo-imperialism.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman


Mr. Dolan will say that evey one of them was a "Terrorist"...

 

[gavin11756]

****** indeed had courage. He won the Iron cross twice in WW1. His country was ruined by the Versailles treaty which the British though was bad, and the "you know who " had a lot to do with ruining the country.

German troops popular in Russia as they hated Stalin


Gavin

"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
newsJked.299746$D%.230454@attbi_s51...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > What exactly did he do that took courage?
>>
>> He invaded the Soviet Union for one thing. But almost everything ******
> did
>> took enormous courage.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan - Minnesota
>
>
> You really are a moron

And you really are a ****ing asshole, you stupid son of a *****. Why the
hell don't you get a brain? Your one sentence posts show you to have the
attention span of a child. They are not worth looking at let alone
responding to. Can't you think in terms longer than one short sentence,
whether question or statement. From now on that is what you will get from me
in spades without any pretense of civility regardless of the subject. You
will now get nothing but TOTAL contempt from me. Enjoy!

And why the hell don't you put periods at the end of your sentences, you
g.d. moron! I am fed up with your ****. Confine your messages to this group
to things that you know something about (not much) and do not try to play
with the big boys. You are a child with a child's brain who does not know
enough to put periods at the end of sentences. Try to get out of
kindergarten why don't you?

****** invaded the Soviet Union because he had courage, whatever else we
might think of him, the same way Bush invaded Iraq because he had courage,
whatever else we might think of him. Neither ****** nor Bush could have
done what they did if they had been cowards. Those Muslim terrorists who
took down the World Trade Center and murdered 3000 people, whatever else we
might think of them, also had courage. They could not have done what they
did if they had been cowards. Leuck, you ****ing idiot with no brain, can
you comprehend? Next time think before you ask a stupid question.

--
****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota



Mike Said:
Pardon Leuck, he thinks with the little head between his legs.
Leuck wins the assclown award for THREE months in a row.
http://goofysplace.com/assclown.htm

 

[G. Morgan]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 18:44:29 -0600 "Tom Sherman"
used 23 lines of text to write in newsgroup:
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent

>But hey, it is okay to kill tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi's in the
>name of neo-imperialism.

What is it with "neo" being thrown around everywhere lately?
Neo-conservatives, now neo-imperialism. Did Foxnews and CNN get
together to create a neo-word-order? I prefer to call a spade a spade
(oh ****, I forgot to whom I was replying to).

To answer your question though, the innocent Iraqi's are "collateral
damage".



--
-Graham

Remove the 'snails' from my email

 

[Frank Olson]

"Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I find it funny you can't bring yourself to condemn atrocities on women
> and children for the apparent reason that they are being committed my
> Muslims.


"Action" - I lend financial support to Amnesty International (an
organization that tries to intervene in such atrocities). If, by this
action I have not adequately demonstrated my disgust at such atrocities
perhaps you can suggest a more effective means (my *saying so* in this Group
doesn't benefit anyone or anything but your own ego).

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:RiXjd.153637$nl.41066@pd7tw3no...
> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>>
>> "Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:uGajd.135301$Pl.31722@pd7tw1no...
>>> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sometimes I feel no one cares about these women and children. Frank
>>>> Olson doesn't seem to care. Tom Sherman doesn't seem to care. Peter
>>>> Clinch doesn't seem to care. Feminist leaders don't seem to care.
>>>> Americans don't seem to care. Europeans don't seem to care. Who does
>>>> care?
>>>
>>>
>>> <snip> As a financial supporter of Amnesty International, *I* do care.
>>> There's not much *I* (as an indivdual) can do about what's happening in
>>> other countries. For your information I also support CARE and the
>>> International Red Cross. I also *care* about what's happening in my
>>> community and volunteer for a local community service organization where
>>> I supervise young offenders that have been sentenced by the courts to
>>> perform work in the community. I very much resent individuals like you
>>> that don't know anything about me making comments on "what I care (or
>>> don't care) about", just as much as I find being called "a traitor" to
>>> my country because I don't support a "made up war" against a sovereign
>>> state disturbing.
>>>
>> I'm glad to learn you are a good person who does volunteer work within
>> your community and supports CARE along with those other organizations.
>>
>> I said you didn't *seem* to care about the abuse of women and female
>> children under Islam since you chose not to condemn the activity, but
>> instead to extol the virtues of Islam.
>
> You've obviously misread my posts or become confused about my position
> with respect to Islam by Mr. Dolan's rhetoric. I do not "extol it's
> virtues". I was merely pointing out that the Quran is a book of Peace,
> not War or Terrorism.

The Koran is what anyone wants to make of it. So is the Bible. Christians
stopped making a horror of the Bible several centuries ago. The Muslims are
still making a horror of their Koran.

"Islam" (as a religion) is open to interpretation just as
> Chrisianity is. God gave us the ability to reason and the freedom to
> interpret His Word. Individuals that choose to "spin" that Word abound.
> "Extremists" exist in *every* faith. You can't condemn an entire people
> because of the actions of a few insane individuals.

The very great numbers of Muslims who are choosing to interpret their
religion one way as opposed to another way are never just a few, but rather
constitute the vast majority in various regions of the world, most
particularly in the Middle East.

>> The same goes for Tom Sherman who prefers to bash Christianity and refer
>> us to cartoon sites making jokes of hanging women and stoning children in
>> lieu of condemning these atrocities.
>
> Islamic fundamentalism isn't responsible for these atrocities. Men (and
> even some women) are.

It is precisely and exactly Islamic fundamentalism that is indeed
responsible for the atrocities that Muslims are committing in the world
today. What men think matters and religious thought gone astray is just as
dangerous as any other kind of thought gone astray, maybe more so.

>> We've already covered the point there is not much you can do about what
>> is happening in other counties. As I told you earlier at least you could
>> speak up, take a stand, and condemn the abuse. You could even do that
>> now if wished.
>
> I've always believed that "actions are louder than words". I find it
> funny that people like you (and Mr. Dolan) would "insist" I "take a stand"
> or condemn a certain action (or religion) to prove I'm "worthy" or "a
> patriotic American". I'm one voice in a cosmic fugue (perhaps not as
> strident as Mr. Dolan's, but at least I'm not horribly "off key").

You are an apologist for a religion that is an abomination. To equate Islam
with Christianity is your biggest mistake. One has evolved into a universal
religion worthy of all mankind and the other has never evolved and is suited
only for savages. Ogg has already shown to you what they are capable of when
it comes to their treatment of women. 9/11 has shown the entire world what
they are capable of in their treatment of non-Muslims - and all in the name
of their religion. It is their despicable religion that motivates them in
almost everything they think and do.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Frank Olson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:md_jd.157594$%k.9002@pd7tw2no...
> "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> I find it funny you can't bring yourself to condemn atrocities on women
>> and children for the apparent reason that they are being committed my
>> Muslims.
>
>
> "Action" - I lend financial support to Amnesty International (an
> organization that tries to intervene in such atrocities). If, by this
> action I have not adequately demonstrated my disgust at such atrocities
> perhaps you can suggest a more effective means (my *saying so* in this
> Group doesn't benefit anyone or anything but your own ego).

You voted wrong in the election of Nov. 2, of that I have no doubt. That is
what comes of not having your head screwed on straight. Kerry would cut the
Islamic extremists some slack, maybe even cutting and running from Iraq;
Bush won't do that. That is how you make a difference in the world, not by
giving to Amnesty International. Only hypocritical liberals do things like
that in order to salve their guilty consciences. If you gave a damn about
the evil in the world being caused by Islamic extremists, you would have
voted for Bush. But you don't, and so you didn't.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota