Re: OT Flame War

[Edward Dolan]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:18:22 -0600, "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Jihad - A war by Muslims against unbelievers or enemies of Islam, carried
>>out as a religious duty.
>
> Crusade: Any of the military expeditions undertaken by European
> Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy
> Land from the Muslims; A holy war undertaken with papal sanction.

The Crusades were mainly defensive in nature. It was the Muslims who were at
the gates of Europe, threatening to overrun all Christendom, not the
reverse. Ever hear of Moorish Spain?

But I sure do agree with you about one thing: the Muslims are still living
in those centuries you mention above, certainly not in the 21st century.

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[Edward Dolan]

"Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> The Dutch don't like the English any better than
>> the French do.
>
> Bzzzt! Wrong. As a sweeping generalisation, the Dutch dislike the
> /Germans/ intensely, and not just because retreating German forces
> "liberated" their bicycles in 1944. A group of us once got a mouthful of
> abuse from a little old lady in a Lelystad supermarket. We were puzzled
> by
> this, but things were soon straightened when, after apologising profusely,
> she explained that she had mistaken us for Germans. The only Englishman
> they're not too fond of, AFAIK, is Field Marshal Montgomery.

I do not think Europe will ever unite into one nation. Their hatreds of one
another are too great and go back a thousand years or more. I think that is
why it is called the Old World and all that that implies.

The Dutch are much more closely related to the Germans than they are to the
English, having a similar language and being of similar racial stock. I
suspect the Germans do not like the Dutch much either.

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[Edward Dolan]

"Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ogg Oggibly wrote:
>
>> Why does it not surprise me that your girlfriend hasn't seen fit to
>> mention this to you. She obviously doesn't want to listen to your endless
>> Islamic rationalization blather.
>
> Or more likely she isn't actually especially worried about it?

Much more likely is the fact that she is as stupid as you are. You do not
think any intelligent woman would have anything to do with a numskull like
you, do you? She must be one really dumb Dutch female!

>> Relationships are strained between the ethnic Dutch population and the
>> Muslim community.
>
> I didn't see much evidence of this while strolling past lots of Turkish
> bakeries and shops in Den Haag, so I guess nobody told them?

Peter Clinch wouldn't see any evidence of a Nazi Concentration Camp unless
he was actually being gassed to death in one of them.

<snip>

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[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:27:50 -0600, "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote
in message <[email protected]>:

>And the last Christian holy war 800 years or so relates to the current
>global Islamic holy war how?

I was talking about the current one.

Guy
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[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:00:57 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>The Crusades were mainly defensive in nature.

Just another case of getting our retaliation in first.

>But I sure do agree with you about one thing: the Muslims are still living
>in those centuries you mention above, certainly not in the 21st century.

And the Bible Belt fanatics who are backing this stupid 21st Century
crusade haven't actually made it past AD32 when, according to that
book they ought to be reading instead of thumping, Everything Changed.

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[Edward Dolan]

"Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ogg Oggibly wrote:
>
>> Jihad - A war by Muslims against unbelievers or enemies of Islam, carried
>> out as a religious duty.
>
> Yet for some reason the nearly 1 billion Muslims, or even a significant
> percentage of them, in the world are not at war with non-Muslims, so they
> seem to have a different idea about it to you. That there is such a word
> does not mean that Muslims all feel a need to declare war on other people,
> and the clearly obvious state of this being so for the vast majority
> should be good evidence.

Who says they are not at war with us? Hells Bells! They can't get along with
any of their neighbors no matter where they live in the world. The Muslims
are predisposed by their despicable religion to hate all non-Muslims. That
includes you and me, you ****ing stupid jackass!

<snip>

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[Edward Dolan]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:00:57 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote in message <[email protected]>:

Here is the entire previous post so others can make sense out of this post:

> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:18:22 -0600, "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Jihad - A war by Muslims against unbelievers or enemies of Islam, carried
>>out as a religious duty.
>
> Crusade: Any of the military expeditions undertaken by European
> Christians in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries to recover the Holy
> Land from the Muslims; A holy war undertaken with papal sanction.

The Crusades were mainly defensive in nature. It was the Muslims who were at
the gates of Europe, threatening to overrun all Christendom, not the
reverse. Ever hear of Moorish Spain?

But I sure do agree with you about one thing: the Muslims are still living
in those centuries you mention above, certainly not in the 21st century.

>>The Crusades were mainly defensive in nature.
>
> Just another case of getting our retaliation in first.

Nope, guess he never did hear of Moorish Spain.

>>But I sure do agree with you about one thing: the Muslims are still
>>living
>>in those centuries you mention above, certainly not in the 21st century.
>
> And the Bible Belt fanatics who are backing this stupid 21st Century
> crusade haven't actually made it past AD32 when, according to that
> book they ought to be reading instead of thumping, Everything Changed.

The only crusade being waged is that of the Muslim one against the West. We
are all sleeping at the wheel because we have emasculated ourselves with
liberal thinking such as yours. If and when a nuclear weapon goes off
somewhere in the West and kills a few hundred thousand of us, then we will
wake up and go after them in earnest. All I can say is that you want to get
out of our way when that happens or we will lump you in with them. Everyone
hates traitors.

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[Ogg Oggibly]

"Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>You are then a dead man for sure. You will not only be >shot, but stabbed
>for good measure. That is to make sure >you are truly dead. Those peace
>loving Muslims are partial to cutting and sawing >body parts with blades.
>The more blood the better.
>

I fear you are offending Peter Clinch"s sensibilities. Muslims committing
atrocities should henceforth be referred to as "bad apples".

Ogg O

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:50:20 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>> And the Bible Belt fanatics who are backing this stupid 21st Century
>> crusade haven't actually made it past AD32 when, according to that
>> book they ought to be reading instead of thumping, Everything Changed.

>The only crusade being waged is that of the Muslim one against the West.

Not noticed Bush's little campaign then? Not surprised, with your
head shoved that far up your **** you'll not see that much.

Guy
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[Ogg Oggibly]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:50:20 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote in message <[email protected]>:
>
>>> And the Bible Belt fanatics who are backing this stupid 21st Century
>>> crusade haven't actually made it past AD32 when, according to that
>>> book they ought to be reading instead of thumping, Everything Changed.
>
>>The only crusade being waged is that of the Muslim one against the West.
>
> Not noticed Bush's little campaign then? Not surprised, with your
> head shoved that far up your **** you'll not see that much.
>

Too bad you aren't in the USA. You could have made a small contribution to
John Kerry's election loss with this kind of nonsense. I mean you are no
Michael Moore, but you could have contributed.

Ogg O

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:23:59 -0600, "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote
in message <[email protected]>:

>Too bad you aren't in the USA. You could have made a small contribution to
>John Kerry's election loss with this kind of nonsense. I mean you are no
>Michael Moore, but you could have contributed.

You have no idea how glad I am that I don't live in the USA. Trust me
on this.

Guy
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[Ogg Oggibly]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:23:59 -0600, "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote
> in message <[email protected]>:
>
>>Too bad you aren't in the USA. You could have made a small contribution
>>to
>>John Kerry's election loss with this kind of nonsense. I mean you are no
>>Michael Moore, but you could have contributed.
>
> You have no idea how glad I am that I don't live in the USA. Trust me
> on this.
>

If it's any comfort to you please know that you are not alone in that
feeling. There are others who are glad you are not in living in USA.

By the way, Robert Redford is not moving to Ireland. That was just trash
talk on his part before Kerry lost the election. I was hoping he would be
the first Hollywood type to actually leave the country after promising to do
so if a Republican won an election. But it is not to be.

Personally I would be willing to trade him for you and Peter Clinch, but
that's just wishful thinking on my part. Redford is refusing to leave.

Well, on reflection maybe it's for the best. I'm already having second
thoughts on the trade I suggested.

Ogg O

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>You are then a dead man for sure. You will not only be shot, but stabbed
>>for good measure. That is to make sure you are truly dead. Those peace
>>loving Muslims are partial to cutting and sawing body parts with blades.
>>The more blood the better.
>>
>
> I fear you are offending Peter Clinch's sensibilities. Muslims committing
> atrocities should henceforth be referred to as "bad apples".
>
> Ogg O

Ogg, the only way Peter Clinch is even seeing anything I post is when
someone such as yourself quotes me. He has kill filed me for sure. He is the
typical liberal ostrich. Too much bad news and he sticks his head in the
sand. But his butt is fully exposed and elevated in that position, and so I
will kick it whether he can see what I am doing or not.

But it truly does bother me that all the English, at least on this group,
seem to be pansies and have no fight in them for taking on any of the
world's problems, whether connected to the Muslims or not. No wonder they
lost their empire. Let us hope and pray that we Americans will never become
like them.

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[Edward Dolan]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:50:20 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote in message <[email protected]>:
>
>>> And the Bible Belt fanatics who are backing this stupid 21st Century
>>> crusade haven't actually made it past AD32 when, according to that
>>> book they ought to be reading instead of thumping, Everything Changed.
>
>>The only crusade being waged is that of the Muslim one against the West.
>
> Not noticed Bush's little campaign then? Not surprised, with your
> head shoved that far up your **** you'll not see that much.

A typical Guy Chapman post consisting of about two sentences with mention of
****. But then he always seems to have **** on his very small brain.

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:02:53 -0600, "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote
in message <[email protected]>:

>> You have no idea how glad I am that I don't live in the USA. Trust me
>> on this.

>If it's any comfort to you please know that you are not alone in that
>feeling. There are others who are glad you are not in living in USA.

Their relief is as nothing compared to mine. This is not a
party-political point, though. I just feel that, being the richest
nation on earth, it is despicable that the poor have such abysmal
standards of health and education provision. It's as if the rich want
to maintain a serf class, and neither party seems willing to change
it. That is my long-time considered view; I work for a US company and
have in the past been offered work in the US which I have turned down.
Members of my family have worked in the US, and some live in Canada.
One of my ancestors is even commemorated by a statue in New York
State.

I prefer a country where at least people have the decency to feel
guilty when the poor get shafted.

Guy
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[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:09:38 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>A typical Guy Chapman post consisting of about two sentences with mention of
>****.

You know of course that nobody has a higher opinion of your input to
this group than you do yourself, and I can hardly reply to one of your
posts without including you in the attributions. Or did you mean some
other ****? Like the one you usually talk out of?

Guy
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[Edward Dolan]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:09:38 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <[email protected]>
> wrote in message <[email protected]>:
>
>>A typical Guy Chapman post consisting of about two sentences with mention
>>of
>>****.
>
> You know of course that nobody has a higher opinion of your input to
> this group than you do yourself, and I can hardly reply to one of your
> posts without including you in the attributions. Or did you mean some
> other ****? Like the one you usually talk out of?

Jeez! This time I count three sentences, although two of them are rather
short. But always the mention of the ****. That is because he always has
**** on his very small brain. That will never change!

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Ed Dolan - Minnesota

 

[Edward Dolan]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:02:53 -0600, "Ogg Oggibly" <[email protected]> wrote
> in message <[email protected]>:
>
>>> You have no idea how glad I am that I don't live in the USA. Trust me
>>> on this.
>
>>If it's any comfort to you please know that you are not alone in that
>>feeling. There are others who are glad you are not in living in USA.
>
> Their relief is as nothing compared to mine. This is not a
> party-political point, though. I just feel that, being the richest
> nation on earth, it is despicable that the poor have such abysmal
> standards of health and education provision. It's as if the rich want
> to maintain a serf class, and neither party seems willing to change
> it. That is my long-time considered view; I work for a US company and
> have in the past been offered work in the US which I have turned down.
> Members of my family have worked in the US, and some live in Canada.
> One of my ancestors is even commemorated by a statue in New York
> State.
>
> I prefer a country where at least people have the decency to feel
> guilty when the poor get shafted.

We are not going to worry too much about the poor as long as they are not
starving to death in the streets. The fact is that the poor in this country
live better than do the poor in any other country in the world including
Europe's poor.

But the US has the responsibility of providing for the security of the West
and indeed the entire world. Europe is living off of the US if truth be
told. Only Britain is making a contribution to the War on Terrorism (of
which Iraq is central) that amounts to anything. That is no thanks to
scoundrels like Guy Chapman who wouldn't lift a finger to defend anything,
not even his own "****."

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[Mark Rehder]

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:

>>But I sure do agree with you about one thing: the Muslims are still living
>>in those centuries you mention above, certainly not in the 21st century.
>>
>>
>
>And the Bible Belt fanatics who are backing this stupid 21st Century
>crusade haven't actually made it past AD32 when, according to that
>book they ought to be reading instead of thumping, Everything Changed.
>
>Guy
>
>

Bible Belt? According to this map it's more like a Bible Girdle.

https://home.comcast.net/~playon/2005Map.jpg

Mark

 

[Mark Rehder]

Edward Dolan wrote:

>But it truly does bother me that all the English, at least on this group,
>seem to be pansies and have no fight in them for taking on any of the
>world's problems, whether connected to the Muslims or not.
>
Aren't they helping you in Iraq? (And don't bother responding with
"well, Canada sure didn't help". We will help you when you're truly
under attack, and we've got troops helping out in Afghanistan. Iraq did
not attack you.)

>No wonder they
>lost their empire. Let us hope and pray that we Americans will never become
>like them.
>
Oh, it will happen. All empires crumble.

Mark