Is George W. Bush the worst US president ever?



zapper said:
Gee there Clem I’m not very good on articulation as you call it…But, I’m just a middle class citizen that is enjoying an improved standard of living during “W’s” Presidency…So, personally there booger, I don’t need some left wing “huckster” to tell me how I’m a livin…Now go back to your crops like a good little boy….
Didn't your taxes go up Zapper :confused: Or do you make enough to be in the bracket's that the Bush's or Cheney's occupy :confused: Bush Inc. made $784,000 & Cheney Inc. made $2,174,000. I know Bush & Cheney's tax burdens were reduced, I read it here. I'm so happy for them. They need to pinch every penny, I'm sure :rolleyes: :
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/bushcheneytax2004.pdf
 
davidmc said:
Gee there Clem I’m not very good on articulation as you call it…But, I’m just a middle class citizen that is enjoying an improved standard of living during “W’s” Presidency…So, personally there booger, I don’t need some left wing “huckster” to tell me how I’m a livin…Now go back to your crops like a good little boy….
Didn't your taxes go up Zapper :confused: Or do you make enough to be in the bracket's that the Bush's or Cheney's occupy :confused: I know Bush & Cheney's were reduced, I read it here:
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/bushcheneytax2004.pdf[/QUOTE]Our taxes went down...
 
[/QUOTE]Yeah yeah yeah, I'll give ya that one...what is going on here???...[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of when FredC's post's were inadvertently transposed & a disagreement of epic proportions ensued as to who the responsible party was :eek:
 
zapper said:
Ok booger bongkins…Let’s see if I can explain it on your level…

I am a middle class citizen, I am aware of how my life is affected…. I am doing well financially and otherwise I might add. I live in the United States. I have plenty to contribute…Just so happens that you’re too stoned to understand.

You do not live in the United States. You are not a middle class citizen, more likely a indoor share cropper. You watch the same nostalgic American TV shows as Limerickman and please continue, I enjoy being misunderestimated….



"Yeah, dat's right buddy.
Takin's down the **** hall 'ave gone up. Five cents on the dolla, or so the in-laws told me last Friday night.
Can't figga out what those chumps are talking about half da time thou' - but they tell me I'm doin' fine, so what the heck !"
 
Wurm said:
I say yes, without a shred of doubt.


By Huck Gutman, Dawn

Mr. Bush has not been kinder to American people, nor secured their well-being as their elected leader is supposed to do. He has redistributed wealth from the middle class upward — to the very wealthiest families in America. Two tax cuts which give the biggest benefits to the top one per cent — those who earn more than $337,000 annually — have raised the tax burden on the middle class.

This past year, for instance, President and Mrs Bush earned $784,219 and Vice-President and Mrs Cheney earned $2,173,892. (Yes, they are both clearly in the top one per cent of income earners). The Bush-enacted tax cuts slashed their tax bills, 12 per cent for Mr Bush, 18 per cent for Mr Cheney so that they paid $110,182 less than they would have paid had the legislation not been enacted.

Meanwhile, in the longer run the only way to pay for these tax cuts — which turned a federal surplus into an enormous deficit that the Bush administration projects at $521 billion in this year alone — will be to reduce government spending on the programmes which underwrite the quality of life for poor and middle class Americans: food and income support for the poor, education and health care and pensions for the middle class. Thus, the massive tax cuts to the wealthy will be paid for by hacking away at, bankrupting and terminating programmes that support the working people of America.

In his administration, more than any other during the past three quarters of a century, the rich have gotten richer, the poor have gotten poorer, and the middle class has shrunk. America is currently an oligopoly run not only by, but for, the wealthy class.



Mr Bush has embraced deficits which will undermine the long term health of the American economy. The numbers are staggering. The budget deficit is $512 billion. The current accounts deficit for the first quarter of 2005 was $195.1 billion, which projects to a deficit for 2005 of $780.1 billion. That means that this year alone the United States has financed its lowered taxes, its costly war in Iraq, its hunger for cheap goods, by a total of $1.29 trillion.

Numbers can by themselves be numbing, so let us try a comparison. Pakistan’s government budget expends $16.5 billion, India’s 2004 $104 billion, China’s $348.9 billion, all including capital expenditures. The three governments spend barely over a third of what the United States borrows through deficit spending and balance of payments debits.

Although Mr Bush would prefer to hide the fact, this money in one way or another will have to be repaid. Those repayments will hold the United States hostage, exactly as developing nations today are often held hostage by the IMF and the World Bank. Even a vibrant American economy would be strained by the enormous obligation of paying interest on and paying down the national debt, and repatriating the dollars ‘borrowed’ by the balance of payments deficit.

But the American economy is not as vibrant as is claimed: more and more of America’s productive capacity, both in manufacturing and in the intellectual work done by white collar workers, is being supplanted by the productive capacity of other nations, China and India chief among them. Consumer spending has been fuelled almost entirely by low interest rates which have created a housing boom — now at the stage of being a speculative bubble which may soon crash, bringing the economy to a halt.

Thus, the American standard of living, already in modest decline, will likely plummet fairly rapidly in coming decades. And American economic pre-eminence is likely to be challenged — though this may well be a fine thing for other nations — by China and the other nations of East Asia, the EEC, India and South Asia, and perhaps the nations of Southeast Asia.

Mr Bush has initiated an attack on civil liberties almost unparalleled in the history of the United States. With the passage of the Bush-initiated “Patriot Act,” the federal government was given enormous powers to invade privacy and intrude on basic freedoms which had been guaranteed to Americans for over two centuries. The legislation gave federal authorities the power to obtain medical records, tax records, book buying and library borrowing records — all without requiring a probable cause or a court adjudication that national security is imperilled. Federal police are now authorized to break into a person’s home and do a search without ever informing the person the search has been conducted. Not only have civil liberties been curtailed, the chilling effect on freedom of speech and association means that more and more Americans are afraid to exercise their most basic liberties.

Mr Bush has politicized the American nation beyond permissible bounds. He has politicized the judicial system by forcing the judicial appointment of ideological conservatives who pass a ‘litmus test’ on such issues as abortion (opposed), class action suits which allow collections of individuals to sue corporations which have injured them (opposed), and the rights of labour (opposed). The sole credential for important government positions, too, is ideological purity. Recently, Mr Bush and his cohorts tried to slash the funding for public broadcasting because he thinks it too ‘liberal.’

He refuses to work with the opposition party, the Democrats. Just as he adheres to unilateralism in foreign policy, in domestic affairs it must always be his way, with no negotiation, no meeting half-way, not even consultation. He seems — and this if far more frightening in fact than the mere statement of it suggests — determined to turn America into a de facto one-party state.

And then, there is the corruption in which political cohorts get huge government subsidies and gifts. His defence department gives huge contracts to ‘friendly’ corporations without even the semblance of open bidding or fair awarding of contracts. Halliburton, for instance, was awarded a $7 billion contract, non-competitively, to repair Iraq’s oil infrastructure. (The former CEO of Halliburton is none other than the sitting vice-president, Mr Cheney.)

Mr Bush has played the religion card — what South Asians call communalism — often, and with a vengeance. Elected in large part with the support and money of fundamentalist Christians, Mr Bush has turned American politics into a religious battleground. His communalist ‘game’ seldom addresses religion per se, instead using coded words and battles about social phenomena to communicate to fundamentalists that he is committed to turning America in a profoundly religious direction.

Thus, in recent years, Mr Bush has opposed abortion (while 63 per cent of Americans said, this month, that they do not want to see the federal court legalizing abortion overturned). He has opposed stem cell research (58 per cent of Americans approve such research). He has campaigned against a homosexual’s right to marry (55 per cent of Americans do not want to see homosexual marriage. But an even larger 58 per cent opposed the Constitutional amendment to ban homosexual marriage that Mr Bush called for.) Increasingly, Muslims, Jews, atheists, and non-religious people in general feel social pressure from the Bush administration to be like other people — meaning, to act like Christians or shut up.

There is much that can be said about America not living up to its ideals, but in the separation of church and state — enshrined in the nation’s Constitution — it has been a model of religious tolerance and freedom for most other nations. No longer. No other American president has injected religion and religious doctrine as deeply into the discourse of American politics as Mr Bush. Expediency has won out over tolerance; accordingly, the religious divide between Americans seems more profound than at any moment in its history.

Whether it is world peace, religious tolerance, the American economy or social and economic justice, Mr Bush has hollowed out much that he should have been strengthening. Nor has he learned from his experience: in not one of the 10 areas highlighted has he changed his course or his thinking. In fact, his mind seems permanently made up, untouched by experience, and untouchable. He sails serenely forward, towards disaster, trying to drag America and the world along on his misguided journeys. The only good news is that, more and more, the American people are not sure they want to be his fellow sailors.

The writer is a professor at the University of Vermont, US.

© DAWN Group of Newspapers, 2005

Reprinted from Dawn:
http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/07/op.htm#1


Yep, he's not only the most dishonest President that you've had in recent times, he the most incompetent as well.
(look at your economy, your dollar valuation, your trade deficit, your budget deficit : all thanks to Bush)
 
I think z is failing to realize what his tax situation will be in the out-years of the Monkey Man's tax scheme - if it passes next time.

Guess what genius? You dumb-assed "middle classer's" that think you've got it good now (and many of us don't have it nearly as good as it was during Clinton): you're going to get socked by increasingly higher interest rates while your corporate masters will make out like the bandits that they are. Their taxes will keep going down, while the working stiffs will get more and more stiffed.

You'll end up paying back everything that you think you "saved" during the Bush rape through your mortgage, car, credit card, and loan repayments. Not to mention fewer benefits at work (if you still have any left now), much higher energy prices, and exponentially increasing medical premiums & drug costs.

My, aren't those a bunch of great reasons for you to vote for the a$$holes!!
 
Wurm said:
I think z is failing to realize what his tax situation will be in the out-years of the Monkey Man's tax scheme - if it passes next time.

Guess what genius? You dumb-assed "middle classer's" that think you've got it good now (and many of us don't have it nearly as good as it was during Clinton): you're going to get socked by increasingly higher interest rates while your corporate masters will make out like the bandits that they are. Their taxes will keep going down, while the working stiffs will get more and more stiffed.

You'll end up paying back everything that you think you "saved" during the Bush rape through your mortgage, car, credit card, and loan repayments. Not to mention fewer benefits at work (if you still have any left now), much higher energy prices, and exponentially increasing medical premiums & drug costs.

My, aren't those a bunch of great reasons for you to vote for the a$$holes!!
bravo wurm. another excellent post. the middle class are being raped by the repuplican's, they just don't know it :eek:
 
Wurm said:
I think z is failing to realize what his tax situation will be in the out-years of the Monkey Man's tax scheme - if it passes next time.

Guess what genius? You dumb-assed "middle classer's" that think you've got it good now (and many of us don't have it nearly as good as it was during Clinton): you're going to get socked by increasingly higher interest rates while your corporate masters will make out like the bandits that they are. Their taxes will keep going down, while the working stiffs will get more and more stiffed.

You'll end up paying back everything that you think you "saved" during the Bush rape through your mortgage, car, credit card, and loan repayments. Not to mention fewer benefits at work (if you still have any left now), much higher energy prices, and exponentially increasing medical premiums & drug costs.

My, aren't those a bunch of great reasons for you to vote for the a$$holes!!

Effectively what you will have is increased direct/indirect personal taxation.
In specific terms, the actual tax rate may only increase marginally but what about the indirect tax such as fuel, medical cover costs etc ?
Cost have to be recouped somewhere.

The mounting costs of Iraq and the reparations damages also need to be factored in to the US taxpayers budget.
 
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Wurm said:
Guess what genius?
I'm glad you finally conceded that I am of superior intelligence...

You'll end up paying back everything that you think you "saved" during the Bush rape through your mortgage, car, credit card, and loan repayments. Not to mention fewer benefits at work (if you still have any left now), much higher energy prices, and exponentially increasing medical premiums & drug costs.
Don't you mean Clinton years...seems to me interest rates have gone down during Bush's term and what happened to the technology boom??? Now that is an issue to be concerned about...

My, aren't those a bunch of great reasons for you to vote for the a$$holes!!
Hey just because you are "janitor in a drum" don't be so damn jealous...But, yeah I'm a dumb assed middle classer... just made 250k on house I just sold which I only lived in for 5 years... I can only hope to get "dumber" then I could really get rich!

I have plenty of benefits at work...Most middle class folks do not work at McDonalds you know...Suppose you might quit you janitorial job and start flippin burgers and perhaps you may enjoy some benefits and quit being so upset...Good luck on the job search homey..Maybe you could acquire one of those two handled turbo rotating spatulas and make twice as much...
 
Yes He Is The Worst, Shame On Him And His Family. They Are The Dregs Of This World......
 
Wurm said:
I think z is failing to realize what his tax situation will be in the out-years of the Monkey Man's tax scheme - if it passes next time.

Guess what genius? You dumb-assed "middle classer's" that think you've got it good now (and many of us don't have it nearly as good as it was during Clinton): you're going to get socked by increasingly higher interest rates while your corporate masters will make out like the bandits that they are. Their taxes will keep going down, while the working stiffs will get more and more stiffed.

You'll end up paying back everything that you think you "saved" during the Bush rape through your mortgage, car, credit card, and loan repayments. Not to mention fewer benefits at work (if you still have any left now), much higher energy prices, and exponentially increasing medical premiums & drug costs.

My, aren't those a bunch of great reasons for you to vote for the a$$holes!!
If the "dupe's" errr...I mean "Bush supporter's" don't get it this time around, thier children most certainly will, what w/ thier corporate master's exporting job's to the lowest bidder & Bush presiding over the largest deficit's of any president in american history. This "situation" will affect, as you indicated, higher mortgage rates, interest rates, lower gdp & we all know it effect's the value of the dollar as it is now worthless oversea's. Only a completely depraved, imbicilic, moron would buy dollar's unless of course they wanted to lord those worthless notes over our heads in the future for political gain (China :eek: ). Woe be unto those who mortgaged our country :mad: for thier own personal gain (Rousseau had something to say about that)
 
davidmc said:
If the "dupe's" errr...I mean "Bush supporter's" don't get it this time around, thier children most certainly will,
That won't matter, because it's all about grabbing as much as you can before you croak. To hell with what their kids will have to live with, (crushing debt, low wages, environmental disaster) because those "middle class" morons will all be 6 ft. under.
 
Wurm said:
That won't matter, because it's all about grabbing as much as you can before you croak. To hell with what their kids will have to live with, (crushing debt, low wages, environmental disaster) because those "middle class" morons will all be 6 ft. under.
That's right. I had forgotten the Republican credo of: "Mine, mine, & mine :rolleyes: "
 
Wurm said:
Thus, the massive tax cuts to the wealthy will be paid for by hacking away at, bankrupting and terminating programmes that support the working people of America.
Exactly what those programs are the writer doesn't say. Seems to me there are a lot more programs supporting the 'non-working' people of America than for those of us who actually work and pay taxes.



Wurm said:
Thus, the American standard of living, already in modest decline, will likely plummet fairly rapidly in coming decades. And American economic pre-eminence is likely to be challenged — though this may well be a fine thing for other nations — by China and the other nations of East Asia, the EEC, India and South Asia, and perhaps the nations of Southeast Asia.
Really? Housing development up in record numbers, unemployment around 5%, GDP growth of 3.4% this year...You know, this same kind of argument was being tossed around 25 years ago when Reagan was president and here we are, decades later still waiting for the economic sky to fall.

WURM said:
Mr Bush has initiated an attack on civil liberties almost unparalleled in the history of the United States. With the passage of the Bush-initiated “Patriot Act,” the federal government was given enormous powers to invade privacy and intrude on basic freedoms which had been guaranteed to Americans for over two centuries.
Unparalled? Really? You mean the Patriot Act is worse than when Lincon suspended habeous corpus? Quite a few people were locked up without charge or trial and even though the Supreme Court told Lincoln he could nto do it, his response was something along the lines of 'Well I have the backing of an army that says I can.' Or how about when FDR interned over 100,000 Japanese Americans, confiscated thier property and voided all thier rights? Is the Patriot Act worse than those or is the writer maybe on a different parallel universe?

wurm said:
The legislation gave federal authorities the power to obtain medical records, tax records, book buying and library borrowing records — all without requiring a probable cause or a court adjudication that national security is imperilled.
Factually false. Still need to get the court to authorize it.


I'd love to pick this article apart but I just don't have the time or energy. Suffice it to say Bush is certainly not one of the best but he surely isn't the worst. Perhaps if the writer took off the ideological blinders and maybe took a few history lessons, he/she would realize that.
 
Billy Fish said:
Really? Housing development up in record numbers, unemployment around 5%, GDP growth of 3.4% this year...You know, this same kind of argument was being tossed around 25 years ago when Reagan was president and here we are, decades later still waiting for the economic sky to fall.

The Economic landscape 25 years ago was significantly different to the ones that exist in the world today. The US debt is outrageously high and the trade deficit growth is accelerating because the US is increasingly dependant on imported goods. *IF* the wheels fall off the US economy the recovery could be particularly difficult because the majority of the income *appears* to come from trivially outsourced white collar jobs. When the going gets tough, the successful move somewhere easier to do business.

The surge in the property market in the US appears to be built on the premise of cheap lending, which simply can not continue with the accelerating trade deficit, national debt and stagnating/shrinking income. Somewhat reminiscent of the dot-com bubble, but on a far larger scale.

The GDP figure doesn't really tell you much aside from some folks are getting stinking rich at the top of the pile.