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Colorado Ryder said:
Ok. Since Clinton didn't do anything about Al-Qaeda for 8 years, We'll just totally dismiss that fact. Great logic from Limerickman.

You dismissed the fact that the largest attack on US soild since WWII happened during your boys presidency.
You wanna blame Clinton for the attack.
great logic.
 
limerickman said:
You dismissed the fact that the largest attack on US soild since WWII happened during your boys presidency.
You wanna blame Clinton for the attack.
great logic.
Wrong again! I don't blame Bush and I don't blame Clinton. Unlike you I can step back from ideology and make a sensible assessment. With your logic we could blame Roosevelt for Pearl Harbor. Lincoln for the US civil war. We can also blame Polish president Ignacy Moscicki for the German invasion in 1939.
 
...and still no reasonable explainations of the evidence I've presented on BushCo's complicity in 9/11, because there aren't any. Cheney, Bush, Gen. Myers, Rove, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Tenet, and the rest are guilty and should be placed in cells next to Saddam Hussein.

BTW - Clinton did order Tomahawk attacks against AQ bases in A'stan, and BushCo was warned well ahead of Sep. 11th, but chose to aid & abet the attacks to use as an excuse to invade 2 sovereign countries.
 
Wurm said:
...and still no reasonable explainations of the evidence I've presented on BushCo's complicity in 9/11, because there aren't any. Cheney, Bush, Gen. Myers, Rove, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Tenet, and the rest are guilty and should be placed in cells next to Saddam Hussein.
Well if it isn't our resident "theoretical" analyst.
 
Attempting to ignore the facts will not make them go away. The snide remarks and flippant attitude about the actual facts of 9/11 is a slap in the face to the victims and their survivors.

As far as I'm concerned, people such as zapper and CR are not fit to shine their shoes, and should be completely ashamed of themselves. There is no honor in promoting the lies about such a heinous crime as the U.S. gov't inflicted upon its citizens during 9/11.
 
Wurm said:
Attempting to ignore the facts will not make them go away. The snide remarks and flippant attitude about the actual facts of 9/11 is a slap in the face to the victims and their survivors.

As far as I'm concerned, people such as zapper and CR are not fit to shine their shoes, and should be completely ashamed of themselves. There is no honor in promoting the lies about such a heinous crime as the U.S. gov't inflicted upon its citizens during 9/11.
Aren't you supposed to be ignoring me? But since you're not, lets talk about honor. I really like how you use 9/11 and the death of innocents to further your political ideology.
 
Wurm said:
Attempting to ignore the facts will not make them go away. The snide remarks and flippant attitude about the actual facts of 9/11 is a slap in the face to the victims and their survivors.

As far as I'm concerned, people such as zapper and CR are not fit to shine their shoes, and should be completely ashamed of themselves. There is no honor in promoting the lies about such a heinous crime as the U.S. gov't inflicted upon its citizens during 9/11.

and the subsequent heinous crimes that the US gov has committed in Iraq.
 
WurmBTW - Clinton did order Tomahawk attacks against AQ bases in A'stan said:
Clinton used Tomahawks against 2 sovereign nations! Yes Clinton tossed a couple of Tomahawks in Afghanistan. He also destroyed an aspirin factory and a Chinese embassy. He also used Tomahawks on Iraq.
Bush went and eliminated Afghanistan as a safe haven for Bin Laden. Oh I'm sorry. I mean he made it safe for his oil cronies to build that elusive pipedream( I mean pipeline).
 
Colorado Ryder said:
WurmBTW - Clinton did order Tomahawk attacks against AQ bases in A'stan said:
Clinton used Tomahawks against 2 sovereign nations! Yes Clinton tossed a couple of Tomahawks in Afghanistan. He also destroyed an aspirin factory and a Chinese embassy. He also used Tomahawks on Iraq.
Bush went and eliminated Afghanistan as a safe haven for Bin Laden. Oh I'm sorry. I mean he made it safe for his oil cronies to build that elusive pipedream( I mean pipeline).

you stated earlier that Clinton did nothing about Al Qaeda : now you post evidence of his doing something (above).

Not for the first time have you managed to contradict yourself.
 
limerickman said:
you stated earlier that Clinton did nothing about Al Qaeda : now you post evidence of his doing something (above).

Not for the first time have you managed to contradict yourself.
Did he really DO anything? Well if you really think that he really did something about Al-Qaeda.
 
Colorado Ryder said:
Did he really DO anything? Well if you really think that he really did something about Al-Qaeda.

Previously you claimed that Clinton did NOTHING about Al Qaeda.

"Clinton was in office for 8 years and did nothing about Al-Qaeda. 8 YEARS to do something. Anything. But nothing."
Your words.

Then you post a message detailing something that Clinton did do about Al Qaeda.

So you contradict yourself in a matter of hours.
Typical.
 
limerickman said:
Previously you claimed that Clinton did NOTHING about Al Qaeda.

"Clinton was in office for 8 years and did nothing about Al-Qaeda. 8 YEARS to do something. Anything. But nothing."
Your words.

Then you post a message detailing something that Clinton did do about Al Qaeda.

So you contradict yourself in a matter of hours.
Typical.
Yes those are my words. And apparently he did do nothing. Unless of course if you consider blowing up a tent and some huts as doing something about Al-Qaeda.
 
a good friend of mine, he is a christian fundamentalist, as i am sure he would not mind being typified as, cites these events as a something to fall back upon as somehow justifying in his mind the continued us policies of invasion and occupation under false pretenses.

you know, the "we didn't start this war" premise, disturbingly simular if not identical to the suicidal "two wrongs make a right" philosophy of vengence under the guise of "justice". let us know when this can be held up to world approval as a productive policy for the us to undertake upon the ever changing purpose of
"fighting terrorists abroad so we don't have to fight them here".

perhaps this has the effect of easing one's natural human sense of revulsion at the slaughter of ones own kind, but i fail to see how these policies can be rationalized in any sense, unless you are fallin' hook line 'n sinker for the
"we are makng progress"
annoucements of the bush propaganda apparatus...

the majority are no longer falling for this, as the monetary interests of the bush multinational corporation syndicate seem to no longer be able to wrap their agenda in the flag and call it good, esp in light of recent events in the us that bring focus back to what a nation needs to truly act in it's citizen's best humanitarian interests.

Colorado Ryder said:
Clinton was in office for 8 years and did nothing about Al-Qaeda. 8 YEARS to do something. Anything. But nothing. 8 years of the 1st WTC, Khobar Towers, Afican embassies, Mogadishu, and the USS Cole. He never did a thing about Al-Qaeda. All Clinton did was tell Bush that those Al-Qaeda guys could be dangerous. But thats your boy.
 
too bad for bush when it comes to dodging the bullet of where the buck stops,
that telling test of credibility, he does not posess a fraction of charisma the
"the teflon man" ronald reagan
used to such advantage.

devoid of any shred of charming persona, faced with the demand for accountability, he must rely upon his wits and and the defense of his true and close associates.

of the latter, how many now have bailed in shame?

like rats leaving a sinking ship, i daresay...

"there is a problem?" -bush, responding to questioning over the situation in the aftermath of katrina and the response of fema.


Wurm said:
Sound familiar? :rolleyes:
 
clinton increased military spending by the largest amount in history, reduced the welfare rolls greater to an extent far greater than his predecessor, and dropped and fired so much munition that bush criticized him for
"overusing and depleting the military"
but that was during campaigning for office.

even with all this usage of firepower courtesy of the expenditure of the us taxpayer, his biggest fight was to clear the way to global trade in the name of cheap labor and high profit.

in many ways clinton was the best republican president ever. who among you ever really thought there was a substantive difference between the workings of this government by the special interests and for the special interests in the "two party system" of the duped us voter?

as far can be told, the most important campaign promise of bush was thought by a good number of americans to be "no intern nookie in the oval office"

looks like priorities have shifted, and what some voters and politicos thought was so overwhelmingly important was just bogus moralizing...


Colorado Ryder said:
Yes those are my words. And apparently he did do nothing. Unless of course if you consider blowing up a tent and some huts as doing something about Al-Qaeda.
 
limerickman said:
you stated earlier that Clinton did nothing about Al Qaeda : now you post evidence of his doing something (above).

Not for the first time have you managed to contradict yourself.
Clinton had an opportunity to have OSB delivered on a silver platter but refused...that is documented...Your case is weak!
 
zapper said:
Clinton had an opportunity to have OSB delivered on a silver platter but refused...that is documented...Your case is weak!

The fact of the matter is the OSB wasn't - as you say - delivered.

Thus, it would have been prudent given the threat that OSB represents for Bush not to have dropped his guard on 11th Sept 2001, wouldn't it ?
 
Now that we've gone through the ancient history of the Clinton years, where are the not-so-clever-retorts to the damning evidence I've provided involving BushCo & 9/11??

Better yet, why don't Flappy and CR start acting like real patriots and demand a truly independent special investigator be appointed? There is plenty of prima facie evidence to merit it. Since you claim that this is all "conspiracy", and apparently the Bush Admin. is "innocent" of any wrongdoing, you've got nothing to worry about.

Let me guess: because if the truth were ever to come out in the mass corporate media, it would mean the utter destruction of the Rethug Party. They would never be able to mount a successful election campaign in the U.S. again.

Their response to Katrina is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
Wurm said:
Better yet, why don't Flappy and CR start acting like real patriots and demand a truly independent special investigator be appointed? There is plenty of prima facie evidence to merit it.
Hey boxcar...You are asking for a response from someone you have on your ignore list?....thanks for the laugh as once again you have acted like the **** that you are....