Has anyone been to www.abovetopsecret.com?

[Wurm]

Yeah - these Palestinian diplomats just made it up out of thin air, right?

Just like Bush told the truth on WMD's, being AWOL from the military in 1972, had no knowledge of the outing of Plame, "mission accomplished", "you're doing a helluva job Brownie", "I wanna be known as the education president", and everything else he's done for that matter.

What do you think that POS McClellan is going to say? Duh.

If the Chimp utters 10 words, 8 of them are lies. He has proven time after time that he cannot be trusted. If he were to stand in front of Jesus Christ himself and were asked a question, he'd lie because he's pathological.

path·o·log·i·cal
adj.

1. Of or relating to pathology.
2. Relating to or caused by disease.
3. Of, relating to, or manifesting behavior that is habitual, maladaptive, and compulsive: a pathological liar.

 

[Weisse Luft]

FBI FREEH UNLOADS ON CLINTON: 'CLOSETS WERE FULL OF SKELETONS'
Thu Oct 06 2005 14:07:50 ET

Louis Freeh Speaks for the First Time About his Terrible Relationship with the President

Former FBI Director Louis Freeh says publicly for the first time that his relationship with President Bill Clinton – the man who appointed him – was a terrible one because Clinton’s scandals made him a constant target of FBI investigations. Freeh discloses this and many other details of his dealings with the Clinton White House in a new bombshell book: 'My FBI : Bringing Down the Mafia, Investigating Bill Clinton, and Fighting the War on Terror' -- set for release next week.

Freeh has taped an interview with Mike Wallace and CBSNEWS '60 MINUTES' to be broadcast Sunday, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

MORE

In the book, “My FBI,” he writes, “The problem was with Bill Clinton -- the scandals and the rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.”

The director sought to distance himself from Clinton because of Whitewater, refusing a White House pass that would have enabled him to enter the building without signing in. This irked Clinton. “I wanted all my visits to be official,” says Freeh. “When I sent the pass back with a note, I had no idea it would antagonize the president,” he tells Wallace.

Returning the pass was only the start of the rift. Later, relations got so bad that President Clinton reportedly began referring to Freeh as “that F…ing Freeh.” Says Freeh, “I don’t know how they referred to me and I really didn’t care,” he says. “My role and my obligation was to conduct criminal investigations. He, unfortunately for the country and unfortunately for him, happened to be the subject of that investigation,” Freeh says.

In another revelation, Freeh says the former president let down the American people and the families of victims of the Khobar Towers terror attack in Saudi Arabia. After promising to bring to justice those responsible for the bombing that killed 19 and injured hundreds, Freeh says Clinton refused to personally ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to question bombing suspects the kingdom had in custody – the only way the bureau could secure the interviews, according to Freeh. Freeh writes in the book, “Bill Clinton raised the subject only to tell the crown prince that he understood the Saudis’ reluctance to cooperate and then he hit Abdullah up for a contribution to the Clinton Presidential Library.” Says Freeh, “That’s a fact that I am reporting.”

The most unsavory of those investigations was the one concerning Clinton and Lewinsky. The White House intern had kept a semen-stained dress as proof of her relationship and a Clinton blood sample was needed to match the DNA on the dress. “Well, it was like a bad movie and it was ridiculous that…Ken Starr and myself, the director of the FBI, find ourselves in that ridiculous position,” he tells Wallace. “But we did it…very carefully, very confidentially,” recalls Freeh. As he explains the plan in the book, Clinton was at a scheduled dinner and excused himself to go to the bathroom. Instead of the restroom, he entered another room where FBI medical technicians were waiting to take a blood sample.

Freeh says he was determined to stay on as FBI director until President Clinton left office so that Clinton could not appoint his successor. “I was concerned about who he would put in there as FBI director because he had expressed antipathy for the FBI, for the director,” he tells Wallace. “[So] I was going to stay there and make sure he couldn’t replace me,” Freeh tells Wallace.

 

[Weisse Luft]

(CBS) Elevated to the post of FBI director by President Clinton in 1993, Louis Freeh now speaks publicly about his terrible relationship with the president.

“We were preoccupied in eight years with multiple investigations,” Freeh tells 60 Minutes correspondent Mike Wallace this Sunday, Oct. 9, at 7 PM ET/PT.

In his upcoming book, My FBI, Freeh writes, “The problem was with Bill Clinton — the scandals and the rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.”

The scandals Freeh mentions include Whitewater, Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers.

The director sought to distance himself from Clinton because of Whitewater, refusing a White House pass that would have enabled him to enter the building without signing in. This irked Clinton. “I wanted all my visits to be official,” says Freeh. “When I sent the pass back with a note, I had no idea it would antagonize the president.”

Freeh says the most delicate and unsavory of the investigations was the Lewinsky affair, when the FBI needed to obtain a blood sample from the president to match the DNA on the infamous blue dress.

“But we did it … very carefully, very confidentially,” Freeh says. During a scheduled dinner, the president excused himself to go to the bathroom. Instead of the restroom, he entered another room where FBI medical technicians were waiting to take a blood sample.

Aside from scandals and investigations, Freeh says Clinton let down the American people and the families of victims of the 1996 Khobar Towers terror attack in Saudi Arabia.

After promising to bring to justice those responsible for the bombing that killed 19 and injured hundreds, Freeh says Clinton refused to personally ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to question bombing suspects the kingdom had in custody — the only way the bureau could secure the interviews, according to Freeh.

Freeh writes in the book, “Bill Clinton raised the subject only to tell the crown prince that he understood the Saudis’ reluctance to cooperate and then he hit Abdullah up for a contribution to the Clinton Presidential Library.”

Freeh also says he was determined to stay on as FBI director until President Clinton left office so that Clinton could not appoint his successor. “I was concerned about who he would put in there as FBI director because he had expressed antipathy for the FBI, for the director,” he says. “I was going to stay there and make sure he couldn’t replace me.”




©MMV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.

 

[Hypnospin]

yeah seems this freeh did stay on, and had the same difficulties getting idictments for suspects in this case during '01 as well, and coincidentaly some convenient excuses here again.
in light of the fact bush was pres at this time, could this be another example of
clinton blamemogering?

or just a desire to believe in the fallacy of the us "two-party system" of government biz as usual...the biz of covering their own a**es?

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/06/21/khobar.indictments

seems even the pentagon ran from this one...

(CBS) Elevated to the post of FBI director by President Clinton in 1993, Louis Freeh now speaks publicly about his terrible relationship with the president.

After promising to bring to justice those responsible for the bombing that killed 19 and injured hundreds, Freeh says Clinton refused to personally ask Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah to allow the FBI to question bombing suspects the kingdom had in custody — the only way the bureau could secure the interviews, according to Freeh.

Freeh writes in the book, “Bill Clinton raised the subject only to tell the crown prince that he understood the Saudis’ reluctance to cooperate and then he hit Abdullah up for a contribution to the Clinton Presidential Library.”

Freeh also says he was determined to stay on as FBI director until President Clinton left office so that Clinton could not appoint his successor. “I was concerned about who he would put in there as FBI director because he had expressed antipathy for the FBI, for the director,” he says. “I was going to stay there and make sure he couldn’t replace me.”




©MMV, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.

 

[Weisse Luft]

White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove told President Bush and others that he never engaged in an effort to disclose a CIA operative's identity to discredit her husband's criticism of the administration's Iraq policy, according to people with knowledge of Rove's account in the investigation.

They said Rove's denial to Bush occurred during a brief conversation in July 2003, shortly after media reports revealed that the administration critic, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, worked as a covert CIA operative.

Those with direct knowledge of evidence gathered in the criminal investigation spoke to The Associated Press only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy.

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is wrapping up an investigation into whether Rove; Vice Presential **** Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scotter" Libby; or other presidential aides divulged Plame's identity in violation of federal law.

Besides the disclosure of Plame's identity, the investigation is examining whether presidential aides mishandled classified information, made false statements or obstructed justice.

Rove is slated to testify before the grand jury soon for a fourth time, although prosecutors have told him they no longer can assure he will avoid indictment. Rove offered in July to return to the grand jury for additional testimony, and Fitzgerald accepted that offer after taking grand jury testimony from the formerly jailed New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

The discussion with Bush, along with others, was general and did not get into specifics concerning Rove's contacts with two reporters, Time magazine's Matthew Cooper and syndicated columnist Robert Novak, who wrote stories identifying Plame, the people familiar with Rove's account said.

They said Bush asked Rove to assure him he was not involved in an effort to divulge Plame's identity and punish Wilson, and the longtime confidant assured him so. He answered similarly when White House press secretary Scott McClellan asked a similar question.

Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, declined Friday to comment on the specifics of the discussions with Bush but confirmed his client maintains _ then and now _ he did not engage in an effort to disclose Plame's identity.

Rove has told a grand jury he first learned of Plame's work for the CIA from news reporters and then discussed it with Novak and Cooper.

"Did Karl purposely set out to disclose Valerie Plame's identity in order to punish Joe Wilson for his criticism? The answer is, 'No,'" Luskin said. "That was his answer in July 2003 and in October 2003 (when he first testified.) And it remains his answer today."

"He always truthfully denied that he was never part of any campaign to punish Joe Wilson by disclosing the identity of his wife," Luskin said.

In addition to Rove's discussions with reporters, investigators are also looking into a delay in learning about Rove's contact with Cooper and an e-mail between Rove and now-National Security Adviser Steve Hadley that referenced the conversation.

Cooper's contact with Rove did not come up in Rove's first interview or grand jury appearance, but he volunteered the information and provided the email during a second grand jury appearance.

Wilson, Plame's husband, went public on July 6, 2003, with criticism of Bush administration officials, suggesting they manipulated intelligence to justify the Iraq war.

Eight days later, Novak revealed the identity of Wilson's wife, giving her maiden name, Valerie Plame, the name she used as a covert CIA officer. Novak said his information about Wilson's wife had come from two senior administration officials.

Rove acknowledged talking to Novak about the story. Cooper's wrote a similar story a few days after also talking with Rove.

 

[Weisse Luft]

Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay's legal team asked Friday for his Texas indictments to be set aside, accusing the prosecutor of misconduct.

DeLay's attorney, **** DeGuerin, alleged in a court motion that Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle unlawfully participated in grand jury deliberations when he went to a second grand jury last week to seek a second indictment against the congressman.

DeGuerin also alleged that Earle "attempted to browbeat and coerce" the second grand jury to change its decision not to indict DeLay so there would be no public record of a rejection.

DeGuerin said the indictment forced DeLay to step down from his job as majority leader, the No. 2 position in the U.S. House, for a crime that did not exist in Texas law.

DeLay was indicted Sept. 28 on a charge of conspiracy as a grand jury's term was expiring. But questions were raised about whether the law on which the indictment was based was in effect at the time of the alleged conspiracy.

Earle went to a second grand jury still in session, but that grand jury declined to vote an indictment. On Monday, a third grand jury indicted DeLay on money laundering charges.

Earle's office did not immediately comment.

The indictments against DeLay triggered a House Republican rule that forced him to step aside _ at least temporarily _ from his post as majority leader.

Both indictments focused on an alleged scheme to move money around to conceal the use of corporate contributions to support Texas Republican candidates. Texas law prohibits corporate donations to support or oppose state candidates _ allowing the money to be used only for administrative expenses.

Two people familiar with the proceedings of the grand jury that "no- billed" DeLay said that Earle tried to persuade the grand jurors that DeLay tacitly approved the scheme and that the prosecutor became angry when they decided against an indictment. The people familiar with the proceeding insisted on anonymity because of grand jury secrecy.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press.

 

[Hypnospin]

this would preempt any of the formalities of "innocent before proven guilty",

an extreme position for a conservative to approve of?

Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay's legal team asked Friday for his Texas indictments to be set aside, accusing the prosecutor of misconduct.


Copyright 2005 The Associated Press.

 

[Hypnospin]

when we think of a guy named "scooter" does a pink izod, tan khakis and white topsiders (sockless) replete with the obligatory sweater loosely tied about the neck come to mind or is it just me?

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is wrapping up an investigation into whether Rove; Vice Presential **** Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scotter" Libby; or other presidential aides divulged Plame's identity in violation of federal law.

.

 

[Wurm]

There will be 3 Republicans on 60 Minutes this Sunday to discuss Freeh's book, but interestingly, CBS has decided not to allow any Dems or former Clinton admin. officials on that show for a response or rebuttal.

And some of you Bush-supporters want to call the media "liberal"? To the contrary, the corporate media have proven themselves to be just another propaganda arm of the Republican Party.

Watch to see how much coverage the various investigations will get, and exactly how the criminal involvement of the Bushites will be downplayed and spun to their advantage.

 

[Hypnospin]

propaganda? what propaganda? you mean the stuff on the front page?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-01-06-williams-whitehouse_x.htm

this is the tip of the shiteberg, as is coming out...

white house=whitewash

 

[Weisse Luft]

Wurm, you are losing your base:

The liberals' hope that Democrats can win back the presidency by drawing sharp ideological contrasts and energizing the partisan base is a fantasy that could cripple the party's efforts to return to power, according to a new study by two prominent Democratic analysts.

In the latest shot in a long-running war over the party's direction -- an argument turned more passionate after Democrat John F. Kerry's loss to President Bush last year -- two intellectuals who have been aligned with former president Bill Clinton warn that the only way back to victory is down the center.

Democrats must "admit that they cannot simply grow themselves out of their electoral dilemmas," wrote William A. Galston and Elaine C. Kamarck, in a report released yesterday. "The groups that were supposed to constitute the new Democratic majority in 2004 simply failed to materialize in sufficient number to overcome the right-center coalition of the Republican Party."

Since Kerry's defeat, some Democrats have urged that the party adopt a political strategy more like one pursued by Bush and his senior adviser, Karl Rove -- which emphasized robust turnout of the party base rather than relentless, Clinton-style tending to "swing voters."

But Galston and Kamarck, both of whom served in the Clinton White House, said there are simply not enough left-leaning voters to make this a workable strategy. In one of their more potentially controversial findings, the authors argue that the rising numbers and influence of well-educated, socially liberal voters in the Democratic Party are pulling the party further from most Americans.

On defense and social issues, "liberals espouse views diverging not only from those of other Democrats, but from Americans as a whole. To the extent that liberals now constitute both the largest bloc within the Democratic coalition and the public face of the party, Democratic candidates for national office will be running uphill."

Galston and Kamarck -- whose work was sponsored by Third Way, a group working with Senate Democrats on centrist policy ideas -- are critical of three other core liberal arguments:


· They warn against overreliance on a strategy of solving political problems by "reframing" the language by which they present their ideas, as advocated by linguist George Lakoff of the University of California at Berkeley: "The best rhetoric will fail if the public rejects the substance of a candidate's agenda or entertains doubts about his integrity."


· They say liberals who count on rising numbers of Hispanic voters fail to recognize the growing strength of the GOP among Hispanics, as well as the growing weakness of Democrats with white Catholics and married women.


· They contend that Democrats who hope the party's relative advantages on health care and education can vault them back to power "fail the test of political reality in the post-9/11 world." Security issues have become "threshold" questions for many voters, and cultural issues have become "a prism of candidates' individual character and family life," Galston and Kamarck argue.

Their basic thesis is that the number of solidly conservative Republican voters is substantially larger that the reliably Democratic liberal voter base. To win, the argument goes, Democrats must make much larger inroads among moderates than the GOP.

Galston, a professor of public policy at the University of Maryland, and Kamarck, a lecturer at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, in 1989 wrote the influential paper, "The Politics of Evasion," which helped set the stage for Clinton's presidential bid and the prominent role of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council. In some ways, the report released yesterday showed how difficult the debate is to resolve.

Their recommendations are much less specific than their detailed analysis of the difficulties facing the Democratic Party.

They suggest that Democratic presidential candidates replicate Clinton's tactics in 1992, when he broke with the party's liberal base by approving the execution of a semi-retarded prisoner, by challenging liberal icon Jesse L. Jackson and by calling for an end to welfare "as we know it."

 

[Weisse Luft]

this would preempt any of the formalities of "innocent before proven guilty",

an exterme position for a conservative to approve of?

Considering the hen-picking Earl went through with Grand Juries to get his indictments, this is certainly acceptable. Consider one of the jury foremen who entered the jury room with a predisposed idea to indict, saying ON PUBLIC RADIO he had made up his mind BEFORE SEEING THE EVIDENCE! That is a tainted jury, something that will not happen in the trial, if it ever happens.

Also consider the time constraints. Earl had waited until the last hour and rushed the jury. This is tainted justice.

 

[Hypnospin]

you may find more sources for cut 'n paste of the type you offer up here, not to mention being able to preach to the choir.

http://www.freerepublic.com

if just keep your posts as short and monosyllabic (example: "let's roll")
as possible, you can hang.

Wurm, you are losing your base:

 

[limerickman]

yeah seems this freeh did stay on,
.

You know when it comes to money, freeh's principles went out the window.
It's always the way with people like him.

Now he's trying to earn more more money with sensationalism.
He's a Fagin.

 

[limerickman]

Considering the hen-picking Earl went through with Grand Juries to get his indictments, this is certainly acceptable. Consider one of the jury foremen who entered the jury room with a predisposed idea to indict, saying ON PUBLIC RADIO he had made up his mind BEFORE SEEING THE EVIDENCE! That is a tainted jury, something that will not happen in the trial, if it ever happens.

Also consider the time constraints. Earl had waited until the last hour and rushed the jury. This is tainted justice.

..........hey, you're in no position to talk about justice.

 

[Wurm]

Wurm, you are losing your base:

I highly doubt it.

The truth is, GWB and the Repigs are the ones with their popularity/approval #'s in the cellar. 37% is the most recent I've seen.

Of course, you'll pretend it isn't happening...

 

[Weisse Luft]

I highly doubt it.

The truth is, GWB and the Repigs are the ones with their popularity/approval #'s in the cellar. 37% is the most recent I've seen.

Of course, you'll pretend it isn't happening...

Guess again, brightboy. Its 45% and RISING. But polls only indicate one moment...something to do with an advanced math dealing with change...but that is lost on weak minds, like ones that cannot comprehend simple economics.

You know what else is up? Tax revenue! Amazing how a CUT in the tax rate INCREASES revenue.

Weak minds cannot comprehend change. To the liberals, everything is static. This might explain why vegetarians are mostly liberals...vegetarian, Native word for "bad hunter".

Speaking of that, I have to go sight in my hunting rifles...already have a young buck cooling out in the 'fridge from this morning's bow hunt. Next month, when the deer are more skittish, I will harvest a few in rifle season.

 

[Hypnospin]

when we generalize there is always a risk to remain close minded, and, to some extent, remain ignorant as a result.

my camo bear whitetail compound IS freshly sighted, counterweighted, silenced, pull dialed, ready to go with spring rest and custom easton treebark shafts and SHARP broadheads ready in two quivers...also i do not use a wristguard, glove, release or rangefinder.

ah the venison in oregon, clover fed, you know. i hope you do not have to resort to the less palatable oak scrub fed, it'll do, but the clover fed taste like veal, i swear. steaks, sausage, jerky, smoked, you name it.

"when a bird has two right wings, it flies around in circles"
-pat paulson, presidential candidate

. This might explain why vegetarians are mostly liberals...vegetarian, Native word for "bad hunter".

Speaking of that, I have to go sight in my hunting rifles...already have a young buck cooling out in the 'fridge from this morning's bow hunt. Next month, when the deer are more skittish, I will harvest a few in rifle season.

 

[Wurm]

Guess again, brightboy. Its 45% and RISING. But polls only indicate one moment...something to do with an advanced math dealing with change...but that is lost on weak minds, like ones that cannot comprehend simple economics.

You know what else is up? Tax revenue! Amazing how a CUT in the tax rate INCREASES revenue.

Weak minds cannot comprehend change. To the liberals, everything is static. This might explain why vegetarians are mostly liberals...vegetarian, Native word for "bad hunter".

Speaking of that, I have to go sight in my hunting rifles...already have a young buck cooling out in the 'fridge from this morning's bow hunt. Next month, when the deer are more skittish, I will harvest a few in rifle season.

I guess it depends on who/where you get your poll numbers from. If you're quoting Gallup, forget it - they're known as spin-meisters for the Rethugs. Of course the same goes for anything you might be getting off Faux News or Newsmax, etc.

Tax revenue is up? I tend to doubt it, but even if true, why don't you ask yourself where the bulk of that revenue is going? Hint: corporate welfare subsidies, excessive & unnecessary military spending, and cronyist contracts to Halliburton, Bechtel, etc., INCLUDING in the so-called "rebuilding" of New Orleans.

Not to mention the 8 BILLION in Iraq that has mysteriously and inexplicably gone missing under Paul Bremer's watch, and now the missing BILLIONS of Iraq's defense budget under the new puppets.

"Weak minds"? Does your bragging of your supposed hunting prowess have a purpose?

Here's a little story for ya:

There were never firearms in my house when I was growing up, because my father had had a very serious hunting accident when he was 16. The front part of his mouth was hit from the side by a rifle shot, this during deer hunting where he and another were flushing out the deer from a valley, and their other 2 companions were atop the hillsides waiting for the deer to show. One of the trigger-happy nit-wits on the hill decided he wanted to be the first to bag a deer for the season, so he shot first before making sure of what he was shooting at.

My father lost most of his teeth, suffered through nearly 2 years of plastic surgery, was permanently scarred physically and emotionally, and lost his ability to play trombone. Here was a guy that could, for example, accurately play 64th notes on a trombone - no easy feat that. He had won every competition he had ever entered, to the point that judges wouldn't let him enter a competition because they thought he was a professional, (he was only 14 at the time). He had outstanding offers from Julliard and Berklee that he couldn't take up after the accident. The NY Philharmonic even said they'd take him on and train him themselves, but he had to wait due to his young age. Then some yahoo got stupid while hunting deer.

I myself did a stint in the U.S. Army, where I was not one bit adverse to learning how to handle a weapon. I rated "Expert" with an M-16 and grenade. When I got out, I did some hunting, but it never really appealed to me like it does to some people, for obvious reasons.

As far as "vegetarian", you make a lot of assumptions there too. I still eat meat, but I've been told by my doctor to avoid red meat, sodium, and high cholesterol foods because I had a heart attack 2 years ago, and still have an ongoing cardiac condition.

Now, have you any more dumb-assed stereotypes you'd like to throw out there?