PING JC: TKD?

Lynne A said:

From what I've seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before
starting-any suggestions on good sources of carbs? I hate
SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying to buy that many glucose
tabs.

Any starch will do, like a bagel.

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Lynne A said:

From what I've seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before
starting-any suggestions on good sources of carbs? I hate
SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying to buy that many glucose
tabs.

Any starch will do, like a bagel.

Bagels??? Awesome!! I really, really miss bagels-biiiiig smooch for you, DJ!

Lynne A
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Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me
about
a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am wondering
about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting days. What's your
opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or pointers? From what I've
seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before starting-any suggestions on
good sources of carbs? I hate SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying
to
buy that many glucose tabs.

TIA for any advice!

Lynne A
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I can't believe anyone here is actually taking advice from JC, that is a
scary thought!

There really is a "sucker" born every minute...

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Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me
about
a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am wondering
about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting days. What's

your

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opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or pointers? From what I've
seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before starting-any suggestions

on

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good sources of carbs? I hate SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke

trying

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to
buy that many glucose tabs.

TIA for any advice!

Lynne A
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And you know exactly WHAT about TKD and CKD?? Oh, and BTW-suck my [censored]

Lynne A
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Lynne A said:

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Any starch will do, like a bagel.

Bagels??? Awesome!! I really, really miss bagels-biiiiig smooch for you, DJ!

Hey, notice I said BAGEL. Not BAGELS. One big bagel is 50g of carbs!

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Lynne A said:

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Any starch will do, like a bagel.

Bagels??? Awesome!! I really, really miss bagels-biiiiig smooch for you,

DJ!

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Hey, notice I said BAGEL. Not BAGELS. One big bagel is 50g of carbs!

I didn't mean more than one at once<G> But the thought of getting to eat a
lovely bagel every other day is just wonderful!

Lynne A
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Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me
about
a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am wondering
about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting days. What's your
opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or pointers? From what I've
seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before starting-any suggestions on
good sources of carbs? I hate SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying
to
buy that many glucose tabs.

TIA for any advice!

My experience with either TKD or CKD is that unless you're lifting very
heavy and very seriously, you're better off just sticking with low-carb for
a while. I used CKD about 8 years ago. I was lifting 4 days a week, a good
couple of hours each day. I was increasing my weights every week, and could
definately feel a difference from week beginning to week end since I was
completely burning off my glycogen stores. After a "carb-up" on the
weekend, Monday lifts felt great! Everything was lighter. Lots of fun.
That said, I lift 3-4 days a week now, but *much* less intently. I stick
with low-carb and yet still have been increasing my weights. I do allow
myself some extra carbs as a post-workout treat along with protein. The
carbs will help replenish the lost stores, and protein will help repair
muscles. Definitely a necessity. I suppose I unconsciously did a TKD, but
I don't think I'd worry much about taking glucose tabs. Just pick a good
whole grain carb, or a protein bar with a low carb count. All will be good.
Allow yourself to get through the D.O.M.S. (delayed onset muscle soreness)
before worrying about this stuff.
Good luck!
Mark

You gotta [censored]? ROFL...... My trainer eats a banana instead of a bagel.
I didnt ask him why but he does.
Laureen
410/326/180

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I can't believe anyone here is actually taking advice from JC, that

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scary thought!

There really is a "sucker" born every minute...

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Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only

took me

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about
a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am

wondering

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about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting days.

What's

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your

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opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or pointers? From

what I've

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seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before starting-any

suggestions

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on

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good sources of carbs? I hate SweetTarts, and I'll be going

broke

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trying

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to
buy that many glucose tabs.

TIA for any advice!

Lynne A
[email hidden]

And you know exactly WHAT about TKD and CKD?? Oh, and BTW-suck my

[censored]

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Lynne A
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Lynne A said:

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Lynne A said:

> Any starch will do, like a bagel.

Bagels??? Awesome!! I really, really miss bagels-biiiiig smooch
for you,

DJ!

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Hey, notice I said BAGEL. Not BAGELS. One big bagel is 50g of
carbs!

I didn't mean more than one at once<G> But the thought of getting to
eat a lovely bagel every other day is just wonderful!

This is messed up.

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Lynne A
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"Lynne A" <[email hidden]> writes:
> > Any starch will do, like a bagel.
>
> Bagels??? Awesome!! I really, really miss bagels-biiiiig smooch
> for you,

DJ!

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Hey, notice I said BAGEL. Not BAGELS. One big bagel is 50g of
carbs!

I didn't mean more than one at once<G> But the thought of getting to
eat a lovely bagel every other day is just wonderful!

This is messed up.

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Lynne A
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How so?

Lynne A
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Laureen said:

My trainer eats a banana instead of a bagel.

I thought of that, as it was suggested by my trainer also. Bananas
have potassium, which may help, but I was slightly put off by the
amount of fructose in bananas. Bagels have a much higher proportion
of glucose-based carbs, which are more readily absorbed by muscles
rather than liver.

Although... Lyle often recommends a small amount of fructose to get
your liver into a mode more appropriate for muscle building, so maybe
there's something to that.

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You gotta [censored]? ROFL...... My trainer eats a banana instead of a bagel.
I didnt ask him why but he does.
Laureen
410/326/180

Lynne A said:

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I can't believe anyone here is actually taking advice from JC, that

is a

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scary thought!

There really is a "sucker" born every minute...

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"Lynne A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only

took me

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> about
> a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am

wondering

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Quoted message said:

> about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting days.

What's

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your

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> opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or pointers? From

what I've

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> seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before starting-any

suggestions

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on

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> good sources of carbs? I hate SweetTarts, and I'll be going

broke

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trying

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> to
> buy that many glucose tabs.
>
> TIA for any advice!
>
> Lynne A
> [email hidden]
>
>

And you know exactly WHAT about TKD and CKD?? Oh, and BTW-suck my

[censored]

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Lynne A
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Nawww, but it's one of my favorite lines from a movie! LOL Not that I'm a
big Demi Moore fan, but that scene was awesome<G>

Bananas and other fruit aren't supposed to be as good, since fructose goes
directly to the liver and can kick you out of ketosis. Which is a damned
shame as much as I love bananas<SIGH>

Lynne A
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"Lynne A" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me
about
a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am wondering
about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting days. What's

your

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or pointers? From what I've
seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before starting-any suggestions

on

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

good sources of carbs? I hate SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke

trying

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to
buy that many glucose tabs.

TIA for any advice!

My experience with either TKD or CKD is that unless you're lifting very
heavy and very seriously, you're better off just sticking with low-carb

for

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a while. I used CKD about 8 years ago. I was lifting 4 days a week, a

good

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couple of hours each day. I was increasing my weights every week, and

could

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definately feel a difference from week beginning to week end since I was
completely burning off my glycogen stores. After a "carb-up" on the
weekend, Monday lifts felt great! Everything was lighter. Lots of fun.
That said, I lift 3-4 days a week now, but *much* less intently. I stick
with low-carb and yet still have been increasing my weights. I do allow
myself some extra carbs as a post-workout treat along with protein. The
carbs will help replenish the lost stores, and protein will help repair
muscles. Definitely a necessity. I suppose I unconsciously did a TKD,

but

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I don't think I'd worry much about taking glucose tabs. Just pick a good
whole grain carb, or a protein bar with a low carb count. All will be

good.

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Allow yourself to get through the D.O.M.S. (delayed onset muscle soreness)
before worrying about this stuff.
Good luck!
Mark

Thanks so much for the input, Mark! This is definitely an experiment, I
want to see what difference, if any, the TKD makes. I'm definitely not
lifting heavy yet, but it's heavy for me<LOL> I am increasing weight weekly
though. I don't care for the protein bars, but whole grains are good, I can
definitely go there. As far as DOMS, it's my life right now<G> Getting
easier day by day, though, as is the Pilates I do on my off days.

Lynne A
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For carb ups on a TKD I've used white bread (sometimes with ham or turkey,
sometimes with rasberry jam, and sometimes with powdered sugar and
cinnamon), and I've also used breakfast cereal (I like Honey Smacks or Corn
Pops) with skim milk. These seem to have a fairly fast effect (as you can
see, I'm not too worried about a little bit of fructose, and I like to have
a little protein added sometimes also). I would stay away from anything
with whole grains for what should be obvious reasons. That being said, I
really prefer the CKD over the TKD. I get a lot more mileage out of carbing
up for a whole day once a week, than I do with the little bits and pieces.
This may be because of the way I train and/or the way I follow my diet, I
couldn't really say. It just seems that with a TKD, I never really get the
full benefit of being carbed up, and I also never get to the point of being
completed depleted. In your shoes, I would try them both out for a while and
see how they fit.

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Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me
about
a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am wondering
about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting days. What's your
opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or pointers? From what I've
seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before starting-any suggestions on
good sources of carbs? I hate SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying
to
buy that many glucose tabs.

TIA for any advice!

Lynne A
[email hidden]

JC Der Koenig said:

For carb ups on a TKD I've used white bread (sometimes with ham or turkey,
sometimes with rasberry jam, and sometimes with powdered sugar and
cinnamon), and I've also used breakfast cereal (I like Honey Smacks or Corn
Pops) with skim milk. These seem to have a fairly fast effect (as you can
see, I'm not too worried about a little bit of fructose, and I like to have
a little protein added sometimes also). I would stay away from anything
with whole grains for what should be obvious reasons. That being said, I
really prefer the CKD over the TKD. I get a lot more mileage out of carbing
up for a whole day once a week, than I do with the little bits and pieces.
This may be because of the way I train and/or the way I follow my diet, I
couldn't really say. It just seems that with a TKD, I never really get the
full benefit of being carbed up, and I also never get to the point of being
completed depleted. In your shoes, I would try them both out for a while and
see how they fit.

Post some pics Fatboy!

Lynne A said:

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> "Lynne A" <[email hidden]> writes:
> > > Any starch will do, like a bagel.
> >
> > Bagels??? Awesome!! I really, really miss bagels-biiiiig smooch
> > for you,
DJ!
>
> Hey, notice I said BAGEL. Not BAGELS. One big bagel is 50g of
> carbs!

I didn't mean more than one at once<G> But the thought of getting
to eat a lovely bagel every other day is just wonderful!

This is messed up.

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Lynne A
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How so?

Do you have a need for a TKD? Don't use the fact that you're lifting as any
automatic excuse to start eating bagels and other starchy foods. People who
do 2 lb dumbbell curls generally don't need any kind of extra carbs.

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Lynne A said:

Thanks so much for the input, Mark! This is definitely an
experiment, I want to see what difference, if any, the TKD makes.
I'm definitely not lifting heavy yet, but it's heavy for me<LOL> I
am increasing weight weekly though. I don't care for the protein
bars, but whole grains are good, I can definitely go there. As far
as DOMS, it's my life right now<G> Getting easier day by day,
though, as is the Pilates I do on my off days.

What kind of routine are you doing? What movements, number of sets, reps?

Lynne A said:

Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took
me about a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I
am wondering about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting
days. What's your opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or
pointers? From what I've seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min.
before starting-any suggestions on good sources of carbs? I hate
SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying to buy that many glucose
tabs.

Why don't you go to the horse's mouth on this? Buy Lyle's keto book.

www.bodyrecomposition.com
(work your way to the products page)

Get the full scoup, rather than going off half-cocked....

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TIA for any advice!

Lynne A
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Lynne A said:

Well, JC, I finally took your advice and starting lifting-only took me about
a year after you suggested it. I'm still low carbing, so I am wondering
about starting a TKD so I have more juice on my lifting days. What's your
opinion of TKD, and do you have any advice or pointers? From what I've
seen, it's 25-50 gm of carbs 30-60 min. before starting-any suggestions on
good sources of carbs? I hate SweetTarts, and I'll be going broke trying to
buy that many glucose tabs.

TIA for any advice!

Lynne A
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I've used TKD off and on for many years and would suggest that
unless you're really lifting with intensity you shouldn't worry
too much about doing something like TKD or CKD. If you're just
starting to lift with some intensity and you can quanitify that
you're not lifitng well because of being depleted, I'd suggest
that you consider TKD over CKD at first. CKD takes a bit more
control and effort to do and see results.

I'd also suggest that you carb-up mostly after you train. The
idea of TKD is to replinish for the next workout. Plus getting
the increased raised insulin level after a workout helps with
recovery.

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