PING JC: TKD?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

Luna said:

In article <1114441057.37b0d42af749b24cc510912a23757be3@bubbanews>,

Lynne A said:

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
> people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and
> look for new ones. Instead I look at it as something I have to
> do, but not something particularly onerous. Like brushing my
> teeth, getting my oil changed, doing my laundry. Sure, I'd rather
> be doing something else, but if I skip it I'll regret it when my
> teeth fall out, my engine freezes up, or I run out of clean
> clothes. I exercise to keep my body running well just like I
> change the oil to keep my car running well.

I can definitely see that, Luna, just gotta do what works for YOU.
For me, at this point, it's fun trying to figure all this out, but
if it ever gets to the point where it's not, well, then it's just
time for me to butch up<LOL>

Lynne A
[email hidden]

Makes sense. I know I was a lot more excited about it in the
beginning,
now it's just my routine. I try to get excited about what life will
be
like when I'm thin, but having already had a taste of those changes
when
I first went from 200+ to 150, there's really not much to look forward
to, imo. Thin or fat, there are still the same amount of challenges,
they're just different challenges. Life gets easier in some ways and
harder in others. What keeps me motivated to exercise is my fear of
ending up like my grandmother, with hip and knee problems so bad she
can barely walk. What keeps me motivated to eat well is that when I
don't I feel lethargic and irritable.

I can't think of a single way in which life got harder for me by losing 142
lbs. Not one, besides having to buy a bunch of new clothes and give a lot
of good clothes away....

You sound "afraid" to me, Luna.

So you didn't have guys who formerly ignored you suddenly hitting on
you, huh? Some things are a bit different for women than for men. I
don't always want sexual attention from men I don't know. I also wasn't
too fond of the thin girls who formerly ignored me suddenly treating me
like I was one of "them" and assuming I'd also like to join in on their
catty comments about girls who are fatter than I am. Also didn't enjoy
blatantly mean comments from girls who still are fat, who used to be
nice to me, telling me that I was getting too thin, making backhanded
compliments, and calling me an "uppity [censored]" behind my back because
they were jealous, when honestly I was still treating others the same
way I'd always treated them. Didn't like telling my sister she looked
pretty and then her breaking down crying and telling me she hated me for
losing weight when she wasn't.

Aside from the differences in how I was treated by others, I also don't
like having loose wrinkly skin on my [censored] and thighs, having to spend
money I can't afford on new clothes every freakin' month, and just the
general feeling of shrinking. It feels weird and disorienting when your
body keeps changing, even if the changes are positive. It was all
awkward, like puberty all over again.

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

Quoted message said:

Makes sense. I know I was a lot more excited about it in the
beginning,
now it's just my routine. I try to get excited about what life
will
be
like when I'm thin, but having already had a taste of those changes
when
I first went from 200+ to 150, there's really not much to look
forward to, imo. Thin or fat, there are still the same amount of
challenges, they're just different challenges. Life gets easier
in some ways and harder in others. What keeps me motivated to
exercise is my fear of ending up like my grandmother, with hip and
knee problems so bad she
can barely walk. What keeps me motivated to eat well is that when
I don't I feel lethargic and irritable.

I can't think of a single way in which life got harder for me by
losing 142 lbs. Not one, besides having to buy a bunch of new
clothes and give a lot of good clothes away....

You sound "afraid" to me, Luna.

So you didn't have guys who formerly ignored you suddenly hitting on
you, huh?

No...guys generally don't hit on me..whether I know them or not. And if the
were to, they get hit back.

Quoted message said:

Some things are a bit different for women than for men.

Okay..

Quoted message said:

I
don't always want sexual attention from men I don't know.

So? Doesn't every woman deal with this?

I also

Quoted message said:

wasn't
too fond of the thin girls who formerly ignored me suddenly treating
me
like I was one of "them" and assuming I'd also like to join in on
their catty comments about girls who are fatter than I am.

That's their issue...what does it have to do with you? Ignore them.

Also

Quoted message said:

didn't enjoy blatantly mean comments from girls who still are fat,
who used to be
nice to me, telling me that I was getting too thin, making backhanded
compliments, and calling me an "uppity [censored]" behind my back because
they were jealous, when honestly I was still treating others the same
way I'd always treated them.

That's their issue...you control your response to it...

Quoted message said:

Didn't like telling my sister she looked
pretty and then her breaking down crying and telling me she hated me
for losing weight when she wasn't.

So the hell what, Luna? It's her issue....if she wants to lose weight, then
it's her choice. Why should you base how you feel on HER limitations?
Afraid to stand up for yourself?

Quoted message said:

Aside from the differences in how I was treated by others, I also

You can never control how others treat you...but you can control your
response to them...

Quoted message said:

don't
like having loose wrinkly skin on my [censored] and thighs,

So...either that or extra fat and the problems it causes...

having to spend

Quoted message said:

money I can't afford on new clothes every freakin' month, and just the
general feeling of shrinking.

Wear them baggie for a few months..

It feels weird and disorienting when

Quoted message said:

your body keeps changing, even if the changes are positive. It was
all
awkward, like puberty all over again.

Geez...get over it already...it should feel better to be able to move
easier...do get out and have fun...you wear your body every day, so these
changes come very slowly and you simply grow into them.

[censored], I've lost almost as much as you weigh, Luna. You're telling me that
just because I'm a man that I'm immune to this BS you're talking? What goes
on in your head makes a huge difference in how life is for you. Work on
that, some.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

[censored], I've lost almost as much as you weigh, Luna. You're telling me that
just because I'm a man that I'm immune to this BS you're talking? What goes
on in your head makes a huge difference in how life is for you. Work on
that, some.

I'm just saying that losing weight requires adjustments, and being thin
requires a different way of being in the world, and making those
adjustments isn't always fun. Yes, when people treat you differently
it's their issue, but it's an added thing I had to deal with that I
wasn't ready for. I had also used my fatness as an excuse to avoid a
lot of things, and when that excuse is gone, I'll have to face reality.
And the reality is that no matter what weight I am, I don't fit
comfortably in the world around me. When I'm no longer fat, and I can't
blame it on that, I'll be left with blaming it on my odd personality,
which isn't something I can change.

Nothing works for you because you are special and unique.

Now you have all the excuses you'll ever need.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for
new ones.

And yet you snipped the part where I said what actually does work for
me. Or maybe you didn't read that far, since you can only read so many
words before your brain gets tired. That's why you keep telling people
to be more brief, right? So you don't have to wear out your poor widdle
brain with all those words? Poor widdle JC.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Nothing works for you because you are special and unique.

Now you have all the excuses you'll ever need.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for
new ones.

Obviously whatever might have worked for you in the past isn't working for
you anymore.

Nothing is working for you because you're special and unique.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

And yet you snipped the part where I said what actually does work for
me. >
In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Nothing works for you because you are special and unique.

Now you have all the excuses you'll ever need.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look
for
new ones.

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

[censored], I've lost almost as much as you weigh, Luna. You're telling
me that just because I'm a man that I'm immune to this BS you're
talking? What goes on in your head makes a huge difference in how
life is for you. Work on that, some.

I'm just saying that losing weight requires adjustments, and being
thin requires a different way of being in the world, and making those
adjustments isn't always fun. Yes, when people treat you differently
it's their issue, but it's an added thing I had to deal with that I
wasn't ready for. I had also used my fatness as an excuse to avoid a
lot of things, and when that excuse is gone, I'll have to face
reality.
And the reality is that no matter what weight I am, I don't fit
comfortably in the world around me. When I'm no longer fat, and I
can't blame it on that, I'll be left with blaming it on my odd
personality,
which isn't something I can change.

Well....If you say so. You don't seem odd at all on-line, but who
knows...but you know, everyone can grow, and in many ways. Perhaps you can
grow by learning to face up to those fears...it really would be of benefit
to you, so you can fully enjoy who you are and who you can be....I mean, I'm
just saying...life's too short to be a lovely person while walking around
with a head full of issues holding you back...

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'm just saying that losing weight requires adjustments, and being thin
requires a different way of being in the world, and making those
adjustments isn't always fun. Yes, when people treat you differently
it's their issue, but it's an added thing I had to deal with that I
wasn't ready for. I had also used my fatness as an excuse to avoid a
lot of things, and when that excuse is gone, I'll have to face reality.
And the reality is that no matter what weight I am, I don't fit
comfortably in the world around me. When I'm no longer fat, and I can't
blame it on that, I'll be left with blaming it on my odd personality,
which isn't something I can change.

So? I have an odd personality, and I happen to like it-normal is soooo
boring. I've never fit in with the world around me, but it doesn't bother
me once I look at the average population of said world.

Lynne A
[email hidden], who has been weird and thin and weird and fat-weird
and thin is a LOT more fun!

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Obviously whatever might have worked for you in the past isn't working for
you anymore.

Being motivated primarily by the excitement and interest of a new hobby
wasn't working any more. Excitement wears off. Eating less and
exercising more isn't always fun. Will you stop doing it when it isn't
fun anymore, like you would with a hobby like macramé or origami?

Quoted message said:

Nothing is working for you because you're special and unique.

Never said nothing was working for me. Just said thinking of it as a
hobby wasn't working for me. I take it more seriously than I would a
hobby, which keeps me from quitting just because it's not fun.

Quoted message said:

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

And yet you snipped the part where I said what actually does work for
me. >
In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

Nothing works for you because you are special and unique.

Now you have all the excuses you'll ever need.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
> Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
> people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look
> for
> new ones.

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

Luna said:

In article <1114441057.37b0d42af749b24cc510912a23757be3@bubbanews>,
"Lynne A" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> > Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
> > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and
> > look for new ones. Instead I look at it as something I have to
> > do, but not something particularly onerous. Like brushing my
> > teeth, getting my oil changed, doing my laundry. Sure, I'd rather
> > be doing something else, but if I skip it I'll regret it when my
> > teeth fall out, my engine freezes up, or I run out of clean
> > clothes. I exercise to keep my body running well just like I
> > change the oil to keep my car running well.
>
> I can definitely see that, Luna, just gotta do what works for YOU.
> For me, at this point, it's fun trying to figure all this out, but
> if it ever gets to the point where it's not, well, then it's just
> time for me to butch up<LOL>
>
> Lynne A
> [email hidden]

Makes sense. I know I was a lot more excited about it in the
beginning,
now it's just my routine. I try to get excited about what life will
be
like when I'm thin, but having already had a taste of those changes
when
I first went from 200+ to 150, there's really not much to look forward
to, imo. Thin or fat, there are still the same amount of challenges,
they're just different challenges. Life gets easier in some ways and
harder in others. What keeps me motivated to exercise is my fear of
ending up like my grandmother, with hip and knee problems so bad she
can barely walk. What keeps me motivated to eat well is that when I
don't I feel lethargic and irritable.

I can't think of a single way in which life got harder for me by losing 142
lbs. Not one, besides having to buy a bunch of new clothes and give a lot
of good clothes away....

You sound "afraid" to me, Luna.

So you didn't have guys who formerly ignored you suddenly hitting on
you, huh? Some things are a bit different for women than for men. I
don't always want sexual attention from men I don't know. I also wasn't
too fond of the thin girls who formerly ignored me suddenly treating me
like I was one of "them" and assuming I'd also like to join in on their
catty comments about girls who are fatter than I am. Also didn't enjoy
blatantly mean comments from girls who still are fat, who used to be
nice to me, telling me that I was getting too thin, making backhanded
compliments, and calling me an "uppity [censored]" behind my back because
they were jealous, when honestly I was still treating others the same
way I'd always treated them. Didn't like telling my sister she looked
pretty and then her breaking down crying and telling me she hated me for
losing weight when she wasn't.

Aside from the differences in how I was treated by others, I also don't
like having loose wrinkly skin on my [censored] and thighs, having to spend
money I can't afford on new clothes every freakin' month, and just the
general feeling of shrinking. It feels weird and disorienting when your
body keeps changing, even if the changes are positive. It was all
awkward, like puberty all over again.

It sounds like you need new friends. Those you've mentioned in the post
are seriously toxic. How big is the town/city you're living at? I
remember you mentioned that it would be too hard for you to move away
from your Dad, so you're staying put in the apartment and the town/city
you're living in. Is the place big enough for you to get new friends??
I hope it is.

I agree with you that no matter what's your size, life doesn't get
easier or harder. There are always challenges. New challenges come up
when the old ones are gone (or you got used to dealing with them). It's
just the way things are.

Lynne A said:

But it's SOOO embarrassing!LOL I do get your point, though-I'll do some
checking and see if I can find someone reasonably close to help me. I live
in EBF, South Dakota, so I'm not sure how easy that will be, but I
definitely don't want Joe Muscle at the gym telling me what's right or
wrong-I want a professional, TY.

To be fair, I know some "Joe Muscle" types at the gym that I'd
prefer to train me than a few certified trainers that I know.
That's because some trainers don't automatically think that women
want to build a lot of muscle or strength. And that's
understandable because 95% of women don't come in saying they
want to get strong and add muscle mass, they say they want to
lose weight and get "toned." So many trainers do get into that
stereotype mindset as well.

Trainers all have their own take on things and specialties. When
you interview trainers be really clear about what you want and
gage their reactions.

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"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!"
-Emiliano Zapata

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Lynne A said:

Well, ok, but I can tell you now, it ain't gonna be much!LOL I don't know
if it's the exercise, or the recent change in my meds, but I really don't
have much appetite most of the time. What about if I had a protein shake
before my workout, and then lunch after? I could probably handle that, and
it wouldn't add too many calories to my day.

That would be fine. Just keep in mind that the time after
training as a "window of opportunity" -- your muscles are more
prime to uptake fuel for recovery at that time.

--
Rudy - Remove the Z from my address to respond.

"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!"
-Emiliano Zapata

Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at:
http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm

I'm in Bismarck. 🙂 I've never been to the Black Hills, shame on me.

--
Jen in ND
184/174/140

In article <[email hidden]>,

A_M said:

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:
> In article <1114441057.37b0d42af749b24cc510912a23757be3@bubbanews>,
> "Lynne A" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> "Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
>> > people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and
>> > look for new ones. Instead I look at it as something I have to
>> > do, but not something particularly onerous. Like brushing my
>> > teeth, getting my oil changed, doing my laundry. Sure, I'd rather
>> > be doing something else, but if I skip it I'll regret it when my
>> > teeth fall out, my engine freezes up, or I run out of clean
>> > clothes. I exercise to keep my body running well just like I
>> > change the oil to keep my car running well.
>>
>> I can definitely see that, Luna, just gotta do what works for YOU.
>> For me, at this point, it's fun trying to figure all this out, but
>> if it ever gets to the point where it's not, well, then it's just
>> time for me to butch up<LOL>
>>
>> Lynne A
>> [email hidden]
>
> Makes sense. I know I was a lot more excited about it in the
> beginning,
> now it's just my routine. I try to get excited about what life will
> be
> like when I'm thin, but having already had a taste of those changes
> when
> I first went from 200+ to 150, there's really not much to look forward
> to, imo. Thin or fat, there are still the same amount of challenges,
> they're just different challenges. Life gets easier in some ways and
> harder in others. What keeps me motivated to exercise is my fear of
> ending up like my grandmother, with hip and knee problems so bad she
> can barely walk. What keeps me motivated to eat well is that when I
> don't I feel lethargic and irritable.

I can't think of a single way in which life got harder for me by losing
142
lbs. Not one, besides having to buy a bunch of new clothes and give a
lot
of good clothes away....

You sound "afraid" to me, Luna.

So you didn't have guys who formerly ignored you suddenly hitting on
you, huh? Some things are a bit different for women than for men. I
don't always want sexual attention from men I don't know. I also wasn't
too fond of the thin girls who formerly ignored me suddenly treating me
like I was one of "them" and assuming I'd also like to join in on their
catty comments about girls who are fatter than I am. Also didn't enjoy
blatantly mean comments from girls who still are fat, who used to be
nice to me, telling me that I was getting too thin, making backhanded
compliments, and calling me an "uppity [censored]" behind my back because
they were jealous, when honestly I was still treating others the same
way I'd always treated them. Didn't like telling my sister she looked
pretty and then her breaking down crying and telling me she hated me for
losing weight when she wasn't.

Aside from the differences in how I was treated by others, I also don't
like having loose wrinkly skin on my [censored] and thighs, having to spend
money I can't afford on new clothes every freakin' month, and just the
general feeling of shrinking. It feels weird and disorienting when your
body keeps changing, even if the changes are positive. It was all
awkward, like puberty all over again.

It sounds like you need new friends. Those you've mentioned in the post
are seriously toxic. How big is the town/city you're living at? I
remember you mentioned that it would be too hard for you to move away
from your Dad, so you're staying put in the apartment and the town/city
you're living in. Is the place big enough for you to get new friends??
I hope it is.

I have a few close friends who aren't catty like that. It's more the
people on the periphery, the ones I don't know that well. I live in
Atlanta, plenty of room for new friends, it's just hard to fit in when
you're an atheist in the Bible belt, when you're politically
conservative so you don't fit in with other atheists, when most people
your own age are married with kids so they pretty much stick with other
marrieds, when books are your main interest and so few people anywhere
in the country read for pleasure. I've tried to expand my social circle
by going to meetups, but that was a miserable failure. The atheist
group was all about Bush bashing, the graphic design group was 4
miserable people all there hoping to get work from the others, the
science fiction group wanted to talk only about movies and Star Drek. I
thought I had a new possibility open up recently when a friend of mine
invited me to Team Trivia with his friends, but after going a few times
he abruptly vanished and isn't returning mine or anyone else's calls for
the past couple of months.

Quoted message said:

I agree with you that no matter what's your size, life doesn't get
easier or harder. There are always challenges. New challenges come up
when the old ones are gone (or you got used to dealing with them). It's
just the way things are.

Exactly. If I'm going to be miserable and lonely anyway, I may as well
be thin and healthy while I'm doing it.

Luna wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Obviously whatever might have worked for you in the past isn't
::: working for you anymore.
:::
::
:: Being motivated primarily by the excitement and interest of a new
:: hobby wasn't working any more. Excitement wears off. Eating less
:: and exercising more isn't always fun. Will you stop doing it when
:: it isn't fun anymore, like you would with a hobby like macramé or
:: origami?
::
::: Nothing is working for you because you're special and unique.
::
:: Never said nothing was working for me. Just said thinking of it as a
:: hobby wasn't working for me. I take it more seriously than I would a
:: hobby, which keeps me from quitting just because it's not fun.

I take my hobbies very seriously...because they're fun.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

Luna wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Obviously whatever might have worked for you in the past isn't
::: working for you anymore.
:::
::
:: Being motivated primarily by the excitement and interest of a new
:: hobby wasn't working any more. Excitement wears off. Eating less
:: and exercising more isn't always fun. Will you stop doing it when
:: it isn't fun anymore, like you would with a hobby like macramé or
:: origami?
::
::: Nothing is working for you because you're special and unique.
::
:: Never said nothing was working for me. Just said thinking of it as a
:: hobby wasn't working for me. I take it more seriously than I would a
:: hobby, which keeps me from quitting just because it's not fun.

I take my hobbies very seriously...because they're fun.

That makes no sense to me. In the hierarchy of things I have to do and
things I need to do, hobbies are near the bottom. I'd never skip working
out because I wanted to work on a hobby.

Luna wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Luna wrote:
::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
::::: "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: Obviously whatever might have worked for you in the past isn't
:::::: working for you anymore.
::::::
:::::
::::: Being motivated primarily by the excitement and interest of a new
::::: hobby wasn't working any more. Excitement wears off. Eating less
::::: and exercising more isn't always fun. Will you stop doing it when
::::: it isn't fun anymore, like you would with a hobby like macramé or
::::: origami?
:::::
:::::: Nothing is working for you because you're special and unique.
:::::
::::: Never said nothing was working for me. Just said thinking of it
::::: as a hobby wasn't working for me. I take it more seriously than
::::: I would a hobby, which keeps me from quitting just because it's
::::: not fun.
:::
::: I take my hobbies very seriously...because they're fun.
::
:: That makes no sense to me. In the hierarchy of things I have to do
:: and things I need to do, hobbies are near the bottom. I'd never skip
:: working out because I wanted to work on a hobby.

Taking a hobby seriously doesn't mean you put it before all of the other
things you have to do in life to survive or succeed...it just means you make
time for it because it enhances your enjoyment of life.

But it make sense to me that you don't get it because you don't seem to be
enjoying what you have in life....

In article <[email hidden]>,

Roger Zoul said:

Luna wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>,
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Luna wrote:
::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
::::: "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: Obviously whatever might have worked for you in the past isn't
:::::: working for you anymore.
::::::
:::::
::::: Being motivated primarily by the excitement and interest of a new
::::: hobby wasn't working any more. Excitement wears off. Eating less
::::: and exercising more isn't always fun. Will you stop doing it when
::::: it isn't fun anymore, like you would with a hobby like macramé or
::::: origami?
:::::
:::::: Nothing is working for you because you're special and unique.
:::::
::::: Never said nothing was working for me. Just said thinking of it
::::: as a hobby wasn't working for me. I take it more seriously than
::::: I would a hobby, which keeps me from quitting just because it's
::::: not fun.
:::
::: I take my hobbies very seriously...because they're fun.
::
:: That makes no sense to me. In the hierarchy of things I have to do
:: and things I need to do, hobbies are near the bottom. I'd never skip
:: working out because I wanted to work on a hobby.

Taking a hobby seriously doesn't mean you put it before all of the other
things you have to do in life to survive or succeed...it just means you make
time for it because it enhances your enjoyment of life.

But it make sense to me that you don't get it because you don't seem to be
enjoying what you have in life....

Not at the moment, no. Family problems, work problems, money problems,
friend problems. Every time I think I can't handle one more source of
stress, another one pops up. My mantra lately is "Grin and bear it,
this too shall pass."

Luna said:

I have a few close friends who aren't catty like that. It's more the
people on the periphery, the ones I don't know that well. I live in
Atlanta, plenty of room for new friends, it's just hard to fit in when
you're an atheist in the Bible belt, when you're politically
conservative so you don't fit in with other atheists, when most people
your own age are married with kids so they pretty much stick with other
marrieds, when books are your main interest and so few people anywhere
in the country read for pleasure. I've tried to expand my social circle
by going to meetups, but that was a miserable failure. The atheist
group was all about Bush bashing, the graphic design group was 4
miserable people all there hoping to get work from the others, the
science fiction group wanted to talk only about movies and Star Drek. I
thought I had a new possibility open up recently when a friend of mine
invited me to Team Trivia with his friends, but after going a few times
he abruptly vanished and isn't returning mine or anyone else's calls for
the past couple of months.

As long as you have a few close friends who are normal - they accept you
the way you are - then it's not overly bad. I think I can stay afloat
as long as I have a few friends like that. The married people - there
will be more of them amongst those of similar age as we grow older.
Have you tried online book groups? Religion wise - are there
non-atheists who are not "married" to their fellow churchgoers? I have
met church-goers like that before - for all practical purposes they're
wedded to the people who are going to the same church, they spend all
their non working hours with them. If they're looking for a babysitter,
they look from within their church. They do nothing outside their
church and would find it hard to squeeze in a reunion with their old
classmates because of all their church commitments. What about the
people from work? Do you get along with them well? From the picture
links you posted here in the past, you seem to get along with them quite
well. I reckon people from work is a good source for new friends! I am
pretty lucky becoz I have managed to talk one of my colleagues into
going to belly dancing class with me. That Team Trivia guy possibly has
deep problems of his own. There are rude people everywhere. There's
nothing we can do about it as long as we've done our bits.

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I agree with you that no matter what's your size, life doesn't get
easier or harder. There are always challenges. New challenges come up
when the old ones are gone (or you got used to dealing with them). It's
just the way things are.

Exactly. If I'm going to be miserable and lonely anyway, I may as well
be thin and healthy while I'm doing it.

That's the attitude!!! You go girl!

"RRzVRR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O3qbe.15138>

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To be fair, I know some "Joe Muscle" types at the gym that I'd
prefer to train me than a few certified trainers that I know.
That's because some trainers don't automatically think that women
want to build a lot of muscle or strength. And that's
understandable because 95% of women don't come in saying they
want to get strong and add muscle mass, they say they want to
lose weight and get "toned." So many trainers do get into that
stereotype mindset as well.

Ewww, people still think a woman will turn into Ahnold???LMAO I'm pretty
sure I'm safe w/o some *chemical enhancements*!

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Trainers all have their own take on things and specialties. When
you interview trainers be really clear about what you want and
gage their reactions.

Oh, definitely! I am pretty clear on what I want to achieve, so that should
be a help. Mainly I just want someone to help me with form, though-I'll
lift as heavy as I want once I'm sure I'm doing it right, and the PT don't
need to worry about it<G>

Lynne A
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