PING JC: TKD?

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I'd suggest you not over do it in the beginning...avoid muscle
fatigue and total exhaustion at the end of every workout. Go easy
for a while and get in the habit of consistently working out and
learning proper form.

How long does it take you to recover?

The problem is, I'm in such bad shape that total exhaustion is
inevitable with any kind of decent workout. I am working on good
form, but it's difficult w/o someone experienced there to correct me.
I do work out consistently, every day, 7 days a week. I will
eventually take a rest day every week, but for right now I am more
concerned with establishing a solid routine-I'm afraid a day off may
lead to two, etc., etc, blah, blah, blah.

Time should solve this problem - provided you try to learn as much as you
can about your movements and that you don't over do it. Going from doing
nothing to full tilt can be quite a jolt to the system. Working out need
not be painful or exhausting, especially every time you workout.

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Recovery time is, hmm, I'd say around 20-30 min? I really don't know
though, hadn't paid much attention to it to be honest.

Energy wise, how do you feel? When you get ready to do Pilates you have
energy then, right?

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Hmm, after, huh? I guess I'll have to make myself, I'm not usually
interested in food after my workouts. Actually, I'm not very
interested in food at all lately-except for artichokes<LOL> Oh
well, beats only wanting candy bars.

So after you workouts you resume normal LC eating after a period of
time, right? How do you feel before doing your pilates?

Eventually, yeah, but it's usually much later these days-I just don't
have a lot of appetite ATM. I tend to eat before my workout,
brunch-ish time, I guess, and then I don't generally eat again until
dinner time. Once in a while I'll have a snack mid-afternoon, but
for the most part I'm not hungry again until 6-7 pm.

I say continue here as you are now...

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I feel fine before doing my Pilates, it's during and after that's the
killer<LOL> My DD and I jokingly refer to it as *20 minutes from
HELL*

But only for 20 minutes after, right? Then you recover and feel good enough
to be able to do your next workout, right?

It's great that you're making the effort, Lynne. If you can continue, the
payoff will be great!!

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> What kind of routine are you doing? What movements, number of
> sets, reps?
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3x10 on all

Powerlifting Squats
Dumbell curls
deadlifts
Barbell upright rows
dumbell plie squats
bench press
crunches

As soon as I can do 3x10 w/o it being to failure, I add weight.
As I said in another post, I am also doing Pilates on my off days,
and
yoga in the evening on my lifting days. Any other info you need?
I will be adding more to the routine as soon as my bench gets here,
it's on order ATM, and I'm using an old coffee table, as per
Stumptious until it gets here.

So, do you ever feel as if you can't do your routine as it exists
now?

Sometimes, yes, but I generally just bull my way through it. The
thing I'm wondering is, am I having a hard time sometimes because I'm
running out of juice, or because I'm a total candy-ass at this point?
Thus, the experimenting.

I see. Your thinking makes sense. However, I'd say you're safer to assume
you're a candy-ass at this point (nothing to be ashamed of, BTW, everyone is
a candy-ass when they start a new routine) and scale back a bit. Continue
working out and when it gets totally easy, scale up a bit. Give your body
time to adjust...you're banging it pretty hard after asking little to
nothing of it for 3 years. Think about it.

You can scale back in many ways. Since you seem to like working out
everyday, continue that. However, considing doing fewer sets with weights or
even fewer movements. Or do Pilates and/or yoga for a shorter time. After a
while, work back up.

You'll know when you're needing carbs because your relative performance will
tend to tank and your energy levels will be flat to nonexistant, in your
normal routine (which, I don't think you've really established yet).

I think you need a period of study to go along with your workouts. Get to
the online sites and think about form. Get the keto book. Maybe even get
some time with a PT or find a knowledgeable person who can watch over you a
bit.

I don't know what you weigh, Lynne, but some walking might be a good thing
to do as well. It's always a good place to start (along with weight
training). If you're still working out 3 years from now you'll know you did
it right. I'd be more concerned about that.

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Sure. But do you have any reason to think that what you're doing now

isn't

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working or isn't best for you?

The fact that it's totally kicking my ass?LOL

You just started...give it time....it sounds as if you're doing too much
for a newbie...

Probably ;-))

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It seems as if you might burn out. Playing with the carb ups can be a
slippery slope and, IMO, doing so without a clear reason is not a good

idea.

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You're a beginner lifter and you're not doing any cardio...and I don't

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you really need carb up yet.

Burnout is a very real concern of mine! But so is establishing some

serious

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habits to improve my health-it's a difficult situation. I'm kind of

afraid

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to stop, that I may NEVER start again.

A real committment will prevent that....that's something I never worry
about...

New habits come with easing into the changes, not being smacked silly by
them! 🙂

I really am trying to make sure this is a real commitment, I feel a lot
better already, just for getting off my [censored] and moving some. I just know I
am capable of being REALLY lazy, as the past three years shows. Granted, I
was injured part of that time, but not all of it!

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I did decide when I added the second

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workouts, that I would cut them out if I started to feel overworked too
badly.

Do you?

Not so far, although I do have to push to do that second workout some
nights.

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As far as cardio, have you ever done Pilates??LOL

No...I have not...

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My heartrate is
up there the whole time.

Interesting...I had not heard that Pilates was a cardio workout. I tried
it for about 10 minutes...gave the DVD away.

It's technically not a cardio workout, but for a newbie, it is VERY
challenging and has me really working hard. The heartrate is definitely up
in the beginning!

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I will be adding the elliptical instead of the
yoga at some point though-right now flexibility and stamina are my big
concerns-I'm stiff as a board from such a long time of inactivity.

I say go slowly and work up over time. Don't go too hard too quickly.

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I definitely respect your opinions on carbups potentially being a

dangerous

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thing, but I've been low carbing for a while now, and feel *fairly*
confident in my ability to stick with my diet.

But, have you done a carb up?

Oh, yeah, did today as a matter of fact-once every 4-6 weeks, my low fat
friend and I ignore our respective diets for a meal and eat whatever we
want. So far, no major problems getting back on track. For dinner tonight
(if I eat at all), I'll likely have a salad or such. Low carb and light!

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If I do decide to try a TKD
or CKD, I will definitely keep in mind though, that it's risky and that

I

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need to really keep a tight rein on things.

The TKDs are easier to deal with...the water weight gain after a CKD may
bother you...AND, if you're diabetic or IR, there can be other issues to
consider..

Eh, water's just water, I know it goes away as quickly as it comes on. I do
think the TKD would be an easier place to start, though.

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Also, there is the basic notion of simply increasing your daily carb

level

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flat out to support your greater activity level.

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Definitely another possibility, if I can achieve a balance between

higher

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carbs and fat loss. Basically I'm just considering all my options and
trying to decide what will work best for me. It's all one great big

science

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experiment, no?

That is so!

Go slowly. You'll get there.

Thanks for the encouragement!

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The whole point is that it's supposed to be sweet. The sweeter the better
and the faster the result. That's one of the reasons that you don't take

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any fat at this point, because that would slow down digestion.

Daaaamn, two years killing my sweet tooth dead, and now this!LMAO

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Right now, I'm doing a whole-body workout on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and
Saturdays. I'm also doing a fair amount of walking on the other days.
Saturday is usually my best workout, and Thursday I usually have the least
energy. The diet: Sunday I usually eat the most calories for the week

and

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it's strictly low carb. Mostly I have eggs and cheese and perhaps some
bacon or sausage for a late breakfast, and then I'll have steak or some
salmon for an early evening meal. I might also snack on some mixed nuts.

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Monday I only eat a fair sized dinner after work. Maybe some pork chops or
some steak. Sunflower seeds for dessert (most days of the week). Tuesday

is

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like Monday. Wednesday and Thursday I reduce my calories and only eat

maybe

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half of what I do on Monday. Usually more fat and less protein. Thursday

is

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when I really get down to the minimum. Friday I might have lunch or I

might

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not, but it'll be low fat and high carbs for dinner and maybe lunch.
Saturday I usually eat three low fat and high carb meals. Most of the

carbs

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I take in on Friday and Saturday and fairly simple rather than complex.

Thanks VERY much for this, it makes it a lot easier to understand!

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I would say a month would be the minimum, just to get some type of rhythm
going. You could spend several weeks just seeing how different calorie
levels make you feel and how they affect your bodyfat levels and weight.
Did I mention that you can gain several pounds of water and glycogen

weight

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over the weekend that you'll subsequently lose during the week? It can

get

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quite interesting trying to keep track of everything. When in doubt

though,

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eat less and exercise more. ;-)

It sounds like it could get interesting! Do you keep a notebook or
something to keep up with where you are and how you're doing? It's a
challenge, but I think it will be good for me, get more in tune with my body
and what it really needs. As far as eating less and exercising more, I'm
doin it bayyyyby!

Lynne A
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Time should solve this problem - provided you try to learn as much as you
can about your movements and that you don't over do it. Going from doing
nothing to full tilt can be quite a jolt to the system. Working out need
not be painful or exhausting, especially every time you workout.

Oh, it is getting better, all the time. When I first started, I began with
the Pilates, and I thought I was going to die, literally! I had to stop
several times in 20 min., how sad is THAT?

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Recovery time is, hmm, I'd say around 20-30 min? I really don't know
though, hadn't paid much attention to it to be honest.

Energy wise, how do you feel? When you get ready to do Pilates you have
energy then, right?

Oh yeah, that's not a big problem generally.

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> Hmm, after, huh? I guess I'll have to make myself, I'm not usually
> interested in food after my workouts. Actually, I'm not very
> interested in food at all lately-except for artichokes<LOL> Oh
> well, beats only wanting candy bars.

So after you workouts you resume normal LC eating after a period of
time, right? How do you feel before doing your pilates?

Eventually, yeah, but it's usually much later these days-I just don't
have a lot of appetite ATM. I tend to eat before my workout,
brunch-ish time, I guess, and then I don't generally eat again until
dinner time. Once in a while I'll have a snack mid-afternoon, but
for the most part I'm not hungry again until 6-7 pm.

I say continue here as you are now...

Cool, I was afraid I wasn't getting enough to eat, but I'm not going to
force myself to eat if I'm not hungry!

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I feel fine before doing my Pilates, it's during and after that's the
killer<LOL> My DD and I jokingly refer to it as *20 minutes from
HELL*

But only for 20 minutes after, right? Then you recover and feel good

enough

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to be able to do your next workout, right?

Yep! That is much later in the day, though-I generally do my first workout
in the morning, and my second sometime after dinner.

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It's great that you're making the effort, Lynne. If you can continue, the
payoff will be great!!

Thanks, Roger, I really feel like I'm going to make it, I am very motivated
to get it together. Frankly, I'm too damned young to feel this old and
tired all the time. And that is steadily improving, week by week.

Lynne A
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I see. Your thinking makes sense. However, I'd say you're safer to

assume

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you're a candy-ass at this point (nothing to be ashamed of, BTW, everyone

is

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a candy-ass when they start a new routine) and scale back a bit. Continue
working out and when it gets totally easy, scale up a bit. Give your body
time to adjust...you're banging it pretty hard after asking little to
nothing of it for 3 years. Think about it.

True, it's just hard-up until that three years ago, I was always a very
physical person-worked as a roofing laborer when I was younger, and as a CNA
until I got hurt. I'm used to being a hardbody, this flab is just getting
to me!LOL

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You can scale back in many ways. Since you seem to like working out
everyday, continue that. However, considing doing fewer sets with weights

or

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even fewer movements. Or do Pilates and/or yoga for a shorter time. After

a

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while, work back up.

Ok, that sounds reasonable. Yes, I really do like working out every day, I
already feel weird if it's getting late in the morning and I haven't headed
to the basement yet.

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You'll know when you're needing carbs because your relative performance

will

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tend to tank and your energy levels will be flat to nonexistant, in your
normal routine (which, I don't think you've really established yet).

I think you need a period of study to go along with your workouts. Get to
the online sites and think about form. Get the keto book. Maybe even get
some time with a PT or find a knowledgeable person who can watch over you

a

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bit.

I do study form, I like the exrx.net site to see the proper form in action,
that really seems to help a lot. I am planning to go to to the local gym
and see about a PT just as soon as I'm not totally embarrassed by the amount
of weight I can lift! (Sorry, but I just can't make myself yet)

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I don't know what you weigh, Lynne, but some walking might be a good thing
to do as well. It's always a good place to start (along with weight
training). If you're still working out 3 years from now you'll know you

did

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it right. I'd be more concerned about that.

I am 5'6" and weigh 140-ish (don't have a scale and haven't been to the Dr's
lately) You're right about walking, but-it's, like, outside!LMAO I am
definitely a climate controlled gal, there's all that WEATHER out there. I
am working in the yard though, I find that much more bearable than just
walking around. Raking, mowing, weeding, etc.

I plan on still doing this 30 years from now, seriously. It's that or die
young, and I'm not terribly interested in that option.

Lynne A
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eat less and exercise more. ;-)

It sounds like it could get interesting! Do you keep a notebook or
something to keep up with where you are and how you're doing? It's a
challenge, but I think it will be good for me, get more in tune with my
body
and what it really needs. As far as eating less and exercising more, I'm
doin it bayyyyby!

I used to write stuff down, but now I pretty much can predict what's going
to happen. IOW, there's a light at the end of the tunnel, if you stick with
it long enough. The effect of the weights is more unpredictable than the
effect of the diet. I find that treating the whole thing as a hobby rather
than something I have to do is quite beneficial. Perhaps that could work
for you also. There are so many variables, you could spend several years
figuring everything out. Good luck.

Lynne A said:

Thanks for the input, Rudy! I don't know if I am not lifting as well as I
could, that's the main reason for this experiment-to see if either diet
makes a difference in performance. TKD definitely sounds like it's going to
be easier for me to implement, so that's why I planned to start there.

Keep a log of what you're doing you'll see when you start to
stall on progress -- you not able to add more reps, weight, or
sets. Also as you get depleted, lifting becomes much more of an
effort and the experience is more of an unpleasant core. So if
you're seeing progress and lifting isn't unpleasant for you, I
wouldn't worry too much about carbing up.

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I thought the deal was that TKD was to replenish stores before the current
workout, now I'm confused!LOL Sounds like more experimenting yet, to see if
before or after works better for me. Ahh well, I've got all the time in the
world to figure it out, it's not like I'm trying to get ready to
compete<LMAO>

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The best thing for you do to download "The Ketogenic Diet" by
Lyle McDonald. If you'll study it you will get a well rounded
understanding on fuel systems and training. That's the the best
thing you can do for yourself right now.

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Lynne A said:

Fair enough Roger-muscle fatigue, total exhaustion at the end of the
workout? I really don't know what to look for since I'm new to lifting and
have been doing low carb long term-if I had lifted BEFORE low carb, then I
would have something to compare against, you know? Does that make ANY sense
at all?LOL

Muscle fatigue and exhaustion are not related to being depleted.
Reaching muscle fatigue and exhaustion at a point earlier than
you have before is a sign of being depleted.

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Hmm, after, huh? I guess I'll have to make myself, I'm not usually
interested in food after my workouts. Actually, I'm not very interested in
food at all lately-except for artichokes<LOL> Oh well, beats only wanting
candy bars.

You should try to eat within the hour after training to help your
recovery.

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I do study form, I like the exrx.net site to see the proper form in action,
that really seems to help a lot. I am planning to go to to the local gym
and see about a PT just as soon as I'm not totally embarrassed by the amount
of weight I can lift! (Sorry, but I just can't make myself yet)

I can understand that you want to have some understanding about
what you're doing before you see a PT. But, honestly, don't
worry about the amount of weight you're lifting, that's not the
issue for getting a PT to work with you. The issue is you having
good form. If you're going to see a PT, see one sooner rather
than later so that you don't teach yourself bad form or habit.
Its much harder to unlearn a bad move than to learn it right from
the start.

Trust me, its really hard to UNtrain someone.

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I used to write stuff down, but now I pretty much can predict what's going
to happen. IOW, there's a light at the end of the tunnel, if you stick

with

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it long enough. The effect of the weights is more unpredictable than the
effect of the diet. I find that treating the whole thing as a hobby

rather

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than something I have to do is quite beneficial. Perhaps that could work
for you also. There are so many variables, you could spend several years
figuring everything out. Good luck.

I figured it would get easier with time, but it's nice to get reassurance on
that<LOL> I think that treating it as a hobby is definitely the way to go,
rather than feeling like I GOTTA do it. Thanks for the good wishes, you
ain't such a bad guy<ROFLMAO>

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Keep a log of what you're doing you'll see when you start to
stall on progress -- you not able to add more reps, weight, or
sets. Also as you get depleted, lifting becomes much more of an
effort and the experience is more of an unpleasant core. So if
you're seeing progress and lifting isn't unpleasant for you, I
wouldn't worry too much about carbing up.

That sounds logical, it's a good idea anyway to keep track of how I'm doing,
whether I decide to change my diet or not. So far, I'm really enjoying
lifting, even though it's kicking my ass-it feels really good to DO
something with and for my body.

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The best thing for you do to download "The Ketogenic Diet" by
Lyle McDonald. If you'll study it you will get a well rounded
understanding on fuel systems and training. That's the the best
thing you can do for yourself right now.

It's way on the list of things to do, just as soon as I can free up the $$
to do it. Lyle is definitely the definitive source of information here!

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Muscle fatigue and exhaustion are not related to being depleted.
Reaching muscle fatigue and exhaustion at a point earlier than
you have before is a sign of being depleted.

Ok, that makes sense, I really wasn't sure exactly what I needed to be
watching for. Hard being a newbie.

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You should try to eat within the hour after training to help your
recovery.

Well, ok, but I can tell you now, it ain't gonna be much!LOL I don't know
if it's the exercise, or the recent change in my meds, but I really don't
have much appetite most of the time. What about if I had a protein shake
before my workout, and then lunch after? I could probably handle that, and
it wouldn't add too many calories to my day.

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Lynne A wrote:
I can understand that you want to have some understanding about
what you're doing before you see a PT. But, honestly, don't
worry about the amount of weight you're lifting, that's not the
issue for getting a PT to work with you. The issue is you having
good form. If you're going to see a PT, see one sooner rather
than later so that you don't teach yourself bad form or habit.
Its much harder to unlearn a bad move than to learn it right from
the start.

Trust me, its really hard to UNtrain someone.

But it's SOOO embarrassing!LOL I do get your point, though-I'll do some
checking and see if I can find someone reasonably close to help me. I live
in EBF, South Dakota, so I'm not sure how easy that will be, but I
definitely don't want Joe Muscle at the gym telling me what's right or
wrong-I want a professional, TY.

Lynne A
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eat less and exercise more. ;-)

It sounds like it could get interesting! Do you keep a notebook or
something to keep up with where you are and how you're doing? It's a
challenge, but I think it will be good for me, get more in tune with my
body
and what it really needs. As far as eating less and exercising more, I'm
doin it bayyyyby!

I used to write stuff down, but now I pretty much can predict what's going
to happen. IOW, there's a light at the end of the tunnel, if you stick with
it long enough. The effect of the weights is more unpredictable than the
effect of the diet. I find that treating the whole thing as a hobby rather
than something I have to do is quite beneficial. Perhaps that could work
for you also. There are so many variables, you could spend several years
figuring everything out. Good luck.

Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for
new ones. Instead I look at it as something I have to do, but not
something particularly onerous. Like brushing my teeth, getting my oil
changed, doing my laundry. Sure, I'd rather be doing something else,
but if I skip it I'll regret it when my teeth fall out, my engine
freezes up, or I run out of clean clothes. I exercise to keep my body
running well just like I change the oil to keep my car running well.

Hey Lynne.. *waving at you from just up north*

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Jen in ND
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Hey Lynne.. *waving at you from just up north*

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Jen in ND
184/175/140

Hey, Jen! What part of ND are you in? I'm in the Black Hills, really
pretty but not much here<G>

Lynne A
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for
new ones. Instead I look at it as something I have to do, but not
something particularly onerous. Like brushing my teeth, getting my oil
changed, doing my laundry. Sure, I'd rather be doing something else,
but if I skip it I'll regret it when my teeth fall out, my engine
freezes up, or I run out of clean clothes. I exercise to keep my body
running well just like I change the oil to keep my car running well.

I can definitely see that, Luna, just gotta do what works for YOU. For me,
at this point, it's fun trying to figure all this out, but if it ever gets
to the point where it's not, well, then it's just time for me to butch
up<LOL>

Lynne A
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In article <1114441057.37b0d42af749b24cc510912a23757be3@bubbanews>,

Lynne A said:

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and look for
new ones. Instead I look at it as something I have to do, but not
something particularly onerous. Like brushing my teeth, getting my oil
changed, doing my laundry. Sure, I'd rather be doing something else,
but if I skip it I'll regret it when my teeth fall out, my engine
freezes up, or I run out of clean clothes. I exercise to keep my body
running well just like I change the oil to keep my car running well.

I can definitely see that, Luna, just gotta do what works for YOU. For me,
at this point, it's fun trying to figure all this out, but if it ever gets
to the point where it's not, well, then it's just time for me to butch
up<LOL>

Lynne A
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Makes sense. I know I was a lot more excited about it in the beginning,
now it's just my routine. I try to get excited about what life will be
like when I'm thin, but having already had a taste of those changes when
I first went from 200+ to 150, there's really not much to look forward
to, imo. Thin or fat, there are still the same amount of challenges,
they're just different challenges. Life gets easier in some ways and
harder in others. What keeps me motivated to exercise is my fear of
ending up like my grandmother, with hip and knee problems so bad she can
barely walk. What keeps me motivated to eat well is that when I don't I
feel lethargic and irritable.

Luna said:

In article <1114441057.37b0d42af749b24cc510912a23757be3@bubbanews>,

Lynne A said:

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Treating it (weight loss and exercise) as a hobby can work for some
people, but it didn't for me, since I grow bored of hobbies and
look for new ones. Instead I look at it as something I have to
do, but not something particularly onerous. Like brushing my
teeth, getting my oil changed, doing my laundry. Sure, I'd rather
be doing something else, but if I skip it I'll regret it when my
teeth fall out, my engine freezes up, or I run out of clean
clothes. I exercise to keep my body running well just like I
change the oil to keep my car running well.

I can definitely see that, Luna, just gotta do what works for YOU.
For me, at this point, it's fun trying to figure all this out, but
if it ever gets to the point where it's not, well, then it's just
time for me to butch up<LOL>

Lynne A
[email hidden]

Makes sense. I know I was a lot more excited about it in the
beginning,
now it's just my routine. I try to get excited about what life will
be
like when I'm thin, but having already had a taste of those changes
when
I first went from 200+ to 150, there's really not much to look forward
to, imo. Thin or fat, there are still the same amount of challenges,
they're just different challenges. Life gets easier in some ways and
harder in others. What keeps me motivated to exercise is my fear of
ending up like my grandmother, with hip and knee problems so bad she
can barely walk. What keeps me motivated to eat well is that when I
don't I feel lethargic and irritable.

I can't think of a single way in which life got harder for me by losing 142
lbs. Not one, besides having to buy a bunch of new clothes and give a lot
of good clothes away....

You sound "afraid" to me, Luna.