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For someone that professes to not have a very good working knowledge of
English, you sure go on.

What do you mean? :-/
well, I really like English and I'd like learn it! so I try to speak. I've
not had the possibility of study it at school (I studied german)...so I'm
trying by myself... :-)
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Acolyte also works.

Right. When mine get low, I just drink a little Gatorade.

You're trying too hard.

Particularly today.

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For someone that professes to not have a very good working knowledge of
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What do you mean? :-/

Your high-falutin' mendaciousness is excoriatingly distressing.

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For someone that professes to not have a very good working knowledge of
English, you sure go on.

What do you mean? :-/

Your high-falutin' mendaciousness is excoriatingly distressing.

JC, such impenetrable verbiage may leave your interlocutor
inordinately discombobulated.

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> English, you sure go on.

What do you mean? :-/

Your high-falutin' mendaciousness is excoriatingly distressing.

JC, such impenetrable verbiage may leave your interlocutor
inordinately discombobulated.

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Because with this kind of diet are you losing weight? for this do you

think

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you are wheat intolerant?

The way the Atkins diet works is to cut out most foods for a couple of weeks
and then add them back a little at a time to see which ones give cravings or
other problems. My aunt only found wheat was a problem for her because she
was on Atkins. Now she knows her joints will hurt much more from her
rheumatoid arthritis if she eats anything with wheat in the ingredients so
she tries to avoid it. She would never have gone without wheat for long
enough to find that out if she hadn't been on Atkins.

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problems...) you risk avitaminosis, and other problems...and in the end

when

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you stop the diet you get back the weight you have lost.

You should never stop the diet and you should try to eat many nutritious
vegetables, nuts, fruits, etc. if you can. It is not unhealthy or
dangerous to avoid sugar, transfats, and starches like white flour or rice.
These 'foods' are what is poisoning us, making us fat, and messing up the
hormones that regulate appetite and fat storage.

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But good rule is if you eat pasta you don't eat bread or potatoes...or
rice! so it works for other kind of food... if you
eat cheese you don't eat meat or eggs or something that contains

proteins!

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we eat 80g of pasta (for lunch for example) and nothing else, then for
dinner we eat the main course (but never pasta and main course !)

Those are small portions. Eat little; do not get fat.

So if you don't want get fat... or if you want lose weight you can simply
eat *small portions* ...right?

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Yes, indeed. Low-carb is just another way to eat smaller portions.

Think of it like this: In the average American diet, carbs are the main
part. We are told by our government to eat a lot of carbs. I think it
is something like 9 servings a day. But, most people do not know that
one bagel is sometimes up to 3 servings! Our idea of what a "serving"
is is insane.

Also, for a lot of people, if they eat mostly carbs with little fat and
little protein, they stay hungry all the time.

So, instead of a diet based mainly on carbs, we here eat a diet based
mainly on fat and protein. We still eat carbs. Many of us eat a lot of
vegetables, even more than before we started low-carb, and all
vegetables have carbs. The vegetables we eat now are just more often
green ones like broccoli and spinach instead of potatoes.

If I eat chicken, broccoli, and salad for dinner, is it more healthy to
also eat a potato? Is it more healthy to have some nuts for a snack, or
some potato chips? Is it more healthy to have steamed vegetables with
pasta, or vegetables alone?

If I don't eat the potato, the pasta, or the chips, I am full on less
food. If I eat the potato, pasta, or chips, I just want to eat more and
more, like an addiction.

I could eat the carby stuff, and just eat a little bit, and lose weight,
sure. But it is harder because the carby stuff makes me more hungry.

Personally, my hypothesis is that without super-sweet stuff, junk food,
and large portions, I never would have messed up my body enough to get
"addicted" to carbs in the first place. I think maybe something bad
happens to the body when it is overloaded with carbs for a long time,
and it messes up the system and causes the insulin problems that lead to
cravings and overeating. If you never overate carbs like I did, then
you probably never developed the addiction and would not need to do a
low-carb diet.

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> English, you sure go on.

What do you mean? :-/

Your high-falutin' mendaciousness is excoriatingly distressing.

JC, such impenetrable verbiage may leave your interlocutor
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it's not such impenetrable ... infact he choose words that are pratically
the same in Italian :-)
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For someone that professes to not have a very good working knowledge of
English, you sure go on.

What do you mean? :-/

Your high-falutin' mendaciousness is excoriatingly distressing.

Mendacoiusness? :-( why? I just say what I think...I show my perplexity!
Is it so terrible...hearing another opinion? or always people have to follow
your thought? If I don't say your same thing...it doesn't mean that I'm
lying!
About your sentence ... *mendaciousness* (italian is = mendace) ... becomes
from latin! I'm
Italian...so it's clear that I understand this word because it's pratically
the same in Italian... so *excoriatingly*... become from latin!
Instead I've never heard *high-falutin'*... very intersting.
Blueberry

Pasta is not low carb.

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> English, you sure go on.

What do you mean? :-/

Your high-falutin' mendaciousness is excoriatingly distressing.

Mendacoiusness? :-( why? I just say what I think...I show my perplexity!
Is it so terrible...hearing another opinion? or always people have to
follow
your thought? If I don't say your same thing...it doesn't mean that I'm
lying!
About your sentence ... *mendaciousness* (italian is = mendace) ...
becomes
from latin! I'm
Italian...so it's clear that I understand this word because it's
pratically
the same in Italian... so *excoriatingly*... become from latin!
Instead I've never heard *high-falutin'*... very intersting.
Blueberry

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So if you don't want get fat... or if you want lose weight you can simply
eat *small portions* ...right?

If that worked for everyone there would be no fat people.

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Often people have intolerance without knowing it. I was 40
before I learned I am wheat intolerant. I had never gone
a week wheat-free in my life up until that point.

Because with this kind of diet are you losing weight? for this do you think
you are wheat intolerant?

I did not write that I THINK I am wheat intollerant. I
wrote that I KNOW I am wheat intolerant. There is a long
list of symptoms when I eat wheat. Before I ever tried a
week wheat-free these were "family traits" not symptoms;
they were how people in my family are. After I tried a
week wheat-free they all went away. If I ever wish to
resume having these "family traits" I can start eating
wheat again and they appear again.

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but I think is dangerous follow a so extreme diet only because you are
a little bit over weight. If it's a healthy problem... I don't speak any
more!

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If you think low carbing is extreme, then you have never
read one of the books on the topic. So you write out of
ignorance. Ignorance is cureable - Go read one of the
books.

At the contrary I've read...

You show little sign or reading.

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...and the goal of this kind of diet is eliminate sugar free in the
blood to force the body to consume the fat! Practically you WANT induce
ketosis!

There you go -

Someone who HAS not learned the difference between ketosis
and ketoacidosis - ignorant. Someone who WILL not learn
the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis - idiot
and troll. Which one are you?

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ketons are toxic!

Proven false.

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you lose calcium, (osteoporosi...heart problems...)

Proven false after the first month.

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...and in the end when
you stop the diet you get back the weight you have lost.

Name a diet where that is not true or admit you are an
idiot.

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is the goal worth the risk?

What risk? Give an actual risk that is real this time
around.

My risks - blood pressure pegged on normal since starting,
bad cholesterol normal since 6 months in, triglycerides
low whenever I stay on plan, no back pain, no migraines,
the list goes on and on like that. My "risk" is falling
off nt staying on.

For some reason, a few posts are not coming through my news server. I copied
and pasted from Google when it appeared that a few people were answering
questions to posts I couldn't see.

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With *the best* what do you mean? simple? I'm convince that simply eating
less and healty food is a good way to loose weight.

It is a good way to lose weight. High carb foods though are not healthy.

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The basic premise of why low carb works, that most agree on, is that
blood sugar levels are more stable. When eating high carb, blood sugar

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to go up higher and then come down lower.

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When you say *high carb* do you mean only pasta bread
poatotoes...cereals...or this means elimiate some snak food with high level
of sugar?

I don't eat any junk snack foods since starting low carb. I eat bread
occasionally. Cereals sometimes too. No pastas, and no potatoes.

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The resulting insulin spikes cause
metabolic problems and tends to deposit the extra energy as fat ( if the
sugar stores in the muscles and liver are full ).

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ok... but here the problem is the amount! of course ... if we eat too much
(in general) we get fat, or we have other healthy problem...but this is

for

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all of kind of food!

Yes.

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Seem to me that you people want to find a way to keep
to eat the same amount without get fat!

Not true. I eat about 2500 Kcal a day. Protein is necessary for repair
and building muscle. Most of our energy should come from fat. Carbs are like
high octane fuel. It has it's uses, but we eat far to much of it for our
needs.

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I mean Chinese are eating rice from how many centuries? And they don't have
all these problem of obesity! so If chinese eat rice from centuries...
Italian people eat pasta, in North Europa eat potatoes... why all these
population doesn't have all these problems? :-/

In the past they didn't have problems. Modern ways are catching up to
them too.

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For example people here have particulary problems with colesterol when they
often go to eat to McDonald!

Too much refined foods and not enough activity. My cholesterol is down by
the way, and so it is the same with most of the other people here that eat
low carb.

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High carb foods are a more recent invention of our agricultural

practices

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(less than 10,000 years).

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:-//// recent invention? we never ate only meat! Eating meat were a rare
event! Going to haunt ... capture an animal wanted a lot time and a lot of
energy!!!! have you tryed to hunt something without a rifle?

No, we didn't just eat meat. All I'm trying to tell you is that the plants
we eat now are much more calorie dense and larger in size than what grows
naturally in the wild. It is not easy to hunt, especially if you are by
yourself, stranded, with no tools whatsoever. We lived in tribes though in
the past and we learned a few tricks about how to capture animals far sooner
than farming.

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Before we started farming, fruits and vegetables
were not as big and sweet or as abundant than what was found in nature.

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still ate these foods before we farmed, but also had to work a lot harder

to

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find and harvest these plants due to competition with other animals, and
also due to scarcity and smaller sizes.

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Today we work in others ways... maybe we make a sedentary job... and we
spend less energy...this means that we can eat less! instead we eat more
only because it's simpler find the food! but this not means that we have to
eat all of it without thinking which is the right amount or what is good

for

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us!

Yes. We should all have paid a little more attention to what we ate before
we became over weight.

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In my country (like every country in Italy) we have tipical recipes ...even
very fatty...because people needed a lot of energy during the Winter in the
past (I live in a mountain country with cold Winter!) but now of course we
eat this dishes rarely!!!

And this is the big difference in eating low carb. It is not a low fat
diet. It is not healthier to replace natural fats with unnatural high carb
fillers.

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Many of the native peoples in North America and other places, have a
higher rate of diabetes. I think it is because these cultures were not as
agricultural based as Europeans or other societies that have raised crops
for thousands of years.

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Like I said...when the habits don't change with the kind of feeding...

there

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are problem! but is not the kind of food that you eat but simply balance it
with your life style! In Italy the recipes change with the time! always

less

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grease! In old recipes there were the lard...clearly today we don't use it!
too fat! some time we don't use neither butter or oil!

We were taught in our schools when I was young that fat was bad too, but
that is not correct. As our diets changed over the years to more and more
carbs and less fats, we also got more obese. Coincidence or not?

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Natural genetic selection would have accommodated
those that could tolerate a higher carbohydrate based diet. The cultures
that were more nomadic and tended to follow animal herds would have a

lower

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tolerance for large amounts of carbohydrates.

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The natural selection doesn't work so quickly!

10,000 years wouldn't be enough time to grow a tail perhaps, but natural
selection could easily separate those that could tolerate higher carbs.
People that couldn't tolerate it would die off sooner from diabetes or
celiac. In those times, it would have been difficult to figure out why
someone was always sick and then died sooner without being able to
procreate, since these diseases take years to develop.

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Plant foods would have only
been available in season, and likely eaten more if meat wasn't available.
Grains by themselves are hard to digest for us. It was probably more of

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accident that we found we could eat them by grinding and cooking them. I
think it is unnatural for us to eat as much high starch plant matter as

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I don't think so!!! really! in fact.... we are omnivorus! that means we
need vegetables fruit and meat!!

Yes I believe we are omnivorous. But our diets have swung to far to the
high carb foods by genetic manipulation through selective breeding, or
refinement of foods that strip most nutrients and fiber and leave only the
energy calories ( like sugar and flour ) . Large sweet fruits are rare in
nature though, and not as sweet. Large tuberous vegetables are also rare.
They tend to be smaller, and more fibrous in nature.

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do you say that grains are hard to digest?

Yes in their raw form. What we have done is made it too easy to extract
the calories through refinement. Our bodies are not suited to handle the
quick release of these calories. Fiber helps to slow down their release.
Grain hulls are even harder, or near impossible to digest. Ever chewed on
grains? There quite tough. Without crushing and cooking, it is hard to get
the calories and nutrients out of them.

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we don't digest the cellulose, the fibers!!! but we need fibre for our
digestion!! (even if you don't digets a thing this doesn't mean that is not
useful!) but the meat is more hardest to digest that vegetables! carnivore
have infact a longer intestine! longer then ours! In the end...but not less
important the meat is only for RICH people! that means that few people can
eat meat every day.... even because it have a highter energetic cost then
vegetables in nature. Think the numbers in a population of carnivors these
are never so high like the number of men!

Yes, which is why we are so successful as omnivores. Maybe a little too
successful, which is why we are also getting fat.

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When I walk around the forests close to where I live, sometimes I

imagine

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what it would have been like to live long ago. Even with a book of edible
forest plants, I find difficulty locating high carbohydrate foods.

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All the seeds! carbs are the resorse of energy for seeds...it's a little
riserver, only the necessary for allow the seed to became a little plant.
for example you could open a pinecone and you'd have your ration of carb!

;-)

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the seeds are definitly more frequent then animals! don't you think?

It's all about seasonal availability and competition with other animals
for food. Nuts are great for low carb diets. We no longer have natural
limiting factors. We can eat as much as we want, whenever we want.

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If I were
stranded there, I would definitely be sharpening a stick and looking for
something to hunt. If I found a few berries along the way, that would be

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bonus.

So do you think that is more healty the meat then carb for us? in a
hamburger do you find more healthy the cheese and meat than bread? O__O

Yes of course. I know you have a problem believing that.

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I was never much of a junk food eater in the past. I had believed what

I

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was told that a 50 to 60% carbohydrate based diet was the most healthy

way

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to eat. If I tried to lose weight, I would cut back on meat and fats and
increase the carbs. I had heard of low carb diets, but did not believe in
there validity. My thinking has changed over the last 2 years because of
what I have been reading, and from personal experience.

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I've never said that this kind of diet doesn't work... I only think is not
healty. not equilibrate!

High carb diets are not a balanced diet. You need protein and fat. You can
live without carbs. Unfortunately, our governments think it is the best way,
and really push high carb as healthy. They think high carb reduces
cholesterol. The trouble is, many people do not eat enough natural foods.
Most get there carb calories from refined carb foods. There cholesterol is
going up.
I know it is difficult to grasp this concept. I had trouble believing it
at first. Again I say carbs are not evil, but what we have done to them in
the past few decades is. We have extracted and concentrated the carbs to the
point that it has become detrimental to our health. This concentration is
taxing on our metabolic systems. As we age and get fatter, these systems are
taxed even further and finally break down altogether.

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well I was 178 and in a couple of month I'm became 156 (I'm 67,86
inches)...when I decided to eat in a healthy way! that for me doesn't mean
eliminate carb from my diet... rather the contrary, I have eliminate the
execess of cheese or meat.

Good for you on losing weight. Any type of diet will work if calories are
reduced. It is more difficult to control hunger while eating high carb, and
the weight is likely to come back. Many people here have not eliminated
carbs all together. They have just tried to eat enough that it doesn't spike
up blood sugar. Also, there seems to be a maximum amount of carbs that they
can eat without gaining weight.

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I have to be honest it's been hard write this post! :-P

No problem. Your doing just fine.

Bye
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So if you don't want get fat... or if you want lose weight you can

simply

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eat *small portions* ...right?

If that worked for everyone there would be no fat people.

Sorry...but I've never seen NO ONE get fat without eating to much!!!!
And I repeat the obesity problem is American, mostly! and if you want widen
we can include Europe too...(but again here is not like in U.S)! about the
rest of the world do you think people can eat all of the meat (or eggs, or
cheese) that you can
eat! and they don't know the obestity what kind of problem is!
have you never think about this? how come in other States there's not this
problem? how come in Italy and other States born the problem when arrive
American food? McDonald and the several snacks?

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I did not write that I THINK I am wheat intollerant.
I wrote that I KNOW I am wheat intolerant. There is a long
list of symptoms when I eat wheat. Before I ever tried a
week wheat-free these were "family traits" not symptoms;
they were how people in my family are. After I tried a
week wheat-free they all went away. If I ever wish to
resume having these "family traits" I can start eating
wheat again and they appear again.

Why so angry?

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Someone who HAS not learned the difference between ketosis
and ketoacidosis - ignorant. Someone who WILL not learn
the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis - idiot
and troll. Which one are you?

Why so rude?
Forgive me if I am not obsessed like you from the carb and weird diets!
Maybe I'm not obssesed from this problem maybe because I've NOT this
problem!!!
Still I'm Italian so... I eat carbs but the funny thing is that I don't get
fat...maybe because I simply don't eat too much.
if you get fat simply you eat too much! there's not other solution!!!
Obesity is a problem of the RICH people!!! try to say what you say to me to
someone that have no food! try to say that you get fat without eating! would
you have the nerve? :-(

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...and in the end when
you stop the diet you get back the weight you have lost.

Name a diet where that is not true or admit you are an
idiot.

do you want a name of a diet? Mediterran diet! (do you know it?) simply
because it's not
fashionable. it's life style! It's a culture. you don't begin it ... you
don't stop it, it's like you live. we keep to eat always at the same way.

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is the goal worth the risk?

What risk? Give an actual risk that is real this time
around.

My risks - blood pressure pegged on normal since starting,
bad cholesterol normal since 6 months in, triglycerides
low whenever I stay on plan, no back pain, no migraines,
the list goes on and on like that. My "risk" is falling
off nt staying on.

How come I eat carb and I have this problems neither ? I've not problem
with
triglycerides or cholesterol ...?
You keep to think that you get fat because of carb... I keep to think that
you get fat only because you eat too much. like every one else that get
fat!!! Me as weel
I get fat if I eat too much!
And the only one *good* way to lose weight is EAT LESS! Remember a thing
eating too much meat get the colon cancer. Or do you want deny this too?
you can say me that I'm a stupid idiot...or all the insult that are going
thruogh your mind, still I've not your problem!
you get angry with me because you can't make me change my mind, but think!
why I ought do it? I 'm not fat!
then America is not the world! and In the world
there's people that doesn't have all of the food that you have and they
doesn't have obesity problem (but the contrary!)! if you are rude with
me...I'll be brutal honest with you!
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Forgive me if I am not obsessed like you from the carb and weird diets!
Maybe I'm not obssesed from this problem maybe because I've NOT this
problem!!!

Blueberry, I often don't agree with Doug and, in fact, have long had his
posts filtered out, but I, too, have wondered what your motivation is
for posting in ASDLC. You seemed to truly want to know why we low-carb,
but you also keep insisting that your way is better. You are right
that, in general, people need to eat less and exercise more. That's a
given, but one size does NOT fit all in how one goes about DOING so
successfully. There are MANY reasons why people here eat low-carb and
some reasons are more important than others to various individuals, but
you don't seem to accept any of those reasons or why it works so well
for most of us. If you are not interested in going low-carb, why ARE
you posting here? You aren't going to change OUR minds.

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"Blueberry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why so angry?

Why so rude?
Forgive me if I am not obsessed like you from the carb and weird diets!

Siete un troll

Rich

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Sorry...but I've never seen NO ONE get fat without eating to much!!!!

Then you haven't met anyone with metabolic (e.g. thyroid) issues, or someone
with insulin resistance.

As a matter of interest, what does the Italian diabetic institute recommend
as a diet for diabetics? And if you know anyone who's diabetic and
well-controlled (HbA1c <6%), what do they eat?

Nicky.

--
A1c 10.5/5.6/<6 T2 DX 05/2004
1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine
95/76/72Kg

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"Blueberry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why so angry?

Why so rude?
Forgive me if I am not obsessed like you from the carb and weird diets!

Siete un troll

you should write "Sei un troll"
Anyway no, I'm not. This is not my intention... you think I spend so much
energy...only to trolling? :-/
to disturbing a ng?
Blueberry

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Forgive me if I am not obsessed like you from the carb and weird diets!
Maybe I'm not obssesed from this problem maybe because I've NOT this
problem!!!

Blueberry, I often don't agree with Doug and, in fact, have long had his
posts filtered out, but I, too, have wondered what your motivation is
for posting in ASDLC. You seemed to truly want to know why we low-carb,
but you also keep insisting that your way is better. You are right
that, in general, people need to eat less and exercise more. That's a
given, but one size does NOT fit all in how one goes about DOING so
successfully. There are MANY reasons why people here eat low-carb and
some reasons are more important than others to various individuals, but
you don't seem to accept any of those reasons or why it works so well
for most of us. If you are not interested in going low-carb, why ARE
you posting here? You aren't going to change OUR minds.

I respect completly your opinion...but I can't stand someone that say in all
the world people have this problem! when in the world someone have the
oppposite problem! and die for this. I think is a huge lack of respect!
If someone have healthy problem...ok! you are celiac or diabetic...ok...you
have to avoid these kind of food.
but give the fault at these foods if some one get fat... I think it's lieing
to yourself! it's pretty simple ...some populations base their diet on these
food and don't get fat.... american get fat! why? :-/ maybe the problem is
not here.
I don't want change your mind...I know it's impossible, but sometime it's
useful discuss...and to know that in the world there's who think different.
this doesn't mean to be a troll.
I came here to understand, to know other kind of thought. to see how people
respond to me, some one said me "you are a troll" is very intersting...how
someone is frightened from what I say.
Now day with ecological problem, we should pay more attention to what we are
doing.
Maybe after this post some one will hate me more! but still I belive in
what I
said.
Blueberry

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Blueberry said:

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

Forgive me if I am not obsessed like you from the carb and weird diets!
Maybe I'm not obssesed from this problem maybe because I've NOT this
problem!!!

Blueberry, I often don't agree with Doug and, in fact, have long had his
posts filtered out, but I, too, have wondered what your motivation is
for posting in ASDLC. You seemed to truly want to know why we low-carb,
but you also keep insisting that your way is better. You are right
that, in general, people need to eat less and exercise more. That's a
given, but one size does NOT fit all in how one goes about DOING so
successfully. There are MANY reasons why people here eat low-carb and
some reasons are more important than others to various individuals, but
you don't seem to accept any of those reasons or why it works so well
for most of us. If you are not interested in going low-carb, why ARE
you posting here? You aren't going to change OUR minds.

I respect completly your opinion...but I can't stand someone that say in all
the world people have this problem! when in the world someone have the
oppposite problem! and die for this. I think is a huge lack of respect!
If someone have healthy problem...ok! you are celiac or diabetic...ok...you
have to avoid these kind of food.
but give the fault at these foods if some one get fat... I think it's lieing
to yourself! it's pretty simple ...some populations base their diet on these
food and don't get fat.... american get fat! why? :-/ maybe the problem is
not here.
I don't want change your mind...I know it's impossible, but sometime it's
useful discuss...and to know that in the world there's who think different.
this doesn't mean to be a troll.
I came here to understand, to know other kind of thought. to see how people
respond to me, some one said me "you are a troll" is very intersting...how
someone is frightened from what I say.
Now day with ecological problem, we should pay more attention to what we are
doing.
Maybe after this post some one will hate me more! but still I belive in
what I
said.
Blueberry

This is a *support* group for those who low carb. To come here to
debate the merits of low carbing is NOT supportive, it's insulting and
rude.

If your interest was in becoming educated, you'd have gone to your
library, a bookstore, or Medline to do some homework.

Susan

"Blueberry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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you think I spend so much
energy...only to trolling? :-/
to disturbing a ng?

Si.