OT Fuel protests

"MartinM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening to blockade
petrol stations etc etc in protest at the Goverment's excise duty;
err, I thought the price of crude was the cause of the 81p (No Daily
Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a sudden leap in duty.
So G Brown has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the
lorry drivers does he?
Hopefully this time it won't be left up to individual petrol stations
to decide what an essential user is. Of course this will have terrible
knock on effect on the price of tyres / chain lube so we may all have
to stop riding bikes ;-)

I won't be protesting - the more I cycle, the more I save and since I am
employed by a major oil company, my shares go up as well :-)

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In article <[email hidden]>, MartinM
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening to blockade
petrol stations etc etc in protest at the Goverment's excise duty;
err, I thought the price of crude was the cause of the 81p (No Daily
Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a sudden leap in duty.
So G Brown has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the
lorry drivers does he?
Hopefully this time it won't be left up to individual petrol stations
to decide what an essential user is. Of course this will have terrible
knock on effect on the price of tyres / chain lube so we may all have
to stop riding bikes ;-)

The tail has been wagging the dog for a while on this one - the media
desperately doom-mongering by asking 'Will increased fuel prices lead to
protests? If we keep banging on about it long enough, maybe it will.'
Looks like they've got there in the end.

ttfn

Martin

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Steven Wright

Martin Harlow [email hidden]

I thought the price of crude was the cause of the 81p (No Daily

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Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a sudden leap in duty.

Umm, there's 4.54609 litres to a gallon - so 81p per litre = £3.68 per
gallon.

MartinM said:

Quoted message said:

So G Brown has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the

lorry drivers does he?

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues and at the end of
the day the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so that prices of food
etc will rise and hit those who can least afford it. Worked out a few days
ago with a friend over from the US that the absolute rise in fuel prices is
about the same both sides of the Atlantic but the proportionate rise in the US
is massively greater because, with low tax, they start off from a much lower
base price.

Tony

On 16 May 2004 04:07:19 -0700, [email hidden] (MartinM) wrote in
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Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening to blockade
petrol stations etc etc in protest at the Goverment's excise duty;

Which hasn't changed. Hilarious. As before, I shall laugh and point
as I ride past the petrol queues :-)

Guy
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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

MartinM said:

Quoted message said:

So G Brown has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the

lorry drivers does he?

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues and at the end

of

Quoted message said:

the day the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so that prices of

food

Quoted message said:

etc will rise and hit those who can least afford it.

Don't forget the huge amount of extra cash he gets in VAT on fuel every
time the pump price goes up.

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Simon M.

Quoted message said:

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues and at the
end of the day the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so that
prices of food etc will rise and hit those who can least afford it.
Worked out a few days ago with a friend over from the US that the
absolute rise in fuel prices is about the same both sides of the
Atlantic but the proportionate rise in the US is massively greater
because, with low tax, they start off from a much lower base price.

Wahey, so the tax on petrol is doing all us poor people a favour - it makes
the price less volatile and helps us budget :-)

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 16 May 2004 04:07:19 -0700, [email hidden] (MartinM) wrote in
message <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening to blockade
petrol stations etc etc in protest at the Goverment's excise duty;

Which hasn't changed. Hilarious. As before, I shall laugh and point
as I ride past the petrol queues :-)

What? In your Volvo? ;-)

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Simon M.

MartinM said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening to blockade
petrol stations etc etc in protest at the Goverment's excise duty;
err, I thought the price of crude was the cause of the 81p (No Daily
Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a sudden leap in duty.
So G Brown has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the
lorry drivers does he?
Hopefully this time it won't be left up to individual petrol stations
to decide what an essential user is. Of course this will have terrible
knock on effect on the price of tyres / chain lube so we may all have
to stop riding bikes ;-)

Robin Hood my [censored]! They're hauliers and farmers running commercial
businesses. If the Govt slashed duty on diesel for trucks and doubled
it on petrol, they'd be happy.

"Simon Mason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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MartinM said:

> So G Brown has to continually revise the country's budget to suit

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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lorry drivers does he?

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues and at the

end

Quoted message said:

of

Quoted message said:

the day the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so that prices of

food

Quoted message said:

etc will rise and hit those who can least afford it.

Don't forget the huge amount of extra cash he gets in VAT on fuel every
time the pump price goes up.

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Simon M.

Overall to the tune of something like £3billion I heard recently. He doesn't
have to increase tax on fuel 'cos this has had the desired effect and he can
just raise his hands with a 'wunt me' ;-)
.....it's them nasty terrirrists!!
Dave
Cynical?!!? - Wot, me??

On Sun, 16 May 2004 14:43:48 +0100 someone who may be "Tony Raven"
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the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so that prices of food
etc will rise and hit those who can least afford it.

Transport is still a small proportion of the cost of producing
goods. In addition most transport costs are fixed (loading bays and
the like). Changes in transport costs have little impact on the
price of goods in the shops, other things have far more impact.

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Mark Thompson said:

Wahey, so the tax on petrol is doing all us poor people a favour - it makes
the price less volatile and helps us budget :-)

Us poor folks need *much* higher petrol prices, so as to stimulate a
real market-share for non-car-based lifestyles (telecommuting, cycling,
public transport, local services and facilities, etc). Only when the
middle classes start to think about what they're doing (as opposed to
moan about what everyone else is doing) will we cease to be marginalised.

--
Nick Kew

Nick's manifesto: http://www.htmlhelp.com/~nick/

On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:36:10 +0100, "Simon Mason"
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What? In your Volvo? ;-)

Oh yes, I did drive once this week, I'd forgotten.

Guy
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Tony Raven said:

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues and at the end of
the day the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so that prices of food
etc will rise and hit those who can least afford it.

Which will be no bad thing if it makes locally-produced food look
cheaper. Decades of cheap fuel have resulted in food (and much else)
being transported much more than necessary - fuel is too cheap
compared to wage rates.

Sustained higher fuel prices will result in companies and individuals
reorganising their lives to use less. In the meantime there will be
some pain which I for one will not be very sympathetic about.

Colin McKenzie

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Ignore them and you can believe the damned lies instead!

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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MartinM said:

Quoted message said:

So G Brown has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the

lorry drivers does he?

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues and at the end of
the day the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so that prices of food
etc will rise and hit those who can least afford it. Worked out a few days
ago with a friend over from the US that the absolute rise in fuel prices is
about the same both sides of the Atlantic but the proportionate rise in the US
is massively greater because, with low tax, they start off from a much lower
base price.

Tony

And absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the 2000 ringleader
Brynle Williams is now a Tory member of the Welsh Assembly! I suppose
if you believe that instability in Iraq is the cause then Blair is
partly to blame, but I'm sure M Howard will sit on his hands through
this one.

Zog The Undeniable said:

MartinM said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening to
blockade petrol stations etc etc in protest at the Goverment's
excise duty; err, I thought the price of crude was the cause of the
81p (No Daily Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a
sudden leap in duty. So G Brown has to continually revise the
country's budget to suit the lorry drivers does he?
Hopefully this time it won't be left up to individual petrol stations
to decide what an essential user is. Of course this will have
terrible knock on effect on the price of tyres / chain lube so we
may all have to stop riding bikes ;-)

Robin Hood my [censored]! They're hauliers and farmers running commercial
businesses. If the Govt slashed duty on diesel for trucks and doubled
it on petrol, they'd be happy.

Ran a Half Marathon in Leeds this morning.Of course the majority of the
roads were closed/blocked off.With a few exceptions cars were stood with
their engines running in the resulting long queues.Petrol too expensive ?
Not too expensive to waste evidently.

Sam Salt

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Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<40a79e3c.0@entanet>...

Quoted message said:

MartinM said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening to blockade
petrol stations etc etc in protest at the Goverment's excise duty;
err, I thought the price of crude was the cause of the 81p (No Daily
Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a sudden leap in duty.
So G Brown has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the
lorry drivers does he?
Hopefully this time it won't be left up to individual petrol stations
to decide what an essential user is. Of course this will have terrible
knock on effect on the price of tyres / chain lube so we may all have
to stop riding bikes ;-)

Robin Hood my [censored]! They're hauliers and farmers running commercial
businesses. If the Govt slashed duty on diesel for trucks and doubled
it on petrol, they'd be happy.

IIRC a recent survey showed that fuel prices would have to increase by
4 to 5 fold to have any noticeable effect or private car use.
Supposedly the Government has new powers to restrict fuel to essential
services in the event of blockades (ie you don't get to fill up just
by turning up an a nurses uniform). I'm an NHS worker and was not
allowed to buy it last time; good thing I commute by train ;-)

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(') said:

MartinM said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening to
blockade petrol stations etc etc in protest at the Goverment's excise
duty; err, I thought the price of crude was the cause of the 81p (No
Daily Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a sudden leap in
duty. So G Brown has to continually revise the country's budget to
suit the lorry drivers does he?
Hopefully this time it won't be left up to individual petrol stations
to decide what an essential user is. Of course this will have
terrible knock on effect on the price of tyres / chain lube so we may
all have to stop riding bikes ;-)

Robin Hood my [censored]! They're hauliers and farmers running commercial
businesses.

No they aren't. No farmer in Britain runs a commerical business. They're
hugely subsidised out of your tax money - to the tune of (in Scotland)
an average of £26,000 per annum each. And, remember, next time you see
a huge tractor on the road, not only did you pay for it out of your
taxes, but the fuel it's burning doesn't pay a penny to the exchequer.

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"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No they aren't. No farmer in Britain runs a commerical business. They're
hugely subsidised out of your tax money - to the tune of (in Scotland)
an average of £26,000 per annum each. And, remember, next time you see
a huge tractor on the road, not only did you pay for it out of your
taxes, but the fuel it's burning doesn't pay a penny to the exchequer.

Are farmers allowed to use red diesel on public roads?
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