OT Fuel protests

"MartinM" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening
to blockade petrol stations etc etc in protest at the
Goverment's excise duty; err, I thought the price of crude
was the cause of the 81p (No Daily Mail that is not 3.64 a
gallon!)per litre, not a sudden leap in duty. So G Brown
has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the
lorry drivers does he? Hopefully this time it won't be
left up to individual petrol stations to decide what an
essential user is. Of course this will have terrible knock
on effect on the price of tyres / chain lube so we may all
have to stop riding bikes ;-)

I won't be protesting - the more I cycle, the more I save
and since I am employed by a major oil company, my shares
go up as well :-)

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<[email hidden]>, MartinM
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening
to blockade petrol stations etc etc in protest at the
Goverment's excise duty; err, I thought the price of crude
was the cause of the 81p (No Daily Mail that is not 3.64 a
gallon!)per litre, not a sudden leap in duty. So G Brown
has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the
lorry drivers does he? Hopefully this time it won't be left
up to individual petrol stations to decide what an
essential user is. Of course this will have terrible knock
on effect on the price of tyres / chain lube so we may all
have to stop riding bikes ;-)

The tail has been wagging the dog for a while on this one -
the media desperately doom-mongering by asking 'Will
increased fuel prices lead to protests? If we keep banging
on about it long enough, maybe it will.' Looks like they've
got there in the end.

ttfn

Martin

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out.' Steven Wright

Martin Harlow [email hidden]

I thought the price of crude was the cause of the 81p (No
Daily

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Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a sudden
leap in duty.

Umm, there's 4.54609 litres to a gallon - so 81p per litre =
£3.68 per gallon.

On 16 May 2004 04:07:19 -0700, [email hidden] (MartinM) wrote in
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Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening
to blockade petrol stations etc etc in protest at the
Goverment's excise duty;

Which hasn't changed. Hilarious. As before, I shall laugh
and point as I ride past the petrol queues :-)

Guy
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MartinM said:

Quoted message said:

So G Brown has to continually revise the country's
budget to suit the

lorry drivers does he?

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues
and at the end of the day the lorry drivers will pass on
the fuel costs so that prices of food etc will rise and hit
those who can least afford it. Worked out a few days ago
with a friend over from the US that the absolute rise in
fuel prices is about the same both sides of the Atlantic
but the proportionate rise in the US is massively greater
because, with low tax, they start off from a much lower
base price.

Tony

"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

MartinM said:

Quoted message said:

So G Brown has to continually revise the country's
budget to suit the

lorry drivers does he?

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues
and at the end

of

Quoted message said:

the day the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so
that prices of

food

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etc will rise and hit those who can least afford it.

Don't forget the huge amount of extra cash he gets in VAT
on fuel every time the pump price goes up.

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Quoted message said:

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues
and at the end of the day the lorry drivers will pass on
the fuel costs so that prices of food etc will rise and
hit those who can least afford it. Worked out a few days
ago with a friend over from the US that the absolute rise
in fuel prices is about the same both sides of the
Atlantic but the proportionate rise in the US is massively
greater because, with low tax, they start off from a much
lower base price.

Wahey, so the tax on petrol is doing all us poor people a
favour - it makes the price less volatile and helps us
budget :-)

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 16 May 2004 04:07:19 -0700, [email hidden]
(MartinM) wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are
threatening to blockade petrol stations etc etc in
protest at the Goverment's excise duty;

Which hasn't changed. Hilarious. As before, I shall laugh
and point as I ride past the petrol queues :-)

What? In your Volvo? ;-)

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"Simon Mason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2gpbd2F514lrU2@uni-
berlin.de...

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MartinM said:

> So G Brown has to continually revise the country's
> budget to suit

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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lorry drivers does he?

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil
revenues and at the

end

Quoted message said:

of

Quoted message said:

the day the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so
that prices of

food

Quoted message said:

etc will rise and hit those who can least afford it.

Don't forget the huge amount of extra cash he gets in VAT
on fuel every time the pump price goes up.

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Simon M.

Overall to the tune of something like £3billion I heard
recently. He doesn't have to increase tax on fuel 'cos this
has had the desired effect and he can just raise his hands
with a 'wunt me' ;-) ....it's them nasty terrirrists!! Dave
Cynical?!!? - Wot, me??

On Sun, 16 May 2004 14:43:48 +0100 someone who may be "Tony Raven"
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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the lorry drivers will pass on the fuel costs so that
prices of food etc will rise and hit those who can least
afford it.

Transport is still a small proportion of the cost of
producing goods. In addition most transport costs are fixed
(loading bays and the like). Changes in transport costs have
little impact on the price of goods in the shops, other
things have far more impact.

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government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

MartinM said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are threatening
to blockade petrol stations etc etc in protest at the
Goverment's excise duty; err, I thought the price of crude
was the cause of the 81p (No Daily Mail that is not 3.64 a
gallon!)per litre, not a sudden leap in duty. So G Brown
has to continually revise the country's budget to suit the
lorry drivers does he? Hopefully this time it won't be
left up to individual petrol stations to decide what an
essential user is. Of course this will have terrible knock
on effect on the price of tyres / chain lube so we may all
have to stop riding bikes ;-)

Robin Hood my [censored]! They're hauliers and farmers running
commercial businesses. If the Govt slashed duty on diesel
for trucks and doubled it on petrol, they'd be happy.

On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:36:10 +0100, "Simon Mason"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What? In your Volvo? ;-)

Oh yes, I did drive once this week, I'd forgotten.

Guy
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Tony Raven said:

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues
and at the end of the day the lorry drivers will pass on
the fuel costs so that prices of food etc will rise and
hit those who can least afford it.

Which will be no bad thing if it makes locally-produced food
look cheaper. Decades of cheap fuel have resulted in food
(and much else) being transported much more than necessary -
fuel is too cheap compared to wage rates.

Sustained higher fuel prices will result in companies and
individuals reorganising their lives to use less. In the
meantime there will be some pain which I for one will not be
very sympathetic about.

Colin McKenzie

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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

MartinM said:

Quoted message said:

So G Brown has to continually revise the country's
budget to suit the

lorry drivers does he?

To be fair he'll be raking it in in North Sea Oil revenues
and at the end of the day the lorry drivers will pass on
the fuel costs so that prices of food etc will rise and
hit those who can least afford it. Worked out a few days
ago with a friend over from the US that the absolute rise
in fuel prices is about the same both sides of the
Atlantic but the proportionate rise in the US is massively
greater because, with low tax, they start off from a much
lower base price.

Tony

And absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the 2000
ringleader Brynle Williams is now a Tory member of the Welsh
Assembly! I suppose if you believe that instability in Iraq
is the cause then Blair is partly to blame, but I'm sure M
Howard will sit on his hands through this one.

Zog The Undeniable said:

MartinM said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are
threatening to blockade petrol stations etc etc in
protest at the Goverment's excise duty; err, I thought
the price of crude was the cause of the 81p (No Daily
Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a sudden
leap in duty. So G Brown has to continually revise the
country's budget to suit the lorry drivers does he?
Hopefully this time it won't be left up to individual
petrol stations to decide what an essential user is. Of
course this will have terrible knock on effect on the
price of tyres / chain lube so we may all have to stop
riding bikes ;-)

Robin Hood my [censored]! They're hauliers and farmers running
commercial businesses. If the Govt slashed duty on diesel
for trucks and doubled it on petrol, they'd be happy.

Ran a Half Marathon in Leeds this morning.Of course the
majority of the roads were closed/blocked off.With a few
exceptions cars were stood with their engines running in the
resulting long queues.Petrol too expensive ? Not too
expensive to waste evidently.

Sam Salt

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Mark Thompson said:

Wahey, so the tax on petrol is doing all us poor people a
favour - it makes the price less volatile and helps us
budget :-)

Us poor folks need *much* higher petrol prices, so as to
stimulate a real market-share for non-car-based lifestyles
(telecommuting, cycling, public transport, local services
and facilities, etc). Only when the middle classes start to
think about what they're doing (as opposed to moan about
what everyone else is doing) will we cease to be
marginalised.

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Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<40a79e3c.0@entanet>...

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MartinM said:

Once more the "Robin Hood" fuel protesters are
threatening to blockade petrol stations etc etc in
protest at the Goverment's excise duty; err, I thought
the price of crude was the cause of the 81p (No Daily
Mail that is not 3.64 a gallon!)per litre, not a sudden
leap in duty. So G Brown has to continually revise the
country's budget to suit the lorry drivers does he?
Hopefully this time it won't be left up to individual
petrol stations to decide what an essential user is. Of
course this will have terrible knock on effect on the
price of tyres / chain lube so we may all have to stop
riding bikes ;-)

Robin Hood my [censored]! They're hauliers and farmers running
commercial businesses. If the Govt slashed duty on diesel
for trucks and doubled it on petrol, they'd be happy.

IIRC a recent survey showed that fuel prices would have to
increase by 4 to 5 fold to have any noticeable effect or
private car use. Supposedly the Government has new powers to
restrict fuel to essential services in the event of
blockades (ie you don't get to fill up just by turning up an
a nurses uniform). I'm an NHS worker and was not allowed to
buy it last time; good thing I commute by train ;-)

"Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No they aren't. No farmer in Britain runs a commerical
business. They're hugely subsidised out of your tax money
- to the tune of (in Scotland) an average of £26,000 per
annum each. And, remember, next time you see a huge
tractor on the road, not only did you pay for it out of
your taxes, but the fuel it's burning doesn't pay a penny
to the exchequer.

Are farmers allowed to use red diesel on public roads?
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 16:36:10 +0100, "Simon Mason"
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What? In your Volvo? ;-)

Oh yes, I did drive once this week, I'd forgotten.

Yes I can talk. I drive to work when I'm on nights and to
collect my beer supplies to the tune of about 6 times week.
So I'm not worthy ;-)

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