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  1. Tony Raven said:


    "Daniel Barlow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

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    Among the other fruits in the supermarket near my office are apples
    from the USA and pears from New Zealand. Perhaps the additional
    transport costs could be reduced by sourcing these items somewhere
    /closer/?

    We could go back to the days I still remember where you could only get apples
    and pears in season. International shipping means we can now enjoy them and
    lots of other foods year round.

    But we don't enjoy them; for two reasons.

    Firstly the imported stuff is pallid and tasteless. I assume this is
    because it is grown and shipped for a diverse market and varieties are
    selected for the lowest common denominator taste.

    Secondly, the endless choice means there is no variety. If you can
    have strawberries in December, they are no longer an unfamiliar but
    remembered flavour in June.

  2. David Martin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    On 18/5/04 7:33 am, in article
    [email hidden], "MartinM"

    Quoted message said:

    Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<80pnn1-

    Quoted message said:

    ...and they taste of nothing. If you're going to have flavourless food,
    there's no need to import it from the other end of the earth.

    Remember though that before WW2 and U boat attacks on cargo ships, we
    imported much more of our produce from abroad (OK we had an empire
    then).


    Very few things. You forget the kitchen garden and village economy. Most of
    the food produced was invisible in the economic market as people did grow a
    lot more of their own.

    Quoted message said:

    Dig for Victory turned us into a nation of farmers, and look
    where we are now! Home grown is not necessarily most efficient or even
    best quality.

    It may not be as efficient but you get the benefit of reduced cost (labour
    costs virtually nothing), improved flavour, better choice of varieties (no
    one grows my favourite apple commercially), and a great deal of
    satisfaction.

    I have no problem at all with allotments/back garden produce, they are
    a very good thing, I wish I had the time/space to run one.

  3. Tim Hall said:


    There's some in Crawley too. "Reduce Pollution" it says, and a cartoon
    car belching fumes. I keep meaning to complete the slogan with a well
    placed "get on yer bike"

    I remember seeing a car once with a switch that you pressed to turn
    off the engine when stopped, such that you could restart it by lightly
    pressing the accelerator. It was intended to be used at junctions.

    How long do you have to be idling for to use the amount of fuel required
    to start the engine? I suppose it depends a lot on the engine itself,
    and it helps perhaps that its still warm to some extent. For the system
    above to be effective, you'd have to expect the engine to start quickly
    first time.

    - Richard

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  4. Quoted message said:

    But we don't enjoy them; for two reasons.

    Firstly the imported stuff is pallid and tasteless. I assume this is
    because it is grown and shipped for a diverse market and varieties are
    selected for the lowest common denominator taste.

    I think its because they select them primarily for the ability to survive
    the journey over here without spoiling/looking bad, and then select for
    taste. Kind of makes sense - mouldy strawberries don't taste good however
    delicious they were when they were first picked, and crappy foreign ones
    taste just the same as gorgeous English ones when you chuck 'em in a
    trifle.

    I'd be interested to know whether we send strawberries to foreign parts,
    and if they have nice domestic varieties that are superior to our exported
    ones.

  5. Not Responding said:


    Firstly the imported stuff is pallid and tasteless. I assume this is
    because it is grown and shipped for a diverse market and varieties are
    selected for the lowest common denominator taste.

    I think it's more that they're selected to look consistent and to have a
    long shelf life.

    R.

  6. Mark Thompson said:

    I'd be interested to know whether we send strawberries to foreign parts,
    and if they have nice domestic varieties that are superior to our exported
    ones.

    Not found an English strawberry to match Wépion ones from Belgium, but
    have seen neither English ones in Belgium nor Belgian ones here.

    RH

  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'd be interested to know whether we send strawberries to foreign
    parts, and if they have nice domestic varieties that are superior to
    our exported ones.

    Not found an English strawberry to match Wépion ones from Belgium, but
    have seen neither English ones in Belgium nor Belgian ones here.

    Having picked strawberries for a job last summer, I can reveal that you
    need a good eye and a little experience to select the most gorgeous tasting
    strawberry. Most are so-so, but when you find a good one it's *delicious*.

  8. David Hansen [email hidden] opined the following...

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    Quoted message said:

    I believe that the fuel should be cheaper
    for trucks and more expensive for cars. The majority of Europe agrees with
    this and discounts diesel relative to petrol.

    They also have a range of other taxes on lorries, which those making
    spurious comparisons tend to neglect to mention.

    I believe that they also make better use of those funny metal rods that
    connect places... er... rail. That's it.

    Jon

  9. gavin said:

    I believe that the fuel
    should be cheaper for trucks and more expensive for cars. The
    majority of Europe agrees with this and discounts diesel relative to
    petrol.

    The majority of Europe agrees with this to the extent that in many
    countries, diesel motorcars outsell petrol ones by about two to one...

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