Has anyone been to www.abovetopsecret.com?

[Weisse Luft]

Hey Air Amateur, the only one sniffing farts around here is you. You can refuse to accept the reality of the WTC 7 hi-jinx, but that doesn't make the truth any less real. If you think that somehow the fires that existed some 90+ floors up on WTC's 1 & 2 somehow "magically jumped" to WTC 7, when WTC 7 was only what - 47 stories high? - then you need to go back in for further shock treatments.

...and don't forget your Thorazine tab while you're drinking the Kool-Aid.

Were you there? The WTC towers were mostly air until the planes hit, then they became colums of fire, choked of all but minimum air to support combustion, hence the thick, black smoke. When they collapsed, and BOTH started on the floors ABOVE the impact, the air trapped inside along with the heated fuel vapors and gases was forcibly blown out the bottom floors where it ignited when it mixed with the outside air because it was above the flash point. These jets of flame are what damaged the surrounding buildings and caught WTC 7 on fire. You didn't see it because of the dust cloud.

I could go much deeper into the fire science involved but it would overload your feeble mind.

 

[Hypnospin]

Do you think it stayed there?
www.dailypress.com/dp-6772sy0sep09,0,2943770.story
this is kinda old news, from 2002, so I can understand you were not aware. the wreckage is indeed long gone, preventing any meaningful inspections and analysis from ever being performed.
things like this are so prone to getting swept under the rug, negating any credibility you supposedly offer.
it is an agenda thing, you know, to be supplied your information from the corporate sponsored, state censored commercial us news media.

at any rate, the evidence can never be analyzed conclusively as a result.

The debris was barged to a site on Staten Island.


So you admit that you really have no evidence to support Wurmster's suppositions as why the towers fell. Just as we all thought all along just "theories". Theories that are driven by a political agenda.

 

[Eldron]

Stop and ask yourself what some of the TV channels have to gain or lose by the type of "evidence" they put on. Find out who owns those stations, who they're connected with, and what their political agenda may be.

I have seen plenty of bullsh!t reports on 9/11, on Discovery, History Channel, etc., etc. I also know that getting other opinions is important in order to find out all of the relevant facts and viewpoints.

Here's just some of the countervailing evidence:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.htm

There are many other scientific opinions that adhere to similar explanations. Keep in mind that never before in history has a steel-framed building collapsed from fire.

And then you have the WTC 7 building collapsing at 5:30 p.m. that day, where it had not been touched by any significant debris or fallout from WTC 1 & 2 - and certainly had not been hit by an airplane - but had only small fires on 2 floors.

It doesn't matter what the media has to gain by adding a positive or negative spin to the story. The facts are the facts - an aeroplane hit the building - the building caught fire - the fire weakened the metal- the metal failed and the building fell.

I have a pretty good theory on the thermiting too. Aluminium thermites very well - I have seen it in many aluminium melting furnaces. The 1500+ celcius temeperatures in the fire would easily start aluminium thermiting (it burns much like magnesium ribbon on high school experiements). There would be a fair amount of aluminium in the building as well as in the aeroplane.

 

[Wurm]

The facts are the facts - an aeroplane hit the building - the building caught fire - the fire weakened the metal- the metal failed and the building fell.

Sorry Eldron, but it just ain't that easy. There is not a single case in history - not ONE mind you! - in which a steel-framed building collapsed due to a fire "melting" the framework; especially not one with the size and structure of the WTC's, and certainly not in the pancake-way they went down.

As Hypno said, how convenient it was that the debris was not collected for later investigation. No, instead it was hastily carted off and sold for scrap metal. Mere coincidence again I suppose?

(Which reminds me of another point: where did the debris from the "airliner" at the Pentagon crash go?? Why no standard NTSB investigation of that one, like almost all airplane crashes are?? Why no gaping hole in the Pentagon from a large airliner impact?? Why were all the videos of the crash taken by the surrounding individuals and businesses immediately confiscated by the FBI, never to be aired publicly??)

I'll say it again: if anyone wants to call me a "conspiracy theorist", that's fine, as long as you call yourselves "coincidence theorists".

 

[BassDave]

I repeat my questions:

What brought down the twin towers, and building 7 then, Wurm. I think people would have noticed explosives being systematically planted into the buildings structure. It's not a simple or hide-able procedure.

 

[MountainPro]

I repeat my questions:

What brought down the twin towers, and building 7 then, Wurm. I think people would have noticed explosives being systematically planted into the buildings structure. It's not a simple or hide-able procedure.

i am not saying that explosives did or didnt bring down the towers, but in a pre 9/11 New York, several suitcase sized explosives wouldnt be all that difficult to plant in strategic locations inside the building by expert covert agents (terrorist or not).

 

[Colorado Ryder]

Do you think it stayed there?
www.dailypress.com/dp-6772sy0sep09,0,2943770.story
this is kinda old news, from 2002, so I can understand you were not aware. the wreckage is indeed long gone, preventing any meaningful inspections and analysis from ever being performed.
things like this are so prone to getting swept under the rug, negating any credibility you supposedly offer.
it is an agenda thing, you know, to be supplied your information from the corporate sponsored, state censored commercial us news media.

at any rate, the evidence can never be analyzed conclusively as a result.

Still don't have any evidence to support Wurmster's theories? All you offer are vague supposition wrapped in a political agenda.
Where do you get your "information"? Does it come from those independent reporters?

 

[Colorado Ryder]

Sorry Eldron, but it just ain't that easy. There is not a single case in history - not ONE mind you! - in which a steel-framed building collapsed due to a fire "melting" the framework; especially not one with the size and structure of the WTC's, and certainly not in the pancake-way they went down.

As Hypno said, how convenient it was that the debris was not collected for later investigation. No, instead it was hastily carted off and sold for scrap metal. Mere coincidence again I suppose?

(Which reminds me of another point: where did the debris from the "airliner" at the Pentagon crash go?? Why no standard NTSB investigation of that one, like almost all airplane crashes are?? Why no gaping hole in the Pentagon from a large airliner impact?? Why were all the videos of the crash taken by the surrounding individuals and businesses immediately confiscated by the FBI, never to be aired publicly??)

I'll say it again: if anyone wants to call me a "conspiracy theorist", that's fine, as long as you call yourselves "coincidence theorists".

OK. You are a freakin' nut case wacko conspiracy theorist! Keep posting more theories though. I need the comedy and you prove to everyone else how utter ridiculous you are.

*****Chirp Chirp*****

 

[Eldron]

Sorry Eldron, but it just ain't that easy. There is not a single case in history - not ONE mind you! - in which a steel-framed building collapsed due to a fire "melting" the framework; especially not one with the size and structure of the WTC's, and certainly not in the pancake-way they went down.

As Hypno said, how convenient it was that the debris was not collected for later investigation. No, instead it was hastily carted off and sold for scrap metal. Mere coincidence again I suppose?

(Which reminds me of another point: where did the debris from the "airliner" at the Pentagon crash go?? Why no standard NTSB investigation of that one, like almost all airplane crashes are?? Why no gaping hole in the Pentagon from a large airliner impact?? Why were all the videos of the crash taken by the surrounding individuals and businesses immediately confiscated by the FBI, never to be aired publicly??)

I'll say it again: if anyone wants to call me a "conspiracy theorist", that's fine, as long as you call yourselves "coincidence theorists".

There is also not a single case in history of a huge aeroplane flying through a building!!!!! Not one mind you!!!!

A concrete/steel building will only ever "pancake" they way it did.

Really Wurm - your logic is seriously flawed. The physics of the building collapsing is real - just because some feds clean up a rubble site efficiently is not reason enough to accuse the governement of intentionally blowing up a landmark. Even you have to admit - that's a stretch.

As for the crash videos:
1) there were several "amateur videos" of the crash that were publically aired.
2) there was a light aircraft crash in johannesburg recently - the civil aviation authority asked for members of the public with video footage to come forward with material. they took the footage and haven't aired it or given it back (CONFISCATED!!!!!). Does that mean George Bush himself came to south africa to down the cessna?

I used to give you some credit for standing up for your beliefs but your last few postings have revealed a desperate bush hater clinging to vague, non scientific "proof" in the hopes of retaining his hatred.

 

[zapper]

Sorry Eldron, but it just ain't that easy. There is not a single case in history - not ONE mind you! - in which a steel-framed building collapsed due to a fire "melting" the framework; especially not one with the size and structure of the WTC's, and certainly not in the pancake-way they went down.

As Hypno said, how convenient it was that the debris was not collected for later investigation. No, instead it was hastily carted off and sold for scrap metal. Mere coincidence again I suppose?

(Which reminds me of another point: where did the debris from the "airliner" at the Pentagon crash go?? Why no standard NTSB investigation of that one, like almost all airplane crashes are?? Why no gaping hole in the Pentagon from a large airliner impact?? Why were all the videos of the crash taken by the surrounding individuals and businesses immediately confiscated by the FBI, never to be aired publicly??)

I'll say it again: if anyone wants to call me a "conspiracy theorist", that's fine, as long as you call yourselves "coincidence theorists".

Oh there you go…I knew it would be a matter of time before you pulled out the missing plane at the pentagon theory….Only a moron like you would repeat such trash…Sorry boxcar, I have friends who worked at the pentagon who saw and heard the plane…oh, tell me it was a freakin Oliver Stone production next why don’t you…Glad you admit to being a conspiracy theorist whacko that is the first factual statement you have posted to date! ****eek eek****

 

[Wurm]

There is also not a single case in history of a huge aeroplane flying through a building!!!!! Not one mind you!!!!

A concrete/steel building will only ever "pancake" they way it did.

Really Wurm - your logic is seriously flawed. The physics of the building collapsing is real - just because some feds clean up a rubble site efficiently is not reason enough to accuse the governement of intentionally blowing up a landmark. Even you have to admit - that's a stretch.

As for the crash videos:
1) there were several "amateur videos" of the crash that were publically aired.
2) there was a light aircraft crash in johannesburg recently - the civil aviation authority asked for members of the public with video footage to come forward with material. they took the footage and haven't aired it or given it back (CONFISCATED!!!!!). Does that mean George Bush himself came to south africa to down the cessna?

I wasn't talking about the vids of the WTC's. I'm talking about the vids of the Pentagon crash. Those were all confiscated right after it happened. Don't give me the line that because it was the Pentagon, it was for "national security" reasons. Horsesh!t.

The gov't didn't "efficiently clean up" the debris after OK City and get rid of the evidence, did they? Well gee, there was no potential war and billions of dollars attached to that outcome.

There exists PLENTY of evidence and unanswered questions about not only the collapse of all 3 WTC's, but about many, many other 9/11 issues involving NORAD, the Air Force, the Joint Chiefs, Cheney, the Saudis, the flight over PA, and more. The problem is, no matter what I or anyone else presents for your perusal, you've already decided to dismiss it out of hand.

Refusing to accept the facts as they are does not make them any less true.

 

[Colorado Ryder]

The problem is, no matter what I or anyone else presents for your perusal, you've already decided to dismiss it out of hand.

Refusing to accept the facts as they are does not make them any less true.

We did read your posts and decided that you are completely insane. Refusing to accept that fact doesn't make it any less true.

 

[Wurm]

This message is hidden because Colorado Ryder is on your ignore list.

Haven't you figured this out yet?

 

[Colorado Ryder]

This message is hidden because Colorado Ryder is on your ignore list.

Haven't you figured this out yet?

Apparently, you keep taking me off your ignore list to read my posts. Then you try to be real cute and put me back on the ignore list and post this. Most people have gotten you figured out. Buh-Bye!

 

[Wurm]

Looks like CR's talking to himself again. (?)

 

[Colorado Ryder]

Looks like CR's talking to himself again. (?)

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[zapper]

Looks like CR's talking to himself again. (?)

It is obvious that when CR talks...you listen...respond and look stupid time after time after time...

 

[Wurm]

It is obvious that when CR talks...you listen...respond and look stupid time after time after time...

Why, because I show that his rantings are blocked so I can't read them, and that I don't know why he continues to post right after I do? It's obvious that he's replying to my posts, but no matter how hard he knocks, I still can't hear him. LMAO!

The stupid ones here are you and him.

 

[zapper]

Why, because I show that his rantings are blocked so I can't read them, and that I don't know why he continues to post right after I do? It's obvious that he's replying to my posts, but no matter how hard he knocks, I still can't hear him. LMAO!

The stupid ones here are you and him.

There can be no denying it. It is completely obvious that you are indeed and idiot....YOU just come a running whenever CR posts...That is truly funny... You are killing me here boxcar....you are pitiful.....

 

[Wurm]

There can be no denying it. It is completely obvious that you are indeed and idiot....YOU just come a running whenever CR posts...That is truly funny... You are killing me here boxcar....you are pitiful.....

I doubt it. This is the first time I've "responded" to any of his blocked posts in some time. Go look to see if you can find anything where I replied to any points he's made lately, unless they were quoted by someone else. That would be the only way I would be able to see text of his rantings.

All you guys know is denial and lies, hmm? I sure hope you didn't reproduce, 'coz I pity them if you did.