Discovery in disarray.... ?



helmutRoole2 said:
And therein lies the real mystery. The Disco riders who tested positive didn't do so before or during their time with Disco, only after.

It's pretty simple if you have some brain cells and let go of the unrreaonable, yersome, libelous, and ridiculous disco bashing.

They went to teams that cheated form a team that didn't. Phonak had nine violations in two years. Heras went to team run by Mr. "Busted with Blood Bags." With Disco they didn't have to cheat win...
 
mercurycu99 said:
helmutRoole2 said:
And therein lies the real mystery. The Disco riders who tested positive didn't do so before or during their time with Disco, only after.

It's pretty simple if you have some brain cells and let go of the unrreaonable, yersome, libelous, and ridiculous disco bashing.

They went to teams that cheated form a team that didn't. Phonak had nine violations in two years. Heras went to team run by Mr. "Busted with Blood Bags." With Disco they didn't have to cheat win...
No, no, no. Merc, use the noodle. We're talking cospiracy theory here. Far reaching stuff. Reasonable explanations aren't going work. Throw a kangaroo in the mix, anything.

Okay, I'll start it.

Tyler Hamilton decides he wants to leave USP. During his time with USP, he's never done PEDs. At about the same time Hamilton leaves for Phonak, a traveling circus from Africa called Krone starts touring the circus circuit in Europe. One of the featured acts is a Kangaroo that rides a giant lama*.
*http://www.circus-krone.de/en/tiere/lama.html

Okay, finish it.
 
helmutRoole2 said:
No, no, no. Merc, use the noodle. We're talking cospiracy theory here. Far reaching stuff. Reasonable explanations aren't going work. Throw a kangaroo in the mix, anything.

Okay, I'll start it.

Tyler Hamilton decides he wants to leave USP. During his time with USP, he's never done PEDs. At about the same time Hamilton leaves for Phonak, a traveling circus from Africa called Krone starts touring the circus circuit in Europe. One of the featured acts is a Kangaroo that rides a giant lama*.
*http://www.circus-krone.de/en/tiere/lama.html

Okay, finish it.
It must involve the kangaroo pouch, right ? :D
 
karlotta said:
It must involve the kangaroo pouch, right ? :D
Okay, I'll add more to get the ball rolling. Merc, anytime you see an opening, jump in:

Separate, the kangaroo and the lama were unimpressive, but together they were like dynamite and matchsticks. Before the giant lama came onto the scene, the kangaroo couldn't jump onto the back of the king turtle in the midget turtle wrestling act, but with the arrival of the lama, suddenly the kangaroo cold jump six feet high with accuracy on to the back of the giant lama. For 15 days they were the greatest act in Europe. Then, on the 16th performance, suddenly the kangaroo couldn't jump. He cracked. Even the king midget turtle was too much for the kangaroo to jump on. Then, miraculously, on the 17th night, the kangaroo was back, better than ever, this time jumping over the giant lama and on to the back of the six-legged giraffe. .

By sheer coincidence, it was on the 17th night that Tyler Hamilton and his dog Tugboat decided to take in a show for the evening, "But what?" Tyler asked his dog. Tugboat replied, "I hear that kangaroo and giant lama show over at the Krone Circus tent is suppose to be a smokin' act."

So away they went to the circus where Tyler witnessed one of the greatest evenings in circus history. It was Tugboat who suggested that all might not be "on the up and up." It was Tugboat who suggested a trip backstage to meet the giant lama and the kangaroo might be a "enterprising" adventure.
 
helmutRoole2 said:
Okay, I'll add more to get the ball rolling. Merc, anytime you see an opening, jump in:

Separate, the kangaroo and the lama were unimpressive, but together they were like dynamite and matchsticks. Before the giant lama came onto the scene, the kangaroo couldn't jump onto the back of the king turtle in the midget turtle wrestling act, but with the arrival of the lama, suddenly the kangaroo cold jump six feet high with accuracy on to the back of the giant lama. For 15 days they were the greatest act in Europe. Then, on the 16th performance, suddenly the kangaroo couldn't jump. He cracked. Even the king midget turtle was too much for the kangaroo to jump on. Then, miraculously, on the 17th night, the kangaroo was back, better than ever, this time jumping over the giant lama and on to the back of the six-legged giraffe. .

By sheer coincidence, it was on the 17th night that Tyler Hamilton and his dog Tugboat decided to take in a show for the evening, "But what?" Tyler asked his dog. Tugboat replied, "I hear that kangaroo and giant lama show over at the Krone Circus tent is suppose to be a smokin' act."

So away they went to the circus where Tyler witnessed one of the greatest evenings in circus history. It was Tugboat who suggested that all might not be "on the up and up." It was Tugboat who suggested a trip backstage to meet the giant lama and the kangaroo might be a "enterprising" adventure.
Share that pot belge around!!
 
helmutRoole2 said:
And therein lies the real mystery. The Disco riders who tested positive didn't do so before or during their time with Disco, only after.

People, I think we've got the makings of a conpiracy theory here, at least the raw material. Why are so many Disco/USP riders clean before and during their stint with Disco/USP, but not soon after they leave, bingo, hot **** test.

Usual suspects: French labs, French media, WADA, UCI, extortionists... have I left anyone out?

Above are the nuts and bolts. It's time to piece this thing together. Where should we start? Any helpful suggestions are appreciated.
Here's a theory that could actually have a basis in reality. Could it be.. because those doping organizations were at least partially "funded" by Discovery ?? :)

Not saying I believe that, but it's a plausible theory.
 
mercurycu99 said:
It's pretty simple if you have some brain cells and let go of the unrreaonable, yersome, libelous, and ridiculous disco bashing.

They went to teams that cheated form a team that didn't. Phonak had nine violations in two years. Heras went to team run by Mr. "Busted with Blood Bags." With Disco they didn't have to cheat win...
You forgot the bit about the tooth fairy making DSC riders really strong from 1999 - 2005 but causing them to be completely **** in 2006. And the other bit about how the Easter bunny makes them weaker when they go from a "clean" DSC to these other doped teams. It is amazing how the doping weakens these ex-DSC riders.
 
Mansmind said:
Here's a theory that could actually have a basis in reality. Could it be.. because those doping organizations were at least partially "funded" by Discovery ?? :)

Not saying I believe that, but it's a plausible theory.

I think we might be on to something here. I haven't really supported some of the other conspiracy theories on this forum - but I'm warming to this one.

I'll have a word to Lance and see how he responds.
 
Right then...it was the French!
For some reason known only to god and a Shanghai rickshaw driver they conspired to wreck one of their own cultural icons,destroy public confidence in the sport of cycling, reduce the numbers of people who visit France for the Tour and smear all the European companies who sponsor the teams, to give the TdF to a spaniard,all because "they" hated armstrong and landis.
They hate you americans because of your freedom.......fries.

Now,did I get it right,and can I now remove this feckin' tinfoil hat?
 
stevebaby said:
Right then...it was the French!
For some reason known only to god and a Shanghai rickshaw driver they conspired to wreck one of their own cultural icons,destroy public confidence in the sport of cycling, reduce the numbers of people who visit France for the Tour and smear all the European companies who sponsor the teams, to give the TdF to a spaniard,all because "they" hated armstrong and landis.
They hate you americans because of your freedom.......fries.

Now,did I get it right,and can I now remove this feckin' tinfoil hat?


Update:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14152281/
 
helmutRoole2 said:
And therein lies the real mystery. The Disco riders who tested positive didn't do so before or during their time with Disco, only after.

People, I think we've got the makings of a conpiracy theory here, at least the raw material. Why are so many Disco/USP riders clean before and during their stint with Disco/USP, but not soon after they leave, bingo, hot **** test.

Usual suspects: French labs, French media, WADA, UCI, extortionists... have I left anyone out?

Above are the nuts and bolts. It's time to piece this thing together. Where should we start? Any helpful suggestions are appreciated.
I think a great place to look would be at their performance with disco and once they left. It they were exceptional with disco, then they were on drugs then or never took drugs at all. If there was a performance jump that doesn't seem plausable just with differant training, then that makes you wonder
 
The cull begins !

- Liquigas have signed Spaniard Manuel Beltran on a one-year contract. Beltran was told after the Giro by his current Discovery Channel that he would not be offered a contract for next season. Liquigas plan to use him as one of their leaders for next year’s Vuelta.
 
Despite Levi signing for DSC, it looks like they are still going about finding a replacement for Lance in a very propfessional manner. I like the fact that they are prepared to consider 13 year olds. Make up your own minds as to what signal it is sending Big GeorgeTM

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Ride with Lance Armstrong at Race to Replace
If you happen to be in Indianapolis with your bicycle on Saturday, you might want to head down to ride with Lance Armstrong in the "Race to Replace."

"Race to Replace" was initially coined as the slogan to find a Discovery Channel teammate able to lead the team at the 2006 Tour de France after Lance Armstrong's retirement from the sport.

This "Race to Replace" being ridden at the home of the Indy 500 is the public relations and cancer fund-raising event to pick a cyclist who will join the Discovery team at the US Pro Chamionships, on Sept. 1-3.

Registration for the "Race to Replace" contest is closed. But on-site registration is still open for a one-lap ride around the 2.5-mile track with Armstrong.

The public ride costs $20 and is open to anyone 13 and older, but anyone 18 and under must have a waiver signed by a parent or guardian.
 
whiteboytrash said:
The cull begins !

- Liquigas have signed Spaniard Manuel Beltran on a one-year contract. Beltran was told after the Giro by his current Discovery Channel that he would not be offered a contract for next season. Liquigas plan to use him as one of their leaders for next year’s Vuelta.
Beltran hasnt performed, putting aside the question who on Discovery has this year, so his days are numberd.
 
wicklow200 said:
"Race to Replace" was initially coined as the slogan to find a Discovery Channel teammate able to lead the team at the 2006 Tour de France after Lance Armstrong's retirement from the sport.
ROTFL. That statement has the smell of some marketing "genius" at Discovery all over it. It's a gimmick by DC to pimp the Lance connection and for Lance's foundation to make some money (which makes the whole fiasco worthwhile on some level). Hell, I really don't think that Brunyeel is taking this all that seriously. What would be great is if some 35 year old, weekend warrior-type guy won. Hee.
 
sydsyd said:
ROTFL. That statement has the smell of some marketing "genius" at Discovery all over it. It's a gimmick by DC to pimp the Lance connection and for Lance's foundation to make some money (which makes the whole fiasco worthwhile on some level). Hell, I really don't think that Brunyeel is taking this all that seriously. What would be great is if some 35 year old, weekend warrior-type guy won. Hee.
Yes, the guy is gonna be strong to win a 40 km ITT.
And probably experienced because the winner gets to ride the US Pro Champs with Disco.

Now, what WOULD be funny is some trackie or triathlete shows up, smokes the field, and then goes the the US Pro Champs and causes a bunch of crashes due to poor bike handling and then Disco gets sued.
THAT would be funny.

I guess they can do this since its not a ProTour Race.
But how can the guy get a Pro license to race or if he doesnt HAVE a license...I guess the lawyers have already figured this out.
 
hombredesubaru said:
But how can the guy get a Pro license to race or if he doesnt HAVE a license...I guess the lawyers have already figured this out.
Velo News print edition, 6/19/06, discussed this very issue:

...there are a few potential UCI rulebook snags. One UCI rules states that ProTour teams may admit riders after August 1 so long as the rider has not previously belonged to a ProTour or professional continental team, and the UCI is notifed by August 1. With the qualifying race scheduled August 12. [USA Cycling Chief of Staff Sean] Petty wasn't sure how Discovery would work around that rule.

"How Discovery goes about accomplishing that is up to them," Petty said. "I imagine they can get that done, but they're going to have to scramble."

Another snag could be the UCI's mandatory minimum ProTour rider salary of $31,000...So, in addition to the airfare, bicycle and team clothing, would this rider be paid $31,000? As of press time, Discovery Channel team management didn't have an answer.

Whether the UCI holds Discovery to the letter of the law remains to be seen. Cycling's federations have granted exceptions in the past, evidenced by Austrian skier Hermann Maier's prologue appearance at the 2003 Tour de France.