Discovery disbands

[fbircher]

Like it or not, Lim, there were sufficient specific allegations against Rasmussen that his team pulled him. The allegations against Contador were, to some extent, cleared by the UCI, correctly or not. I don't see why Disco had any more obligation to pull their rider than any other team, besides Rabobank. So I do not see the parallel between the two in terms of the events of the 2007 TdF. Disco had no greater obligation to pull a rider, because of the various facts and beliefs regarding their riders going back to 1999, than any other 2007 TdF team. Perhaps they earn greater distrust, but not greater obligation.

As for the general anti-Disco tenor here, whatever the historical origins, it does seem especially virulent and imbalanced as of 2007, when all or many teams are under suspicion.

Excellent summary, and very well written. Agree 100%.

 

[Doctor.Tom.M]

All teams are under suspicion, I agree.

I have to say when other teams/team riders have been shown to have doped - their supporters here have (in most cases) accepted that they have doped and have not tried to defend them with convoluted arguments about the
professionalism of the laboratory/laboratory staff, xenophobic comments about the nationality of the race organisers/race locations, condescending remarks about the ability of riders on other teams.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said when legitimate doubts were raised about USPS/DC here.
Certain USPS/DC-supporting forum members insisted on making derogatory comments bout the professionalism of the laboratory/laboratory staff.
Making xenophobic comments about the nationality of the race organisers/race locations
Making xenophobic comments about the media of the race organisers/race locations.
And making condescending remarks about the ability of riders on other teams.
Indeed some even stated that any criticism of DC was a criticism of America
and Americans.

Indeed most of your list can also be placed on many of us who think Discovery, Armstrong and Nike are the devil (no not that smelly German guy!)

 

[Doctor.House]

MSNBC has just removed cycling as a sporting news link.

Cycling as a sport no longer exists at GE (Olympic underwriter).

More will follow.

 

[meehs]

As for the general anti-Disco tenor here, whatever the historical origins, it does seem especially virulent and imbalanced as of 2007, when all or many teams are under suspicion.

The anti-Disco sentiment on this forum has been quite virulent since long before the 2007 season!

It's just that now -with all of the other riders and teams surfacing as being just as guilty- the focus on Disco and the level of bias being displayed by those who insist that Disco is somehow "worse" than any of the other teams; has reached an entirely new level of ridiculousness and absurdity! Which I didn't think was possible!

 

[Doctor.House]

Oh yes they did.

Benoit Joachim, June 2000 for Nandrolone (Deca) he still raced on the USPO 2000 Tour and was suspended and sacked in October, then quietly rehired by USPO in 2001.

and Lance in the 1999 Prologue TT

USPO was a a confirmed doper team. Their lies don't change that.

never had a positive.

But this is the court of corporate opinion.

This is the biggest indictment of Armstrong and the Armstrong years. They cannot find a company to put their name to his team with Contador, the new winderkind, who would conceivably rack up victories like Armstrong if he had the same quality support team, medical program, and logistics to deliver blood tranfusions.

 

[meehs]

Don't make me start erasing your posts fool! I got picked on as a child, and I'll be damned if I put up with that kind of **** now that I have attained power as a moderator.

Bow before me. You're in the presence of royalty.

Hey Lim, I don't mean to pick on any one individual (and I know you know that). These kind of debates (at least for me) are not on a "personal" level.

The only problem I have is that on this forum we used to talk about the Grand Tours and the other big races. Now pretty much each and every thread devolves into a doping (and often times a LA/Disco) debate. Hell, most of the threads start as doping discussions now!

I do realize that you can't really talk GT's these days without talking doping. It's unfortunate. But I just don't come 'round as much because it really gets tiring (literally!) to me to talk about it!

 

[thoughtforfood]

Disco is dead, hell I knew that in the late 70's....OH.....you mean the rotting corpse of a cycling team whose stench could be smelled in all their odious statements regarding doping. Good riddance, and it appears from one of its posts, that saliki is gone also. It is a blue ribbon day, stupendous!

 

[Doctor.House]

Hey Lim, I don't mean to pick on any one individual (and I know you know that). These kind of debates (at least for me) are not on a "personal" level.

The only problem I have is that on this forum we used to talk about the Grand Tours and the other big races. Now pretty much each and every thread devolves into a doping (and often times a LA/Disco) debate. Hell, most of the threads start as doping discussions now!

I do realize that you can't really talk GT's these days without talking doping. It's unfortunate. But I just don't come 'round as much because it really gets tiring (literally!) to me to talk about it!

That's TV Networks adopted Extreme Cage Fighting, Pride fights, Pinks, college football, female boxing and Nascar---for folks like you who love pure sports--devoid of any emotion.

 

[meehs]

That's TV Networks adopted Extreme Cage Fighting, Pride fights, Pinks, college football, female boxing and Nascar---for folks like you who love pure sports--devoid of any emotion.

Sorry. I don't understand. You're being sarcastic? I'd like to see "pure" sports if by that you mean clean sports (I think many of us would). But I'm not naive enough to believe it's going to happen anytime soon. I do believe that there can be plenty of emotion in sports without the use of PED's! Don't quite get that part... I don't follow any of the sports you listed.

 

[Bro Deal]

as I said in my post at the beginning of this thread, la is probably the one behind the disbanding.

I keep reading here and elsewhere that its a problem that this team didnt find a sponsor. if you read what disco actually says, it is not that they could not find a sponsor, it is that they (disco) "have chosen, however, to end those discussions"

considering the current climate, if and when they reenter the sport, it will be after the doping issues die down. there is no way in hell, considering their history, would they agree to strick in-house doping controls. besides, la doesnt want to be associated w/the sport right now, doesnt care about its survival and is only out for himself and his reputation.

I think that is a pretty good take on the situation. They, especially LA, are scared as hell that Gripper will target their team and they will be next year's Astana. Before Gripper was hired, the UCI would look the other way and some teams were treated with kid gloves, but now all bets are off.

Armstrong is busy promoting himself as a "marathon runner." WTF! Anything not associated with pro cycling. He just wants to show up to recreational cycling events and be fawned upon by the freds.

 

[cyclingheroes]

Actually I don't think this is funny. If you don't agree with LimerickMAN's contributions than discuss that with him...

Hi. My name is limerickmam, and I'm an alcoholic.


Growing up as a fat, snot-nosed, mildly retarded child, I got picked on quite often. But now that I'm a forum moderator, roles have reversed suckers.


I'm not putting up with any Disco chat around here, unless it involves unfounded doping allegations. Don't disagree with me or I will systematically erase your posts as if you never even existed on this planet.


Bow before the almighty Limerickmam!!!!!!!!!!

 

[meehs]

Hi. My name is limerickmam, and I'm an alcoholic.


Growing up as a fat, snot-nosed, mildly retarded child, I got picked on quite often. But now that I'm a forum moderator, roles have reversed suckers.


I'm not putting up with any Disco chat around here, unless it involves unfounded doping allegations. Don't disagree with me or I will systematically erase your posts as if you never even existed on this planet.


Bow before the almighty Limerickmam!!!!!!!!!!

The first time you posted, I thought you were really Lim and that he was being unusually "cheeky". Although it's way out of character for him. Anyway... you got me! I have to agree with CH though. All in all, pretty lame!

 

[Bro Deal]

The first time you posted, I thought you were really Lim and that he was being unusually "cheeky". Although it's way out of character for him. Anyway... you got me! I have to agree with CH though. All in all, pretty lame!

It's trivial to compare IP addresses with a few of the resident posters to find out who it is. My bet is saluki.

 

[meehs]

Armstrong is busy promoting himself as a "marathon runner." WTF! Anything not associated with pro cycling. He just wants to show up to recreational cycling events and be fawned upon by the freds.

I rode RAGBRAI this year. Not to see Lance, believe me! And the Fred Fawning you speak of was abolutely ridiculous! People were tripping over themselves to kiss his ass.

 

[poulidor]

I keep reading here and elsewhere that its a problem that this team didnt find a sponsor. if you read what disco actually says, it is not that they could not find a sponsor, it is that they (disco) "have chosen, however, to end those discussions"

considering the current climate, if and when they reenter the sport, it will be after the doping issues die down. there is no way in hell, considering their history, would they agree to strick in-house doping controls. besides, la doesnt want to be associated w/the sport right now, doesnt care about its survival and is only out for himself and his reputation.

I hope it's just PR... because it would be harsh for the 60 people who worked in the team.
At least, he coud left Tailwind, eventually forced them to change the name,...
But if you are right, it would open the door to some whistlblowers, became angry with that. So it would be a bad LA calculation. Maybe the worts for his presidential candidature.

 

[Klodifan]

I hope it's just PR... because it would be harsh for the 60 people who worked in the team.
At least, he coud left Tailwind, eventually forced them to change the name,...
But if you are right, it would open the door to some whistlblowers, became angry with that. So it would be a bad LA calculation. Maybe the worts for his presidential candidature.

I dont thinkso . I am sure they'll receive hefty severance pay...

when the threads die down, I will start a new thread posing a question pertaining to all of this.

 

[jsull14]

MSNBC has just removed cycling as a sporting news link.

Cycling as a sport no longer exists at GE (Olympic underwriter).

More will follow.

You're the knucklehead who said sponsors just want exposure and don't care about doping.

 

[Cobblestones]

But if you are right, it would open the door to some whistlblowers, became angry with that. So it would be a bad LA calculation.

Interesting thought.

 

[Doctor.House]

You're the knucklehead who said sponsors just want exposure and don't care about doping.

Need more media education, eh jsull the numb skull?

USA media cares about Lance and Nike. That they still possess those brands.

Cycling are doping are wholly irrelevant.

 

[Doctor.Tom.M]

You are hurting our battle vs. the great satan by posting foolish information. Most news sites, including MSNBC post a cycling link just before, through and just after the Tour and then put cycling stories under "other stories."