Discovery in disarray.... ?

[cPritch67]

Disco should sign Cadel Evans. If Evans contract is not up this year, they should put up the money to buy him out of it. Evans needs a team to support him in the mountains and he won't get it at Davitamon.

Nah, he's not a GT winner.

 

[SaintAndrew]

A mediator is usually an attorney that has a designation to act as such.In my state you must be registered as such. They try and persuade two parties to come to an agreement through indirect negoitation while they are in separate rooms.
Either or both parties can reject offers from the other.
A mediator does not have any decisive powers. They can only deliver information back and forth and present it in a format that is in theory condusive to settlling the claim or claims.
It has been said that a successful mediation is when both parties feel they have lost to some degree. Some work and some do not and the parties end up in court.
I have been to many!
An arbitrator does have decision making authority, but that is another story and wasn't your question.

lol i know what mediator is. i was asking if they went through a mediator.

 

[jhuskey]

lol i know what mediator is. i was asking if they went through a mediator.

Sorry my eyes are going,you know.

 

[mitosis]

hey no worries - but I agree with you, it is HORSESHIT.

Can I agree too? Complete and utter horseshit.

 

[mitosis]

Better than the teams that don't even have moral victory, that didn't nurture Landis in his pro financy as a non-mountain-bike cyclist.

Well if Floyd reads this forum he would have gained moral support from me saying at the start of the tour that I thought he was a chance of winning.

So I am pleased to have had some input to his development and am not too humble to accept praise for it.

 

[musette]

Well if Floyd reads this forum he would have gained moral support from me saying at the start of the tour that I thought he was a chance of winning.

So I am pleased to have had some input to his development and am not too humble to accept praise for it.

And I am happy to timidly accept praise for pushing the early argument in a prior forum that TM should have rid itself of Zabel from the TdF team, since my advice was ultimately followed. In fact, Kloden might have even been inspired by me to speak up against Zabel.

 

[jhuskey]

Well if Floyd reads this forum he would have gained moral support from me saying at the start of the tour that I thought he was a chance of winning.

So I am pleased to have had some input to his development and am not too humble to accept praise for it.

I suppose I deserve some credit also since I tagged Landis over Leipheimer and Hincapie as the favorite American in the tour.This was done on our local radio station.
At least 100 people were listening and I bet one or two actually paid attention.
Nah,nobody paid attention! No praise for me please, just a large share of the money.

 

[mitosis]

I suppose I deserve some credit also since I tagged Landis over Leipheimer and Hincapie as the favorite American in the tour.This was done on our local radio station.
At least 100 people were listening and I bet one or two actually paid attention.
Nah,nobody paid attention! No praise for me please, just a large share of the money.

I've actually sent him a claim for 1.5% of the teams prize money but so far he hasn't replied. He's probably busy not partying (considering his religious upbringing).

 

[Capt.Injury]

What I find interesting, that outside of Leipheimer, the other 2 signings are both young sprinters. Vaitkus winning a stage in the Giro in s field sprint, and he is/was ( I can't remember at the moment) the under 23 world Time Trial champ.

Paulinho (SP?) is a sprinter also, best known for a second place in the last Olympic games. Being a team that has heavily favored the stage races. IN fact outside of Max Van Heeswjik and Boonen, they never have concentrated on the sprinting aspect at all (I consider Hincapie a One Day Specialist, not a sprinter even early in his career)

 

[cyclingheroes]

What I find interesting, that outside of Leipheimer, the other 2 signings are both young sprinters. Vaitkus winning a stage in the Giro in s field sprint, and he is/was ( I can't remember at the moment) the under 23 world Time Trial champ.

Paulinho (SP?) is a sprinter also, best known for a second place in the last Olympic games. Being a team that has heavily favored the stage races. IN fact outside of Max Van Heeswjik and Boonen, they never have concentrated on the sprinting aspect at all (I consider Hincapie a One Day Specialist, not a sprinter even early in his career)

Paulinho is from Portugal and he wasn't allowed to start at the Tour de France because he is on the Fuentes list. That's pretty interesting since German media are writing.. well Ullrich might look for a new team but he is on the list and at the same page an article about Leipheimer, Paulinho and Vaitkus going to Disco... no word about the list (as they also don't care that Jaksche will start in hannover on Friday..)

Double standards...

 

[Orla_24]

Isn't it customary for the winner to let his team split the entirety of the Tour money, keeping a share of zero for himself? I vaguely recall LA doing that.

Not a big deal for a rider to give up 50K when they are getting 2500K as a bonus on the side!

I think LA was unique when he did it, and I'm not sure about his first win. After several wins, though...

 

[whiteboytrash]

I think LA was unique when he did it, and I'm not sure about his first win. After several wins, though...

No its a long standing tradtion that the Tour winner splits all prize money with the team....... the things you guys read !

 

[Bjorn P.Dal]

Hehe!

Last known(only?) prize money controversey was in 96 as far as I know. Udo Bolts has repeatedly said that Bjarne Riis did not share his winnings, lastly in his newly released book. Brian Holm, also on telekoms team in 96 claims Riis did share his winnings, in addition to buying a fancy watch to each of the team members if i recall correctly.

 

[whiteboytrash]

Hehe!

Last known(only?) prize money controversey was in 96 as far as I know. Udo Bolts has repeatedly said that Bjarne Riis did not share his winnings, lastly in his newly released book. Brian Holm, also on telekoms team in 96 claims Riis did share his winnings, in addition to buying a fancy watch to each of the team members if i recall correctly.

I did read that and I also read that LeMond in 86 tried to withhold money on the basis that his team didn't want him to win.... even Roche shared his money at the 87 Giro and he was sleeping in a caravan because no one in his team would even speak to him ! (with the exception of Eddie Schepers)

 

[JRMDC]

What I find interesting, that outside of Leipheimer, the other 2 signings are both young sprinters. Vaitkus winning a stage in the Giro in s field sprint, and he is/was ( I can't remember at the moment) the under 23 world Time Trial champ.

I think of Vaitkus as a classics rider, not a sprinter. I recall having seen a quote from Bruyneel saying that also.

 

[bobke]

I did read that and I also read that LeMond in 86 tried to withhold money on the basis that his team didn't want him to win.... even Roche shared his money at the 87 Giro and he was sleeping in a caravan because no one in his team would even speak to him ! (with the exception of Eddie Schepers)

Its hard to withold the money I think although there were stories that after 2001 TdF Lance handed each rider their share and had doubled it on his own.

But usually the check is cut to the team.
So for example, when Armstrong won the Million Dollar Challenge in the US by time it gout to him it was 200 to 300 hundred thousand and taxes took out 60%. This is true because I read it somewhere.

 

[whiteboytrash]

Well another USPS/Dico rider tests positive... where will it end ? Is Discovery the drug training school for riders of the ProTour ? No other team has the history that USPS/Discovery do.... Hamilton, Heres, Landis, Amstrong etc etc etc..... Discovery are in drug disarray....

 

[Serafino]

Well another USPS/Dico rider tests positive... where will it end ? Is Discovery the drug training school for riders of the ProTour ? No other team has the history that USPS/Discovery do.... Hamilton, Heres, Landis, Amstrong etc etc etc..... Discovery are in drug disarray....

Man, you are one sad and embittered individual. Seems to me that if anything you should note that nobody tested positive while at USPS/Discovery. However, Phonak seems to have a special knack for positive tests as did Liberty Seguros.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your spewing any more libelous statements. Keep 'em coming while you hide under a well chosen moniker.

 

[dexjava]

Man, you are one sad and embittered individual. Seems to me that if anything you should note that nobody tested positive while at USPS/Discovery. However, Phonak seems to have a special knack for positive tests as did Liberty Seguros.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your spewing any more libelous statements. Keep 'em coming while you hide under a well chosen moniker.

And Serafino wins.

 

[helmutRoole2]

Seems to me that if anything you should note that nobody tested positive while at USPS/Discovery. However, Phonak seems to have a special knack for positive tests as did Liberty Seguros.

And therein lies the real mystery. The Disco riders who tested positive didn't do so before or during their time with Disco, only after.

People, I think we've got the makings of a conpiracy theory here, at least the raw material. Why are so many Disco/USP riders clean before and during their stint with Disco/USP, but not soon after they leave, bingo, hot **** test.

Usual suspects: French labs, French media, WADA, UCI, extortionists... have I left anyone out?

Above are the nuts and bolts. It's time to piece this thing together. Where should we start? Any helpful suggestions are appreciated.