Discovery in disarray.... ?



I agree.... for the life of me I cannot understand why DC are going in with seven leaders for the Tour.... by doing that they will all render themselves ineffective and out of the race.... Savo will leave to Lampre... that is a foregone conclusion.... Savo will win the Giro next year and podium in the Tour and we will know that DC really are in disarray....... but to further my point Ullrich alone has had more wins this year than DC as a team ! Fact. Discovery are in disarray !

cyclingheroes said:
Well.... Riis was pretty angry after the TTT because non of the other teams took the TTT serious (that's what Riis said). I don't think the TTT result says anything at all... but i do think DC is in disarray... but for other reasons, it's abig mistake not to give Savoldelli the support he needs... with enough support he COULD (with about 10 other riders..) come on the podium... But it's over, Paolo will leave for Lampre.
 
where's this Savo Lampre rumour from? Forgive me for being stupid :D.

But what a damn good Giro squad they'd be if they had him on board. :O
 
Dead Star said:
where's this Savo Lampre rumour from? Forgive me for being stupid :D.
Several media like for instance the normally very well informed Belgian newspaper sportwereld.be
 
cyclingheroes said:
Several media like for instance the normally very well informed Belgian newspaper sportwereld.be
cyclingnews had it too i think a week or two ago. maybe only a week ago, i've lost track of time a little lately.
 
Has he lost it ? Admitting defeat ? or is he trying to steal the thunder from this year's Tour ! What a ****** ! What an attention grabbing, over-rated attempt and ratings ! Go home Bruyneel its over..... no one wanted to ride for you team including, Landis, Vino and Basso because of the CULTURE you created of underpaying riders and the drug suspicions backed up by former riders being stung. Check out the title "Lance with or without you"... think I'm going to cry and then puke !

Lance, with or without you
An open letter from Johan Bruyneel
Sports Manager, Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team


Thursday, June 22, 2006 Madrid, Spain

Greetings to Cyclingnews readers... We all know that recently there have been some unpleasant happenings in the sport of cycling. But as the 2006 Tour de France gets ready to start, I want to take a moment of your time to talk about the sport that I love, a sport where there are lot of very positive things, and where I see the Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team headed.

But before we look to the future, I want to look a little at the past.

When we started in 1999 as the United States Postal Service Team with Lance we had a dream, a vision - a crazy one by some people's thoughts: to win the biggest bike race in the world, the Tour de France, and to focus our efforts on a rider who was just coming back from a very difficult fight against cancer! But we were very dedicated and committed to this goal, in fact we were thrilled to commit ourselves to something as extremely ambitious as this. We had the desire to not leave anything undone and we were extremely passionate.

And just like many new ventures we were inexperienced in the specifics of the task but we were so highly motivated we didn't really care about our lack of experience; we simply had the conviction to succeed! We had no fear of failure, in fact we liked the challenge, and yes we knew that it was a bit of a crazy challenge but we decided to go for it, and we went for it 100% - the only way really that Lance and I know how to do something.

As I looked back on 1999 I realized we had created an experimental formula, and it worked... we won! And over the years we've fine-tuned and repeated this same formula with some amazing results: seven consecutive Tours de France victories as well as championships in the Vuelta España and the Giro d'Italia.

We created a blueprint, a system, that was focused around building an elite team to support Lance, and even though people came and went, the team always became stronger and stronger as we replaced them and moved forward.

We based this program on the "chemistry" inside the team. In this day of professional sports where so much is often focused on the individual, we instead instilled core values such as the importance of team spirit, a strong work ethic, being passionate about what we do, trusting each other, being proud of being part of the team, the will to suffer for the greater good - and much more...

We learned how to work together for one goal, and we became very good at that. We had a never-ending commitment to act until we succeeded. You'll recall key moments such as Lance in the mist atop Sestrière in 1999, Chechu's selfless assistance for Lance on Luz Ardiden in 2003, the dominance of the team over the years in the Team Time Trial, and George's stunning victory in Stage 15 to St-Lary Soulan last year - all moments defined by selfless sacrifice for the team's one goal: victory on the Champs Elysées!

We learned how to overcome obstacles (and we have had to overcome a lot, 2003 in particular...). We saw that others tried to copy us - but to me that means that you're doing things right - and so we always tried to stay ahead of our competitors and we did this through better training, better technology, and better tactics. But truthfully a lot of times, we turned off our brain and listened to our heart...

It is no surprise to anyone that we have an obsessive attention to details as I believe this is where the difference is made between victory and second place. We know how to deal with pressure, and yes, we learned how to play "cycling poker" as you saw when Lance bluffed everyone in the 2001 Tour before launching his devastating attack on Alpe d'Huez! - and I can go on and on and on...

And so now we're facing the same race we have won seven years in a row. It's clear that we're in a transition period and every change takes time, but we're looking forward to the new challenge and we're extremely motivated! Yes, Lance is gone as a rider for our team, but his spirit and guidance as a leader is definitely still here. And when I look at the list of values that I noted above, they are still there as well. We still have the dream, the vision, and definitely the passion! - and all the other things on my list...

It takes the same amount of effort and time to lose as it does to succeed, so we might as well win! Is it going to be this year, or next year, or the year after? That I don't know... all I can say is that we're going to keep doing what we've been doing all along, and ultimately, we are going to win again.. and that's why I'm so excited and feeling good about the future, even without you, Lance...

And so I thank you, our team fans for your time and more importantly for your support in the past and the years to come, and I want you to know that the team and I truly appreciate it.
 
Bruyneel is in live and Lnace has left him for Jan.
Havent you heard about Lance's recent comment about how he has gone all osft and now really loved Jan.
For sixxle yo.

And now, to quote the Bono song, Bruyneel cant live "With or without you" Get it?
 
whiteboytrash said:
Has he lost it ? Admitting defeat ? or is he trying to steal the thunder from this year's Tour ! What a ****** ! What an attention grabbing, over-rated attempt and ratings ! Go home Bruyneel its over..... no one wanted to ride for you team including, Landis, Vino and Basso because of the CULTURE you created of underpaying riders and the drug suspicions backed up by former riders being stung. Check out the title "Lance with or without you"... think I'm going to cry and then puke !

Lance, with or without you
An open letter from Johan Bruyneel
Sports Manager, Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team


Thursday, June 22, 2006 Madrid, Spain

Greetings to Cyclingnews readers... We all know that recently there have been some unpleasant happenings in the sport of cycling. But as the 2006 Tour de France gets ready to start, I want to take a moment of your time to talk about the sport that I love, a sport where there are lot of very positive things, and where I see the Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team headed.

But before we look to the future, I want to look a little at the past.

When we started in 1999 as the United States Postal Service Team with Lance we had a dream, a vision - a crazy one by some people's thoughts: to win the biggest bike race in the world, the Tour de France, and to focus our efforts on a rider who was just coming back from a very difficult fight against cancer! But we were very dedicated and committed to this goal, in fact we were thrilled to commit ourselves to something as extremely ambitious as this. We had the desire to not leave anything undone and we were extremely passionate.

And just like many new ventures we were inexperienced in the specifics of the task but we were so highly motivated we didn't really care about our lack of experience; we simply had the conviction to succeed! We had no fear of failure, in fact we liked the challenge, and yes we knew that it was a bit of a crazy challenge but we decided to go for it, and we went for it 100% - the only way really that Lance and I know how to do something.

As I looked back on 1999 I realized we had created an experimental formula, and it worked... we won! And over the years we've fine-tuned and repeated this same formula with some amazing results: seven consecutive Tours de France victories as well as championships in the Vuelta España and the Giro d'Italia.

We created a blueprint, a system, that was focused around building an elite team to support Lance, and even though people came and went, the team always became stronger and stronger as we replaced them and moved forward.

We based this program on the "chemistry" inside the team. In this day of professional sports where so much is often focused on the individual, we instead instilled core values such as the importance of team spirit, a strong work ethic, being passionate about what we do, trusting each other, being proud of being part of the team, the will to suffer for the greater good - and much more...

We learned how to work together for one goal, and we became very good at that. We had a never-ending commitment to act until we succeeded. You'll recall key moments such as Lance in the mist atop Sestrière in 1999, Chechu's selfless assistance for Lance on Luz Ardiden in 2003, the dominance of the team over the years in the Team Time Trial, and George's stunning victory in Stage 15 to St-Lary Soulan last year - all moments defined by selfless sacrifice for the team's one goal: victory on the Champs Elysées!

We learned how to overcome obstacles (and we have had to overcome a lot, 2003 in particular...). We saw that others tried to copy us - but to me that means that you're doing things right - and so we always tried to stay ahead of our competitors and we did this through better training, better technology, and better tactics. But truthfully a lot of times, we turned off our brain and listened to our heart...

It is no surprise to anyone that we have an obsessive attention to details as I believe this is where the difference is made between victory and second place. We know how to deal with pressure, and yes, we learned how to play "cycling poker" as you saw when Lance bluffed everyone in the 2001 Tour before launching his devastating attack on Alpe d'Huez! - and I can go on and on and on...

And so now we're facing the same race we have won seven years in a row. It's clear that we're in a transition period and every change takes time, but we're looking forward to the new challenge and we're extremely motivated! Yes, Lance is gone as a rider for our team, but his spirit and guidance as a leader is definitely still here. And when I look at the list of values that I noted above, they are still there as well. We still have the dream, the vision, and definitely the passion! - and all the other things on my list...

It takes the same amount of effort and time to lose as it does to succeed, so we might as well win! Is it going to be this year, or next year, or the year after? That I don't know... all I can say is that we're going to keep doing what we've been doing all along, and ultimately, we are going to win again.. and that's why I'm so excited and feeling good about the future, even without you, Lance...

And so I thank you, our team fans for your time and more importantly for your support in the past and the years to come, and I want you to know that the team and I truly appreciate it.

Bruyneel's lost the plot.
 
limerickman said:
Bruyneel's lost the plot.
Lost the plot...? I think he has taken a bad hit of Belge Pot ! What a fruitcake ! Why would he think that the cyclingnews readers wanted to read his open lovefest letter... ? It really is strange and slightly deluded.... like a letter from a jilted lover.... :confused:
 
whiteboytrash said:
Lost the plot...? I think he has taken a bad hit of Belge Pot ! What a fruitcake ! Why would he think that the cyclingnews reader wanted to read his open lovefest letter... ? It really is strange and slight deluded.... like a letter from a jilted lover.... :confused:

I don't know why Cyclingnews is even indulging this ****, quite frankly.
I can only presume that because Cyclingnews is weighted toward the US market that they have chosen to indulge this baloney.

(I know CN is an Aussie site - but you only have to look at it's letters page to realise that the majority of it's subscribers are from the USA ).
 
limerickman said:
I don't know why Cyclingnews is even indulging this ****, quite frankly.
I can only presume that because Cyclingnews is weighted toward the US market that they have chosen to indulge this baloney.

(I know CN is an Aussie site - but you only have to look at it's letters page to realise that the majority of it's subscribers are from the USA ).
I just hope the other cycling websites are smart enough not to pick it up.... can you imganie if T-Mobile issued a letter like this saying that Jan will only get 2nd because he hasn't trained enough ! ! !
 
whiteboytrash said:
I just hope the other cycling websites are smart enough not to pick it up.... can you imganie if T-Mobile issued a letter like this saying that Jan will only get 2nd because he hasn't trained enough ! ! !
Stealing the limelight away, and maybe he's lost it. This tour is about Jan and Basso mainly (thank god), so why should Bruyneel open his fat mouth with this ****? I want to puke. Even supporters are embarassed!
Maybe cyclingnews get pressured by his lawyers to put up certain things and take out certain things. This coincincides with the velonews open letter. It's sad that he can't accept that his career is over and nobody cares anymore. The link to the wada full statement to the Virgman report has strangely been pulled too.
 
Bruyneel is voicing his true passion and love of the DC cycling team, and what makes the team special. What's wrong with that? I found his letter rather moving.
 
He's going to take alot of ribbing from other DS's in the tour, maybe flowers thrown to his car.
 
He gets a free subscription to cyclingnews if he writes them a letter. So he did. It's one of the benifits of being a celebrity.
 
Hmm, it's hard to see what's the problem with Bruyneel's letter, aside from his appalling abuse of the exclamation point! Plus, I imagine CN would publish an open letter from any other DS.

Personally. I find the fate of DSC in this year's TdF to be a very interesting story: how will these talented riders fare without a unifying plan and leader. Still, it pales against the big dramas that Basso and Ullrich bring to the race, not to mention the other favorites.
 
musette said:
Bruyneel is voicing his true passion and love of the DC cycling team, and what makes the team special. What's wrong with that? I found his letter rather moving.
Exactly, no DS can match his record.
He was the first person to use Lance and winner of TdF in same sentence.
He was a genius to see this and help create the Blue train, change the strategy of the entire race, the preparation etc.
He and Lance revolutionized the field.
He is writing an open letter.
We'll see what happens in the race.

Forza Johan.
 
whiteboytrash said:
I just hope the other cycling websites are smart enough not to pick it up.... can you imganie if T-Mobile issued a letter like this saying that Jan will only get 2nd because he hasn't trained enough ! ! !

My team coach wrote an open letter to cyclingnews to explain why I wouldn't be racing the european tour this year (as a way of keeping the fans informed) and it wasn't even published.

This is blatant favouritism.
 
Just how long are you guys: Lim , WBT, Mitosis, Ullefan etc. going to keep chewing on those sour grapes you've stashed away over the last seven years. I find it amusing how all this LA - Disco stuff really gets under your collective skin. So much emotion! :D
 
davidbod said:
Just how long are you guys: Lim , WBT, Mitosis, Ullefan etc. going to keep chewing on those sour grapes you've stashed away over the last seven years. I find it amusing how all this LA - Disco stuff really gets under your collective skin. So much emotion! :D

I didn't realise anyone was keeping track.

I suppose it will stop when the one-eyed disco supporter starts to give other riders a little credit - could be a while by the sound of his/her ravings.

And because you are easy to poke fun at. :p
 
davidbod said:
I find it amusing how all this LA - Disco stuff really gets under your collective skin.
Pot, meet kettle.
Any criticism of Lance and you, musette etc go berserk. You would think by the way you defend him that he was a very sensitive type and not able to look after himself.