Another day in Bushworld...



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Yes it's true, I must have commandeered someone else's bike...

Laff My Yass Off! :rolleyes:

Here's just one post about this same bike from another thread, (post #35) http://www.cyclingforums.com/t300036.html that I posted on Dec. 1, 2005:

Wurm said:
Welp, I have a Columbus Zona steel frame, and it's really the best handling, best riding frame I've yet owned. I've had very good aluminum and titanium frames such as C'dale, Litespeed, K2, but not carbon yet.

This Zona is very stiff, almost too stiff at the rear, but it doesn't beat me up over longer rides. I have no problems doing metric and full centuries on this frame.

Weight is good - around 19 lbs. for 56cm, with a mostly Chorus group, but not the lightest wheels (1678gm/pr.), brakes (Centaur), saddle (Brooks Swift), or BB (Truvativ GP Team SL) just as examples. It wouldn't be too hard to get this rig to sub-18 lbs., which is very good for a steel bike. Unfortunately, I didn't have a means to weigh just the frame before I assembled it.

I'll probably keep this one for a long time.
I've also posted the full specs for this rig somewhere on CF previous to posting the pix here, but I don't feel like digging for it.

Have any more lame-assed theories? :confused:

Addy has been PM'ed, O Gutless One. Now before you post again, try to be sure your [small] brain is working correctly before engaging your mouth, (which now has your foot in it).
 
Here are the full specs of my above-mentioned rig:

~ Bar Tape: Stella Azzurra, Sunflower Yellow
~ BB: TruVativ GigaPipe Team SL, 108mm x Eng.
~ Bottle Cage: Elite Ciussi Inox Stainless Steel x 2, Specialized Al x 1
~ Brakes: '03 Campagnolo Centaur
~ Cassette: Cycle Dynamics all-Ti 12-24; Veloce 12-23
~ Chain: Record C10
~ Chainrings: FSA Pro Road, 52/38
~ Computer: Cateye Micro Wireless, Model CC-MC100W
~ Crankset: FSA Team Pro Issue, 175mm
~ Fork: Columbus Muscle, 45 deg., 1 1/8", carbon monocoque, 15mm carbon HS spacer
~ Frame Geometry: 56.1cm Top Tube, 40.4cm Chainstay, 98.8cm Wheelbase, 73.0d Head Tube Angle, 73.0d Seat Tube Angle, 81.0cm Stand Over. 195mm fork crown top to stem clamp bottom; 5cm. bar top to saddle top height
~ Frame Tubing: Columbus Zona Megatube steel
~ Front Derailleur: '03 Chorus, braze-on
~ Handlebar: Easton EA70, 44cm. C-to-C
~ Headset: Columbus/FSA Intellaset Pro w. Stainless Steel bearings
~ Lockring: PedalSoft Cirque
~ Pedals: Time RXE
~ Paint: Raleigh Heritage Champagne/Black
~ Rear Derailleur: '03 Chorus, short cage, 10v, w. FiberLyte carbon backplate
~ Rim Tape: Velox, trimmed to cover spoke & valve holes only
~ Saddle: Brooks Swift, Black
~ Seatpost: Kalloy Guizzo Carbon, 27.2 x 200mm.
~ Shifters/Brake Levers: '05 Chorus Ergo
~ Skewers: Campagnolo
~ Stem: Oval Concepts R700, 110mm/84d
~ Tires: Vredestein Fortezza Road 23c clincher, gumwall; Fortezza Pro 21c tubular, Vittoria Mastic glue
~ Tubes: Rear: Hutchinson Air Light 700x20/25; Front: Specialized Turbo Road LVS, 700x18/25
~ Wheels: '03 Zonda, 20H G4 front/21H G3 rear; '02 Bora, carbon rim + Al brake track, Boca ceramic bearings, 14H front/16H rear

* Weight as listed: 19.33 lb. w. Zondas & Veloce cassette
 
Wurm said:
Addy has been PM'ed, O Gutless One. Now before you post again, try to be sure your [small] brain is working correctly before engaging your mouth, (which now has your foot in it).
Heard Gore Vidal's latest interview :confused: He states, correctly, that a Constitutional Amendment must be passed to recall an incompetent President. Makes a hell of a lot of sense to me as this one keeps committing one blunder/crime after another. He (BushCo.) could get us all killed w/ their crudely constructed schemes to enrich themselves & the 400 or so billionaires in this sinking Republic. I, as Vidal, mourne the collapse of our Republic due to BushCo.'s casual recklessness/endangerment (incompetence) :( :mad:
 
I will say that Bu$hCo is the worst thing to happen to this country internally since the Civil War. I would not say that they're incompetent, and I hope people will stop using that term to describe these thugs.

Bush Is Not Incompetent

by George Lakoff, Sam Ferguson, Marc Ettlinger

(c)The Rockridge Institute, 2006 (We invite the free distribution of this piece)

Progressives have fallen into a trap. Emboldened by President Bush’s plummeting approval ratings, progressives increasingly point to Bush's "failures" and label him and his administration as incompetent. For example, Nancy Pelosi said “The situation in Iraq and the reckless economic policies in the United States speak to one issue for me, and that is the competence of our leader." Self-satisfying as this criticism may be, it misses the bigger point. Bush’s disasters — Katrina, the Iraq War, the budget deficit — are not so much a testament to his incompetence or a failure of execution. Rather, they are the natural, even inevitable result of his conservative governing philosophy. It is conservatism itself, carried out according to plan, that is at fault. Bush will not be running again, but other conservatives will. His governing philosophy is theirs as well. We should be putting the onus where it belongs, on all conservative office holders and candidates who would lead us off the same cliff.

To Bush’s base, his bumbling folksiness is part of his charm — it fosters conservative populism. Bush plays up this image by proudly stating his lack of interest in reading and current events, his fondness for naps and vacations and his self-deprecating jokes. This image causes the opposition to underestimate his capacities — disregarding him as a complete idiot — and deflects criticism of his conservative allies. If incompetence is the problem, it’s all about Bush. But, if conservatism is the problem, it is about a set of ideas, a movement and its many adherents.

The idea that Bush is incompetent is a curious one. Consider the following (incomplete) list of major initiatives the Bush administration, with a loyal conservative Congress, has accomplished:
  • Centralizing power within the executive branch to an unprecedented degree
  • Starting two major wars, one started with questionable intelligence and in a manner with which the military disagreed
  • Placing on the Supreme Court two far-right justices, and stacking the lower federal courts with many more
  • Cutting taxes during wartime, an unprecedented event
  • Passing a number of controversial bills such as the PATRIOT Act, the No Child Left Behind Act, the Medicare Drug bill, the Bankruptcy bill and a number of massive tax cuts
  • Rolling back and refusing to enforce a host of basic regulatory protections
  • Appointing industry officials to oversee regulatory agencies
  • Establishing a greater role for religion through faith-based initiatives
  • Passing Orwellian-titled legislation assaulting the environment — “The Healthy Forests Act” and the “Clear Skies Initiative” — to deforest public lands, and put more pollution in our skies
  • Winning re-election and solidifying his party’s grip on Congress
These aren’t signs of incompetence. As should be painfully clear, the Bush administration has been overwhelmingly competent in advancing its conservative vision. It has been all too effective in achieving its goals by determinedly pursuing a conservative philosophy.

It’s not Bush the man who has been so harmful, it’s the conservative agenda.

The Conservative Agenda

Conservative philosophy has three fundamental tenets: individual initiative, that is, government’s positive role in people’s lives outside of the military and police should be minimized; the President is the moral authority; and free markets are enough to foster freedom and opportunity.

The conservative vision for government is to shrink it – to “starve the beast” in Conservative Grover Norquist’s words. The conservative tagline for this rationale is that “you can spend your money better than the government can.” Social programs are considered unnecessary or “discretionary” since the primary role of government is to defend the country’s border and police its interior. Stewardship of the commons, such as allocation of healthcare or energy policy, is left to people’s own initiative within the free market. Where profits cannot be made — conservation, healthcare for the poor — charity is meant to replace justice and the government should not be involved.

Given this philosophy, then, is it any wonder that the government wasn’t there for the residents of Louisiana and Mississippi in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina? Conservative philosophy places emphasis on the individual acting alone, independent of anything the government could provide. Some conservative Sunday morning talk show guests suggested that those who chose to live in New Orleans accepted the risk of a devastating hurricane, the implication being that they thus forfeited any entitlement to government assistance. If the people of New Orleans suffered, it was because of their own actions, their own choices and their own lack of preparedness. Bush couldn’t have failed if he bore no responsibility.

The response to Hurricane Katrina — rather, the lack of response — was what one should expect from a philosophy that espouses that the government can have no positive role in its citizen’s lives. This response was not about Bush’s incompetence, it was a conservative, shrink-government response to a natural disaster.

Another failure of this administration during the Katrina fiasco was its wholesale disregard of the numerous and serious hurricane warnings. But this failure was a natural outgrowth of the conservative insistence on denying the validity of global warming, not ineptitude. Conservatives continue to deny the validity of global warming, because it runs contrary to their moral system. Recognizing global warming would call for environmental regulation and governmental efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Regulation is a perceived interference with the free-market, Conservatives’ golden calf. So, the predictions of imminent hurricanes — based on recognizing global warming — were not heeded. Conservative free market convictions trumped the hurricane warnings.

Our budget deficit is not the result of incompetent fiscal management. It too is an outgrowth of conservative philosophy. What better way than massive deficits to rid social programs of their funding?

In Iraq, we also see the impact of philosophy as much as a failure of execution.

The idea for the war itself was born out of deep conservative convictions about the nature and capacity of US military force. Among the Project for a New American Century’s statement of principles (signed in 1997 by a who’s who of the architects of the Iraq war — **** Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby among others) are four critical points:
  • we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future
  • we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values
  • we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad
  • we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
Implicit in these ideas is that the United States military can spread democracy through the barrel of a gun. Our military might and power can be a force for good.

It also indicates that the real motive behind the Iraq war wasn’t to stop Iraq’s pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, but was a test of neoconservative theory that the US military could reshape Middle East geo-politics. The manipulation and disregard of intelligence to sell the war was not incompetence, it was the product of a conservative agenda.

Unfortunately, this theory exalts a hubristic vision over the lessons of history. It neglects the realization that there is a limit to a foreign army’s ability to shape foreign politics for the good. Our military involvement in Vietnam, Lebanon, the Philippines, Cuba (prior to Castro) and Panama, or European imperialist endeavors around the globe should have taught us this lesson. Democracy needs to be an organic, homegrown movement, as it was in this country. If we believe so deeply in our ideals, they will speak for themselves and inspire others.

During the debate over Iraq, the conservative belief in the unquestioned authority and moral leadership of the President helped shape public support. We see this deference to the President constantly: when Conservatives call those questioning the President’s military decisions “unpatriotic”; when Conservatives defend the executive branch’s use of domestic spying in the war on terror; when Bush simply refers to himself as the “decider.” “I support our President” was a common justification of assent to the Iraq policy.

Additionally, as the implementer of the neoconservative vision and an unquestioned moral authority, our President felt he had no burden to forge international consensus or listen to the critiques of our allies. “You’re with us, or you’re against us,” he proclaimed after 9/11.

Much criticism continues to be launched against this administration for ineptitude in its reconstruction efforts. Tragically, it is here too that the administration’s actions have been shaped less by ineptitude than by deeply held conservative convictions about the role of government.

As noted above, Conservatives believe that government’s role is limited to security and maintaining a free market. Given this conviction, it’s no accident that administration policies have focused almost exclusively on the training of Iraqi police, and US access to the newly free Iraqi market — the invisible hand of the market will take care of the rest. Indeed, George Packer has recently reported that the reconstruction effort in Iraq is nearing its end (“The Lessons of Tal Affar,” The New Yorker, April 10th, 2006). Iraqis must find ways to rebuild themselves, and the free market we have constructed for them is supposed to do this. This is not ineptitude. This is the result of deep convictions over the nature of freedom and the responsibilities of governments to their people.

Finally, many of the miscalculations are the result of a conservative analytic focus on narrow causes and effects, rather than mere incompetence. Evidence for this focus can be seen in conservative domestic policies: Crime policy is based on punishing the criminals, independent of any effort to remedy the larger social issues that cause crime; immigration policy focuses on border issues and the immigrants, and ignores the effects of international and domestic economic policy on population migration; environmental policy is based on what profits there are to be gained or lost today, without attention paid to what the immeasurable long-term costs will be to the shared resource of our environment; education policy, in the form of vouchers, ignores the devastating effects that dismantling the public school system will have on our whole society.

Is it any surprise that the systemic impacts of the Iraq invasion were not part of the conservative moral or strategic calculus used in pursuing the war?

The conservative war rhetoric focused narrowly on ousting Saddam — he was an evil dictator, and evil cannot be tolerated, period. The moral implications of unleashing social chaos and collateral damage in addition to the lessons of history were not relevant concerns.

As a consequence, we expected to be greeted as liberators. The conservative plan failed to appreciate the complexities of the situation that would have called for broader contingency planning. It lacked an analysis of what else would happen in Iraq and the Middle East as a result of ousting the Hussein Government, such as an Iranian push to obtain nuclear weapons.

Joe Biden recently said, “if I had known the president was going to be this incompetent in his administration, I would not have given him the authority [to go to war].” Had Bush actually been incompetent, he would have never been able to lead us to war in Iraq. Had Bush been incompetent, he would not have been able to ram through hundreds of billions of dollars in tax cuts. Had Bush been incompetent, he would have been blocked from stacking the courts with right-wing judges. Incompetence, on reflection, might have actually been better for the country.

Hidden Successes

Perhaps the biggest irony of the Bush-is-incompetent frame is that these “failures” — Iraq, Katrina and the budget deficit — have been successes in terms of advancing the conservative agenda.

One of the goals of Conservatives is to keep people from relying on the federal government. Under Bush, FEMA was reorganized to no longer be a first responder in major natural disasters, but to provide support for local agencies. This led to the disastrous response to Hurricane Katrina. Now citizens, as well as local and state governments, have become distrustful of the federal government’s capacity to help ordinary citizens. Though Bush’s popularity may have suffered, enhancing the perception of federal government as inept turned out to be a conservative victory.

Conservatives also strive to get rid of protective agencies and social programs. The deficit Bush created through irresponsible tax cuts and a costly war in Iraq will require drastic budget cuts to remedy. Those cuts, conservatives know, won’t come from military spending, particularly when they raise the constant specter of war. Instead, the cuts will be from what Conservatives have begun to call “non-military, discretionary spending;” that is, the programs that contribute to the common good like the FDA, EPA, FCC, FEMA, OSHA and the NLRB. Yet another success for the conservative agenda.

Both Iraq and Katrina have enriched the coffers of the conservative corporate elite, thus further advancing the conservative agenda. Halliburton, Lockhead Martin and US oil companies have enjoyed huge profit margins in the last six years. Taking Iraq’s oil production off-line in the face of rising international demand meant prices would rise, making the oil inventories of Exxon and other firms that much more valuable, leading to record profits. The destruction wrought by Katrina and Iraq meant billions in reconstruction contracts. The war in Iraq (and the war in Afghanistan) meant billions in military equipment contracts. Was there any doubt where those contracts would go? Chalk up another success for Bush’s conservative agenda.

Bush also used Katrina as an opportunity to suspend the environmental and labor protection laws that Conservatives despise so much. In the wake of Katrina, environmental standards for oil refineries were temporarily suspended to increase production. Labor laws are being thwarted to drive down the cost of reconstruction efforts. So, amidst these “disasters,” Conservatives win again.

Where most Americans see failure in Iraq – George Miller recently called Iraq a “blunder of historic proportions” – conservative militarists are seeing many successes. Conservatives stress the importance of our military — our national pride and worth is expressed through its power and influence. Permanent bases are being constructed as planned in Iraq, and America has shown the rest of the world that we can and will preemptively strike with little provocation. They succeeded in a mobilization of our military forces based on ideological pretenses to impact foreign policy. The war has struck fear in other nations with a hostile show of American power. The conservatives have succeeded in strengthening what they perceive to be the locus of the national interest —military power.

It’s NOT Incompetence

When Progressives shout “Incompetence!” it obscures the many conservative successes. The incompetence frame drastically misses the point, that the conservative vision is doing great harm to this country and the world. An understanding of this and an articulate progressive response is needed. Progressives know that government can and should have a positive role in our lives beyond simple, physical security. It had a positive impact during the progressive era, busting trusts, and establishing basic labor standards. It had a positive impact during the new deal, softening the blow of the depression by creating jobs and stimulating the economy. It had a positive role in advancing the civil rights movement, extending rights to previously disenfranchised groups. And the United States can have a positive role in world affairs without the use of its military and expressions of raw power. Progressives acknowledge that we are all in this together, with “we” meaning all people, across all spectrums of race, class, religion, sex, sexual preference and age. “We” also means across party lines, state lines and international borders.

The mantra of incompetence has been an unfortunate one. The incompetence frame assumes that there was a sound plan, and that the trouble has been in the execution. It turns public debate into a referendum on Bush’s management capabilities, and deflects a critique of the impact of his guiding philosophy. It also leaves open the possibility that voters will opt for another radically conservative president in 2008, so long as he or she can manage better. Bush will not be running again, so thinking, talking and joking about him being incompetent offers no lessons to draw from his presidency.

Incompetence obscures the real issue. Bush’s conservative philosophy is what has damaged this country and it is his philosophy of conservatism that must be rejected, whoever endorses it.

Conservatism itself is the villain that is harming our people, destroying our environment, and weakening our nation. Conservatives are undermining American values through legislation almost every day. This message applies to every conservative bill proposed to Congress. The issue that arises every day is which philosophy of governing should shape our country. It is the issue of our times. Unless conservative philosophy itself is discredited, Conservatives will continue their domination of public discourse, and with it, will continue their domination of politics.
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Wurm said:
I will say that Bu$hCo is the worst thing to happen to this country internally since the Civil War. I would not say that they're incompetent, and I hope people will stop using that term to describe these thugs.

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ok. he's not incompetent, he's evil.
 
Long story, but this my response to the allegations [lies, half-truths] posted here about me by "2FAST4U", and on other sites by Bike Forums member "Nessism". This concerns a deal that Nessism and I did last year on another site, RoadBikeReview:

I had lost all e-mails, addresses, & passwords from a HD crash, and also had in the meantime been kicked from RBR for arguing politics with another member, so I had no way to contact Nessism to finish paying him for a bike part. (This was long before I knew he was also on Bike Forums.) I had already paid him 1/3 of the agreed price, and our agreement was that I was going to pay the rest over time because I'd had some nasty divorce/financial problems.

Before I could contact him again, he jumped to conclusions that I was trying to stiff him, since he hadn't heard from me in some time. Meanwhile he posted a very one-sided story about the deal on RBR, to which I was not able to reply since I could not post there again.

Nessism also posted my actual personal info in those posts - such as real name, home address & phone # - instead of posting just my website username.

When I was finally able to reach him through BF, I explained the loss of contact info, etc., and told him I had no problem paying the balance if he would not post my personal info all over the web, so that some lunatic couldn't use it to do who knows what. (I have a 6-year-old daughter, a significant other, and the house we live in to consider.)

Well, Nessism decided that that was the best way to try to force me to pay him the balance on the item. I had no disagreement with paying him, and at one point offered to give him back the item, BUT I was not going to be publically slandered or blackmailed by anyone in that manner - nor was I going to reward him for selfishly putting my family & home in potential danger.

Nessism continually refused to delete the personal/private info, after repeated offers to finish paying him for the item.

By then the damage had been done, as I've explained to Nessism several times. So it would not matter if he were now to remove the old posts and make a public apology. My personal info has been splattered all over cyberspace for any criminal to see and use, thanks to Nessism's ignorant assumptions, anger, and callous disregard for even the safety of young children.

He still has in his signature on BF a link to that same thread on RBR, so as to continue his blackmail, which is why - after I saw his sig on BF - I have a reference to his behavior in my BF sig.

Evidently, Nessism likes to trash others in public forums, but gets quite angry when the truth is told about him in a similar way. Here is his latest harrassing PM to me on BF dated 5-29-06, which was a surprise since I've had no contact with him for many months:

Nessism said:
Nice signature you low life!!!

You have no regard for deciency and are a crook!
Since this incident began, I have had several identity theft attempts, and attempts to invade my online financial accounts. I have no way to know what further invasions (or worse) may be in store for myself or family members.

I would caution anyone who asks to steer clear of "Nessism" of Bike Forums, RBR forums, and anandtech.com forums.
 
back to the topic,

today is Chimpy's 60th birthday...

i wish him a long a horrible death...

'Bush is the greatest threat to world peace'

do Bush supporters believe that if Bush wasnt in power then worldwide agression towards the USA would lessen up?
 
Felt_Rider said:

Quite right, until the US Administration actually lives up to their touted multi-cultural tolerant law-abiding peace-loving democracy supporting talk they will continue to be under pressure. Talk is cheap, the very expensive actions by the US Gov. give the lie to the cheap talk.
 
Not to stick up for Wurm here, God forbid I ever do that...... But "coming up with a few measly dollars" after a divorce can be very true. I know. I went thru the same thing.
I had to unblock Wurm to read his comments here, because this thread is getting interesting, but I do know that moderators have banned people who they disagree with. I disagree with everything Wurm says, but I never would want him banned. "Blocked" from my personal site, but never "banned."
If he was banned and the scenerio happened as he has said, then it is really likely that it could have happened the way he said it did. At least he is not blaming Bush.
We should be thankful for Wurms anger towards Bush. It could be worse. He could have discovered Jesus and we would have endless threads quoting scripture.

I now understand Wurm. He has always seemed very angry to me. But divorce will do that to you.
 
Wurm said:
I will say that Bu$hCo is the worst thing to happen to this country internally since the Civil War. I would not say that they're incompetent, and I hope people will stop using that term to describe these thugs.

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I'm glad you posted this ...It reinforces my conservative beliefs.
 
your beliefs are on forum record as being anything but conservative in any strict sense, due to your apologetic support for the big gov't, big spying, big military, big privelege, big spending, big misinformation, big nat'l debt, big natural resource squandering, invasive foreign and domestic policies that are being foisted on the gullible as "conservative".

to reinforce these misguided allegiences, you obviously must need every last desperate scrap you can get...



wolfix said:
I'm glad you posted this ...It reinforces my conservative beliefs.
 
Hypnospin said:
your beliefs are on forum record as being anything but conservative in any strict sense, due to your apologetic support for the big gov't, big spying, big military, big privelege, big spending, big misinformation, big nat'l debt, big natural resource squandering, invasive foreign and domestic policies that are being foisted on the gullible as "conservative".

to reinforce these misguided allegiences, you obviously must need every last desperate scrap you can get...
Typical liberal. You need to go back and point out where I have defended the big money spending. I will agree that I am not happy with many of the things Bush has done, but I look at the alternative..Kerry.

I like how the article covered Katrina.
We are having floods in the midwest area right now....Devastating floods. But nowhere on the news do we have people crying it's the governements fault. We had the earthquake in San Fransico several years ago . I do not remember the people on TV all the time crying "Where is the government?"
And yet, the Katrina mess showed us exactly what government programs have produced as far as people taking responsibility for themselves.

Liberals love to point out how gullible "conservatives" are. And yet you guys always repeat the same mantra over and over.
The liberals believe that if they repeat the same thing over and over, that it will become truth. But they convince so few people as the elections have proven. They print bumper stickers, they give "coffee house" speeches, they have their rants in the streets carrying signs..... But they have no answers.
 
2Fast4U and Wurm : Your debate has been removed from this thread.

2Fast4U : I am asking you to desist from attempting to post personal information about another poster here.
 
limerickman said:
2Fast4U and Wurm : Your debate has been removed from this thread.

2Fast4U : I am asking you to desist from attempting to post personal information about another poster here.
Limerickman, if you read my post you would have seen that I was telling WURMY to STOP posting his own personal information on this forum, further I posted that I was stepping out of the debate for he was posting his own personal info here and gave him some advice. How about asking Wurm to stop posting his own information instead of asking me to stop doing something I...well... didn't do! Unless you consider the info I posted that was published on another site concerning the banned poster "wurm" which stated that he owed money for the fork on his ride...

Anyway, while we are asking for stuff, how about asking wurmy to stop cursing, I find his language very offensive....

Thanks

p.s. How come you left that book that wurmy wrote about all his personal information up on this thread? Shouldn't the word "moderated" be there instead of his life story?


I'll be awaiting your reply. Thanks again, your friend 2fast.
 
It is utterly amazing how you so-called "conservatives" distort everything that you try to describe. Out of every 10 words I've seen you post, about 8 of them are lies. All I can conclude is that it's apparently endemic to your breed.

2F, you are the one who posted inflammatory things on this thread first. I responded to what you said in like fashion. It's that simple.

It was also you who wished to further the trash here that your pal Nessism has done on other sites as I've pointed out. You brought that issue in right out of the blue, not I.

So why don't you shut up and go ride yer bike or something?

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wolfux, comparing your recent Midwestern floods, (or our recent Northeastern floods), or Frisco earthquakes to Katrina is like comparing you or I to Eddy Merckx. The loss of life, displacement of humanity, and property destruction was orders of magnitude larger with Katrina, while at the same time the impotent and criminally negligent gov't response was inversely proportional. So please, give the revisionism a break.

As for post #33: your inductive reasoning and psychoanalytical skills need much improvement. :shakeshead: :rolleyes:
 
Wurm said:
...comparing your recent Midwestern floods, (or our recent Northeastern floods), or Frisco earthquakes to Katrina is like comparing you or I to Eddy Merckx. The loss of life, displacement of humanity, and property destruction was orders of magnitude larger with Katrina, while at the same time the impotent and criminally negligent gov't response was inversely proportional. So please, give the revisionism a break.
I believe you are quite right here. Katrina has few if any equals in recent history.
 
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