4x4

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Who here drives a 4x4?

I do, a 30 year old Range Rover in a continuous state of
restoration.

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And out of those that do, who uses it off-road?

About once a month, as part of a voluntary woodland
management group in Leeds.

Nick

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About once a month, as part of a voluntary woodland
management group in

Leeds.

Why can't the wood manage itself? How are you managing it?
For the benefits of wildlife? For the benefits of easy
access for people? For timber? Just asking because several
areas I see regularly have been semi cleared of trees and
undergrowth recently (ranging from churchyard, to
cycletrack, to pretty large wood managed by a wildlife
trust) and I can't see what the benefits are.

Off to the hills for a week now but if you could spare the
time to tell me your management strategy I'll read it with
interest when I get back. Ta.

Oh and no 4x4.

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Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

Hello Paul, another Mills bomb in the Elsan, I see <g>.
Never mind, I'll play, did anyone see this on Saturday?

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Who here drives a 4x4?

I do. I think a good 4 x 4 is a safer bet than all those
dreadful front wheel drive cars that the modern driver has
been brainwashed into thinking are the bees knees. :-)

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And out of those that do, who uses it off-road?

Not if I can avoid it. Lack of ground clearance is a major
problem and road tyres give very limited grip off road.

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Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

Hello Paul, another Mills bomb in the Elsan, I see <g>.
Never mind, I'll play, did anyone see this on Saturday?

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Regards, Nick.

I saw that. I'm thinking of getting a 4x4 but I can't
decide which one
- there are so many of them! I do a modest amount of walking
too, so I can see both sides of the argument. I suspect
most owners don't ever stray off the road in them, and I
might not venture very far into the wilderness myself, but
it would be nice to have something that wasn't going to
get stuck every time the tarmac ended.

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Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

I shouldn't answer questions which have a hidden agenda
*but* why on earth would I want a 4x4, I'm not female and my
children walk to school. Posers, most of them in my view-
but worse than BMW drivers? Oh you've got me there.......

KRO

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Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

I shouldn't answer questions which have a hidden agenda
*but* why on earth would I want a 4x4, I'm not female and
my children walk to school. Posers, most of them in my view-
but worse than BMW drivers? Oh you've got me there.......

KRO

Ha ha! In fact, one of our most eminent regulars drives a
Beemer, and I might very well drive one if I had the dosh.
Why would someone want a 4x4? I think the answer has
something to do with not slipping off the road, being able
to tackle rather more than the average car can manage, and
yes - image comes into it I suppose. I've lost count of the
number of times I've smacked the underneath of my car on
bumps. I also fancy something with a bit more view - a nice
high driving position. Also something that can cope with my
mud and my family's horse mess. And long enough to sleep in.
I'm currently restricted to sleeping in lay bys or on grass
verges etc. It would be good to get a bit further afield.

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Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who
uses it off-road?

I shouldn't answer questions which have a hidden agenda
*but* why on earth would I want a 4x4, I'm not female and
my children walk to school. Posers, most of them in my view-
but worse than BMW drivers?

Well, that used to be my view. I have a company car which is
changed every 3 months and last year in between model
changes my saloon car that I usually had wasn't available.
So I had a 4x4. It was very pleasant to drive, the seats
were excellent, you could come back from a 350 mile day and
your back would be fine.

The high seating position gives you a great view, excellent
for overtaking on country lanes. You get a vehicle with
plenty of boot space but doesn't look like a hearse (estate
car) and it was great to put the dogs in the back, as they
would just lay down, unlike in the saloon where they want to
put their heads out of the window or want to join me in the
front of the car.

Also people tend to back off and give a bit of space when
driving a 4x4, must be like driving a Volvo. The downside is
the fuel consuption which can be very heavy, especially on
the motorway as they have the aerodynamics of a brick.

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I saw that. I'm thinking of getting a 4x4 but I can't
decide which one
- there are so many of them! I do a modest amount of
walking too, so I can see both sides of the argument. I
suspect most owners don't ever stray off the road in
them, and I might not venture very far into the
wilderness myself, but it would be nice to have
something that wasn't going to get stuck every time the
tarmac ended.

[...]

I've spent a fair amount of time in the last few years
driving 4WDs off-road, around quarries and landfills. At
present I'm using an old MOT-failed diesel 35-cwt van for
this purpose, because we've run out of 4WDs. So, just at the
moment, it's site roads only.

A few years ago we made a terrible mistake in thinking
that it was possible to use yuppie-jeeps (as represented
by the Frontera, in this case) to do two quite different
jobs; on the road, as a normal company car and off the
road, as a site vehicle. What we very rapidly discovered
was that the Frontera is just not robust enough to cope
with this. I guess the same would apply to a fair number
of similar vehicles.

We also had a Shogun on the strength that used to suffer
from repeated problems with front drive shafts and every
time we took it back to the garage they used to say 'what do
you expect, you've been driving it off-road'.

For me, the lesson here is that if you intend to use a
vehicle off-road, get something designed and built to be
used off-road. That's a Land Rover, or something similar. My
old UMM would go anywhere and was as tough as old boots, but
creature comfort was not a major design consideration, I
think. Damn, writing this has just reminded me about the
Pampas. I do not wish to be reminded about the Pampas!

Regards, Nick.

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How do you define "Off Road"

Off Tarmac, therefore on a vehicular right of way or as in,
ie, on a pay & play site, in a farmers field etc?

Ltwt

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:03:58 +0100, Nick Hopton
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

Hello Paul, another Mills bomb in the Elsan, I see <g>.
Never mind, I'll play, did anyone see this on Saturday?

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I saw that. I'm thinking of getting a 4x4, and I might not
venture very far into the wilderness myself, but it would
be nice to have something that wasn't going to get stuck
every time the tarmac ended.

Pish. The man does talk nonsense! I have driven hundreds of
km off tarmac in an ordinary front wheel drive 2x4. The
trick is knowing the limitations of your vehicle.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
"Westminster Gasworks"

(Ltwt) said:

How do you define "Off Road"

Tracks, trails, unsurfaced lanes, fields, the shore - all
sorts, really. Boggy campsites. Open fellside. Fields.

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Paul Rooney said:

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:03:58 +0100, Nick Hopton
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who
>uses it off-road?

Hello Paul, another Mills bomb in the Elsan, I see <g>.
Never mind, I'll play, did anyone see this on Saturday?

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Quoted message said:

I saw that. I'm thinking of getting a 4x4, and I might not
venture very far into the wilderness myself, but it would
be nice to have something that wasn't going to get stuck
every time the tarmac ended.

Pish. The man does talk nonsense! I have driven hundreds of
km off tarmac in an ordinary front wheel drive 2x4. The
trick is knowing the limitations of your vehicle.

Mine's very limited - very little ground clearance.

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Pish. The man does talk nonsense! I have driven hundreds of
km off tarmac in an ordinary front wheel drive 2x4. The
trick is knowing the limitations of your vehicle.

........................and have the right tyres!

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Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

Me but a very small one (Suzuki Jimny). I use it off-road
quite legally about once every month in the summer, using
BOATs and RUPPs to get to a start of a walk.
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In a recent message
<[email hidden]>, Paul Rooney
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Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

Hello Paul, another Mills bomb in the Elsan, I see <g>.
Never mind, I'll play, did anyone see this on Saturday?

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Regards, Nick.

In the Guardian! Oh dear me no, one does NOT read the
Guardian.

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Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

I have a Range Rover (and a trail bike) and I use them
both off road whenever i can.

Dom J

Chris Morriss said:

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Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> writes

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Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

Me but a very small one (Suzuki Jimny). I use it off-road
quite legally about once every month in the summer, using
BOATs and RUPPs to get to a start of a walk.

Just been looking at them in the mag - they look like they
do the business. Bit small for us though.

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Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> writes

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Chris Morriss said:

In message <[email hidden]>,
Paul Rooney <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Who here drives a 4x4? And out of those that do, who uses
it off-road?

Me but a very small one (Suzuki Jimny). I use it off-road
quite legally about once every month in the summer, using
BOATs and RUPPs to get to a start of a walk.

Just been looking at them in the mag - they look like they
do the business. Bit small for us though.

Hi Paul, (if you forgive me the comments about your
hair/headgear in another thread!)

They are an excellent small 4x4, and give me about 38mpg on
the road. They have the advantage that they are light with
good ground clearance, and they don't tear up the track like
some 2000kg monster does.

On the other hand, the high-revving petrol engine isn't
ideal for the really tough stuff, and they can be a drag if
you have to do a long road journey in them. MUCH better than
the old SJs of course as the Jimny has decent
leading/trailing arm suspension with coil springs.

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Chris Morriss