to Jan

Kim, Forget it, This is the result of these idiots picking
at this woman for years, tearing apart everything she says,
picking at every word in the hope to make their poor
insecure souls feel better.

I do not agree with most of Jan's stuff but her, and her
disciples, on killfilter makes this a decent group until YOU
came along and tried to once again solve this. You have
become a troll. Let it go.

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0K-dndFzbOh-
[email hidden]...

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"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040310010633.25804.00001181@mb-
m01.aol.com...

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====================

Now, you are beginning to catch on. Problem is, Rich is
obsessed and can not help himsellf. He lives on this

ng to

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yack about Jan annd as proven is a pattern long before
me, and you are

correct,

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he has driven many off. He has FAILED to do so with me,
that's why he is

so out

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of control.

Jan, the constant bickering and accusations of who is an
isn't lying is

what

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will drive most people away from this NG. When people stop
in or come

here

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for information I think their questions should be answered
before they're besieged with posts of who is an isn't
lying - and religion really has no place here. There are
religious NG to discuss one religious beliefs. It seems
the subject of religion keeps coming up in every other
thread here.

I

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myself feel drawn into these religious discussions and
that's not why I'm here.

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Well she's already accused me of being a liar

I only call people liars when they LIE.

No matter what anyone says here YOU call them a liar. You
turn them off before they even know what this NG is all
about or get to know many of the posters. What is your
motive? Do you only want people here who agree

with

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what YOU believe and never question anything? What's the
harm in asking what the parasites name is or what type of
tests were done to find it?

*Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
personal conflicts

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between

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>the posters here. I'm simply looking for answers.*

Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

Right - so stop

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As we see, this was and is a lie.

But everything to YOU is a lie.

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Jan

Kim

Kim said:

What is your motive? Do you only want people here who
agree with what YOU believe and never question anything?

Bingo!! Give this lady a cupie doll.

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What's the harm in asking what the parasites name is or
what type of tests were done to find it?

Jan realizes that if she answers it then the "jig is up".
Little does Jan realize that her jig was up from day 1.

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*Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any personal
conflicts

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between

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>the posters here. I'm simply looking for answers.*

Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

Right - so stop

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As we see, this was and is a lie.

But everything to YOU is a lie.

Not everything. Just most everything that she personally
disagrees with. And then if you are a liar(according to
Jan's definition) it is likely in Jan's mind that you are an
atheist or a Jew. But she does not have anything against
atheist or Jews. Jan cannot help it if every atheist and Jew
(except her buddy Ilena who gets an exemption) is a liar and
filled with hatred. They could only aspire to the love that
Jan Drew shows in most of her posts.

Aloha,

Rich

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Jan

Kim

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

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Subject: to Jan
From: "Kim" [email hidden]
Date: 3/11/2004 3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040310010633.25804.00001181@mb-
m01.aol.com...

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====================

Now, you are beginning to catch on. Problem is, Rich is
obsessed and can not help himsellf. He lives on this

ng to

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yack about Jan annd as proven is a pattern long before
me, and you are

correct,

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he has driven many off. He has FAILED to do so with me,
that's why he is

so out

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of control.

Jan, the constant bickering and accusations of who is
an isn't lying is what will drive most people away
from this NG

Wrong, the lying has gone on for years.

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When people stop in or come here for information I think
their questions should be answered

Kim,

You aren't fooling anyone, Rich has tried ever since I quit
replying to him to get it all going again. He is obsessed,
it is clear.

<snip>

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*Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any personal
conflicts

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between

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>the posters here. I'm simply looking for answers.*

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Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

L Y I N G

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Right - so stop

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As we see, this was and is a lie.

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But everything to YOU is a lie.

W R O N G.

Stoppwith the excuses, you lied, period.

Jan

(Jan) said:

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Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004
3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <0K-dndFzbOh-
[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040310010633.25804.00001181@mb-
m01.aol.com...

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>====================
Now, you are beginning to catch on. Problem is, Rich is
obsessed and can not help himsellf. He lives on this

ng to

Quoted message said:

yack about Jan annd as proven is a pattern long before
me, and you are

correct,

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he has driven many off. He has FAILED to do so with me,
that's why he is

so out

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of control.

Jan, the constant bickering and accusations of who is
an isn't lying is what will drive most people away
from this NG

Wrong, the lying has gone on for years.

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When people stop in or come here for information I think
their questions should be answered

Kim,

You aren't fooling anyone, Rich has tried ever since I quit
replying to him to get it all going again. He is obsessed,
it is clear.

<snip>

I see it coming. Jan is going to accuse Kim of being me.
Just watch. Or Jan will accuse Kim of knowing me and being
planted here to get information from Jan.

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Stoppwith the excuses, you lied, period.

"Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou seest
not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest the beam
out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see clearly to cast the
mote from thy brother's eye."

Aloha,

Rich

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Jan

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X-No-Archive: yes

"Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UcidneBvTMqzZs3dRVn-
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Kim, Forget it, This is the result of these idiots picking
at this woman

for

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years, tearing apart everything she says, picking at every
word in the

hope

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to make their poor insecure souls feel better.

They don't come across as insecure to me. Nor does Ms Jan. I
haven't been here long enough to know *what* she's posting
that other's are picking apart. If she's posting things that
can harm others or possibly cost them their long term health
or lives then perhaps it should be questioned. Do you agree?
Or do you feel anything should be fair game to be posted
here? Where do YOU stand on this?

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I do not agree with most of Jan's stuff but her,

I don't agree with her beliefs that a magic zapper exists
that kills non-existent parasites that cause all disease.
Are we not supposed to question such things here?

and her disciples, on

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killfilter makes this a decent group until YOU came along
and tried to

once

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again solve this. You have become a troll. Let it go.

Then just KILLFILE me if I'm making this an INDECENT group.
What's your problem?

Kim

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden]

Jan, the constant bickering and accusations of who is an
isn't lying is

what

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will drive most people away from this NG

=====================================

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Wrong, the lying has gone on for years.

WHAT LIES? Concerning what and who? Just you and the few
other's here? I'm sure 99.99% of new people here don't care
what transpired between you and them in the past.

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When people stop in or come here for information I think
their questions should be answered

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You aren't fooling anyone, Rich has tried ever since I
quit replying to

him to

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get it all going again. He is obsessed, it is clear.

Get WHAT all going again? Why would newbies here care? Can't
you understand what I'm saying? IGNORE others you don't
agree with and move on..... there is so much to discuss in
the field of health. Or if you find you cannot ignore them
then answer their questions as honestly as you can
(providing proof if you have it) and move on. As for your
fillings and your parasite problems - post copies of the lab
reports for us all to see. Why is that so impossible when
everyone has a scanner today? You can buy a decent scanner
for under $50 when on sale.

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Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

L Y I N G

WHAT LYING?

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Stoppwith the excuses, you lied, period.

What lie? You mean asking questions is lying? I never said I
would NOT ask questions here or give my opinion on what I
read here. Don't misread what suits your agenda into my
posts. It makes you look foolish and dishonest. It appears
you have some serious issues Jan.

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Jan

Kim

Kim said:

I don't agree with her beliefs that a magic zapper exists

Cue Jan to call Kim a liar because she never used the word
"magic". Just watch.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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"Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou seest
not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest the beam
out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see clearly to cast
the mote from thy brother's eye."

===========================
Amen! If THIS doesn't fit the situation I don't know
what does!

Kim

Kim said:

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040311211248.19517.00001296@mb-
m16.aol.com...

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Quoted message said:

Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden]

Jan, the constant bickering and accusations of who is an
isn't lying is

what

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will drive most people away from this NG

=====================================

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Wrong, the lying has gone on for years.

WHAT LIES? Concerning what and who?

I was always told never ask a question that you don't want
the answer to. Jan will likely now post completely out of
context quotes from years ago that you won't have a clue how
to interpret. She will do so to demonize her perceived
enemies. She collects quotes and then uses them against
people. She has already started with you.

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Just you and the few other's here?

Mostly the Jews and the atheists.

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I'm sure 99.99% of new people here don't care what
transpired between you and them in the past.

But Jan wants them to care. Actually she just wants to
disrupt communication here.

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When people stop in or come here for information I think
their questions should be answered

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You aren't fooling anyone, Rich has tried ever since I
quit replying to

him to

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get it all going again. He is obsessed, it is clear.

Get WHAT all going again?

Jan is worried about having all her claims debunked. She
likely makes them up which is why her stories keep changing.
She has wised up enough to know not to give any details
about her history. Oh, what a tangled web we weave when
first we practice to deceive.

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Why would newbies here care?

She will accuse you of not really being a newbie but a
plant.

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Can't you understand what I'm saying?

This question is rhetorical as the answer obvious.

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IGNORE others you don't agree with and move on..... there
is so much to discuss in the field of health. Or if you
find you cannot ignore them then answer their questions as
honestly as you can (providing proof if you have it) and
move on. As for your fillings and your parasite problems -
post copies of the lab reports for us all to see.

Uh,oh. Now you are in REAL trouble. When I asked for copies
of lab reports Jan threw a fit. Cue Jan to call me a liar.

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Why is that so impossible when everyone has a scanner
today? You can buy a decent scanner for under $50
when on sale.

Cue Jan to tell you it is none of your business and her
records are confidential.

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Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

She wants people to stop confronting her about her [censored].

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L Y I N G

WHAT LYING?

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Stoppwith the excuses, you lied, period.

What lie? You mean asking questions is lying?

No. Disagreeing with Jan is lying. Jan is the truth police.

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I never said I would NOT ask questions here or give my
opinion on what I read here. Don't misread what suits your
agenda into my posts. It makes you look foolish and
dishonest. It appears you have some serious issues Jan.

Serious issues?? That's a nice euphemism. I like that.

Aloha,

Rich

Cue Jan to selectively snip

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Jan

Kim

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

Kim said:

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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"Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou seest
not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest the beam
out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see clearly to cast
the mote from thy brother's eye."

===========================
Amen! If THIS doesn't fit the situation I don't know
what does!

Actually Jan does not have a beam in her eye. She has Noah's
whole friggin' ark in it.

Aloha,

Rich

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Kim

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<< From: "Kim" [email hidden] >>

is this phony?

<< [email hidden]> >>

Nope...this isn't right yet...

<< NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.82.112.1 >>

Hughes Network Systems in Maryland...

<< No matter what anyone says here YOU call them a liar. You
turn them off before they even know what this NG is all
about or get to know many of the posters. >>

Well, I am wondering what your motives really are her,
myself, after discovering this information about you...

"If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well dance."
(Jessie Winchester).

On 12 Mar 2004 03:56:51 GMT, [email hidden] (DEBBEE1023)

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The problem I have with you...is that your internet
addresses don't match up.....

Watch out for Debbee, net stalker. Why would anyone want to
post their real email address on usenet??

Aloha,

Rich
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The best defense to logic is ignorance

Debbee said:

<< From: "Kim" [email hidden] >>

is this phony?

<< [email hidden]> >>

Nope...this isn't right yet...

<< NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.82.112.1 >>

Hughes Network Systems in Maryland...

<< No matter what anyone says here YOU call them a liar.
You turn

them off

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before they even know what this NG is all about or get to
know many of

the

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posters. >>

Well, I am wondering what your motives really are her,
myself, after discovering this information about you...

And you've never used an invalid addy to prevent spammers? I
use several when I post. The one that shows up when you hit
'reply' will bounce right back at you. So will another one I
like to use, [email hidden] (or if it goes through
it's not to me; I made it up and never had the addy myself).

Go ahead and accuse me of being something I'm not, too.

Kimmer

"DEBBEE1023" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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<< If she's posting things that can harm others or
possibly cost them their long term health or lives then
perhaps it should be questioned. >>

And you should be questioned for talking about things for
which you have

no

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personal knowledge in the first place.....

<< I don't agree with her beliefs that a magic zapper
exists that kills non-existent parasites that cause all
disease. Are we not supposed to question such things
here? >>

Good for you.

<< Then just KILLFILE me if I'm making this an INDECENT
group. What's

your

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problem? >>

The problem I have with you...is that your internet
addresses don't match up.....

Debbee did you ever consider that it may be Rich
posting as Kim?

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"If you're gonna walk on thin ice, you may as well
dance." (Jessie

Winchester).

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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On 12 Mar 2004 02:12:48 GMT, [email hidden]

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004
3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <0K-dndFzbOh-
[email hidden]>

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040310010633.25804.00001181@mb-
m01.aol.com...
> >====================
> Now, you are beginning to catch on. Problem is, Rich
> is obsessed and can not help himsellf. He lives on

this

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Quoted message said:

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ng to
> yack about Jan annd as proven is a pattern long before
> me, and you are
correct,
> he has driven many off. He has FAILED to do so with
> me, that's why he

is

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Quoted message said:

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so out
> of control.

Jan, the constant bickering and accusations of who is an
isn't lying is

what

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

will drive most people away from this NG

Wrong, the lying has gone on for years.

Quoted message said:

When people stop in or come here for information I think
their questions should be answered

Kim,

You aren't fooling anyone, Rich has tried ever since I
quit replying to

him to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

get it all going again. He is obsessed, it is clear.

<snip>

I see it coming. Jan is going to accuse Kim of being me.
Just watch. Or Jan will accuse Kim of knowing me and being
planted here to get>

information from Jan.

She needn't bother. I've already done it and yes it is
obvious "Kim" IS a plant whether it's you as her or
her as her.

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Stoppwith the excuses, you lied, period.

"Rich seest the mote in Jan's eye, but he seest not the
beam in his own eye. When Rich castest the beam out of his
own eye, then wilt he see clearly to cast the mote out from
Jan's eye."

Knock it off Rich. You ARE deranged in your head. You ARE
stalking Jan. You ARE obsessed with her. This is very
unhealthy. Ask your Messiah to help you.

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r8-dncpjhoSPs8zdRVn-
[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040311211248.19517.00001296@mb-
m16.aol.com...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden]

Jan, the constant bickering and accusations of who is
an isn't lying is

what

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

will drive most people away from this NG

=====================================

Quoted message said:

Wrong, the lying has gone on for years.

WHAT LIES? Concerning what and who? Just you and the few
other's here? I'm sure 99.99% of new people here don't
care what transpired between you and them in the past.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When people stop in or come here for information I
think their questions should be answered

Quoted message said:

You aren't fooling anyone, Rich has tried ever since I
quit replying to

him to

Quoted message said:

get it all going again. He is obsessed, it is clear.

Get WHAT all going again? Why would newbies here care?
Can't you understand what I'm saying? IGNORE others you
don't agree with and move on..... there is so much to
discuss in the field of health. Or if you

find

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you cannot ignore them then answer their questions as
honestly as you can (providing proof if you have it) and
move on. As for your fillings and your parasite problems
- post copies of the lab reports for us all to see. Why
is that so impossible when everyone has a scanner today?
You can buy

a

Quoted message said:

decent scanner for under $50 when on sale.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

L Y I N G

WHAT LYING?

Quoted message said:

Stoppwith the excuses, you lied, period.

What lie? You mean asking questions is lying? I never said
I would NOT ask questions here or give my opinion on what
I read here. Don't misread what suits your agenda into my
posts. It makes you look foolish and dishonest. It appears
you have some serious issues Jan.

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Jan

Kim

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou
seest not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest
the beam out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see
clearly to cast the mote from thy brother's eye."

===========================
Amen! If THIS doesn't fit the situation I don't know
what does!

And just how long has LIAR Kim known Jan for? For someone
that wants to judge Jan as Kim does, she should get to know
her better first before she agrees with every word that
Rich types. It's so obvious by Kim's agenda against Jan
that Kim was manifested by Rich the mentally deranged
stalker that one wonders if Rich believes he is fooling
anybody but Hawki and Doug as to why the persona known as
Kim was manifested(To stalk Jan)!???

Rich, GET HELP.

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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Kim said:

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou
seest not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest
the beam out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see
clearly to cast the mote from thy brother's eye."

===========================
Amen! If THIS doesn't fit the situation I don't know
what does!

Actually Jan does not have a beam in her eye. She has
Noah's whole>

friggin' ark in it.

You accuse Jan of hypocrisy!????