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  1. (Jan) said:

    *IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK
    THE TEETH!

    NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS
    the dangers of metal in the mouth and root canals, and
    follows correct protocol.

    I did, it saved my life.

    The power of the mind to cause dis-ease is legendary. The
    power of the mind to reverse dis-ease and create a sense of
    well being is equally legendary.

    With the above words as introduction I present what I
    believe is overwhelming evidence that Jan Drew's
    deterioration in health with respect to her peripheral
    neuropathy was directly related to her reading Hulda
    Clark's books and had absolutely NOTHING to do with mercury
    poisoning. Note clearly that I am not claiming that
    amalgams cannot cause mercury poisoning. I AM asserting
    that this clearly was NOT the case with Jan Drew as she
    repeatedly claims.

    But I will allow Jan Drew to tell you in her own words:

    On March 4, 1999 Jan Drew made the following post to usenet
    (my comments will follow the complete QUOTED VERBATIM post):

    Quoted message said:

    I have layered problems. Peripheral neuropathy, parasites,
    my immune system is very weak, a antioxidant disfunction,
    system is low in glutamine, insitol, glucose-insulin
    interaction, fructose intolerance and the list goes on. At
    age 43 I started having headaches and had one everyday all
    day for 12 years. I was a patient at Diamond Headache
    Clinic for 15 years, if took them 10 years to find what
    drug helped me. The list of drugs I tried was 2 pages long.
    I believe all those meds made my system toxic, then the
    parasites(they love toxins) next to go was my digestion,
    bowel problems. I hate to take all this space telling you
    all I have tried. I had not seen or heard of Hulda for
    years, didn't know she had written any books. When I became
    aware of that, I read them. I can understand why people are
    doubtful, and I am not sure I agree with all she says, but
    I do know that the zapper , the kidney cleanse (which took
    away all the burning & stinging-terrible pain in my feet) &
    the liver cleanse works. I used Now products for the
    parasites before I learned that Hulda had her own products.
    They helped me, but I didn't pass any large ones until I
    started on Hulda's products. I had doctored with her in the
    past with good results, thus my confidence was already
    established. I truly believe the parasites are the reason
    for all the problems. My brother is a foot doctor, he also
    believes they are. My experience with MD's was not good. I
    finally had more test done at the Florida Institute of
    Health (alternative) they did more in one day than the MD's
    had learned in 2 years.

    I hope you can now understand why AF, HD, and Yarrow have
    really upset me. I am happy for them if they have found
    relief, but are so close minded about any opinion other
    than their own, and the name calling and hate words
    displayed are completely absurd.

    Jan

    Comments:

    There are a number of noteworthy observations to make:

    1) Notice that Jan expresses the belief that ALL of her
    problems are due to parasites (I wonder where she got
    THAT idea).

    2) Notice that Jan believed that the cleanses got rid
    of the parasites that she believed were causing ALL
    the problems.

    3) Notice especially how Jan reports that following the
    cleanse that the burning, stinging pain went away
    COMPLETELY.

    4) Notice the absence of ANY discussion about mercury
    poisoning, amalgams, etc. (This is because she had not
    yet read about it in Hulda's books..... she only got to
    the parasite section at this point)

    5) Notice the absence of Jan believing that her health
    was rapidly deteriorating and that she was close to
    death. In fact just the opposite was true on March 4,
    1999; Jan believed that she was regaining her health
    because the cleanse had gotten rid of the parasites.
    And it was Hulda's special cleanse that REALLY did the
    trick in her mind.

    Now this was Jan's state of mind on March 4, 1999

    On June 16, 1999 about three and a half months later Jan
    reported that her health had been rapidly deteriorating
    for MONTHS, that she could not go line dancing due to
    the excruciating pain, and that she was convinced that
    she had mercury poisoning secondary to amalgams and was
    close to death.

    What a dramatic deterioration in her health!!!!!!!!!!!!

    On March 4. 1999 she felt pretty good. On June 16,
    1999 she thought she was dying. That is not even four
    months later!!!!

    Now what caused this rapid decline in her health???

    Days or weeks after making the March 4th post Jan read about
    the amalgam, mercury, PN connection in one of Hulda Clark's
    books. The more she read, the more convinced she became that
    her amalgams were leeching mercury which caused her PN. And
    the more she believed it, the more concerned she became.
    Anxiety, depression, obsessive worrying then likely caused
    an exacerbation of her symptoms of PN to the point where she
    thought she was going to die. You see Jan was already
    completely convinced that Hulda was right about the
    parasites. It did not take much to convince her that Hulda
    was right about the amalgams too.

    And then June 17, 1999 she had some amalgams removed.

    On June 17, 1999 Jan posted to usenet:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I have peripheral neuropathy, and have been searching for
    a cause for over a year. I have read Hulda Clark's books
    where she mentions the mercury problem. I am only 35 miles
    from the dentist who sh is speaking with in her book. Dr.
    Frank Jerome, who has written "Tooth Truth", a very
    enlightening book. I had my first appointment today and
    1/4 of my mouth is now mercury free. I go back tomorrow to
    get another 1/4 done. Later, I will get my only root canal
    pulled. I truly beleive this is the cause of my problems.
    If you have a condition that the doctors can't find, it is
    wise to suspect the teeth.

    Thanks Again,

    Jan

    On June 18, 1999 she had some more removed and on that
    same day reports that she felt better than she had in
    two years!!

    Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to
    usenet

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral
    neuropathy. I have found a dentist (alternative) who knows
    that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They can cause
    all manner of things. He will remove them and put in
    composities. I have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The
    others will come out in a few weeks, along with the one
    root canal, which will be extracted. If an individual has
    read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
    care of you. He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like
    it is. He tells how the ADA has covered up this problem.
    So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He
    has people flying in from all over to get the work done. I
    believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav
    felt better today that I have in the last 2 years, and am
    looking forward to getting the rest of the mercury out and
    the root canal pulled. Jan

    When Jan was asked how she could feel better than she had
    in two years she said that it was because she felt relief
    that ALL the amalgams had been removed and that her bill
    was paid off. This was clearly a LIE since Jan still had
    some amalgams left and according to her would not have
    them out for another few weeks.

    Here are her exact words:

    Quoted message said:

    Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had
    in two years. That was very true. I had been very very
    ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After much
    reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I
    wasn't absolutely positivity 100% sure, but it all fit
    together and I knew I had to do something. It wasn't
    easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.
    Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the
    bill was paid, I didn't have to sit in the dentist chairs
    for hours with a rubber dam in my mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of
    course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
    That makes one FEEL BETTER.

    What's so hard to understand?

    Notice closely how Jan originally claims that she felt
    better than she did in two years BEFORE all the work was
    done. According to her the work would not be completed for
    another few weeks!!!

    And when I confronted her about this contradiction Jan said:

    I wasn't talking to you. Jan

    Obviously Jan sees no problem telling one person one thing
    and then contradicting herself by telling someone else
    something quite different!! This alone suggests serious
    credibility issues with Jan Drew.

    Remember that on March 4, 1999 she felt pretty good. But
    after having three quarters of her amalgams removed she felt
    even better than that. And a week later she was able to go
    line dancing for the first time in months.

    Discussion (opinion):

    The most likely explanation IMO for Jan Drew's improvement
    are psychologic factors.

    I believe that the deterioration in her health was largely
    due to her worrying and obsessing about her being poisoned
    by mercury due to buying into the idea that the amalgams
    were causing her health problems. This also occurred when
    she thought she was infested with parasites.

    I also believe that the improvement in her health was
    largely due to her relief that she finally was getting rid
    of what she believed was causing her problem. She had a
    similar response after having a cleanse that she believed
    got rid of parasites.

    IOW I believe that Jan Drew is an excellent example of the
    power of placebo and that her history is consistent with
    psychologic factors affecting physical illness although I
    recommend competent health professional to evaluate her for
    a more definitive opinion.

    I have no doubt that her mercury level is declining. After
    all she had all her amalgams removed. The question is
    whether at the highest level was the mercury level causing
    any significant health problems for Jan Drew. Jan certainly
    believes that it was. Her history, IMO, strongly suggests
    otherwise.

    I predict that Jan will respond to this post in one of the
    following:

    6)She will ignore it and/or put me in her kill file
    7) She will snip most of what I say and accuse me of lying
    without specifically saying what I lied about
    8) She will divert from the topic by accusing me of various
    things including but not limited to a)hiking in the nude
    b) using her parents to belittle her, c)being obsessed
    with her, d) calling me a Jew-boy, pervert or some other
    creative insult from Jan "it is NEVER right to belittle"
    Drew. Perhaps she will wish some disability on me.

    What she will NOT do is

    9) Discuss the subject in a reasonable fashion
    10) Point out any lies that she continues to accuse me of

    What she will likely end up doing is violating two of the
    Ten Commandments:

    11) Thou shalt not lie (she does this when she accuses me of
    lying with respect to her history as I provided it WITH
    direct citations from Jan)

    12) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
    (again doing this by accusing me of various things such
    as lying and/or stalking).

    And finally if you have unanswered health problems my
    suggestion is to NOT take the advice of Jan Drew. And if you
    are foolish enough to listen to her please don't say that I
    did not warn you.

    Aloha,

    Rich

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  2. ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jan" <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:12 PM
    Subject: Re: to Jan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004
    3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <0K-dndFzbOh-
    [email hidden]>

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
    personal conflicts

    Quoted message said:

    between the posters here. I'm simply looking for
    answers.*

    Quoted message said:

    Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

    L Y I N G

    Then stop.

    For example,

    "I have never snipped to change the meaning. I don't play
    nonsense games, rather I am straight forward."

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  3. Quoted message said:

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan"
    <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: to Jan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004
    3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <0K-dndFzbOh-
    [email hidden]>

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
    personal conflicts
    > between the posters here. I'm simply looking for
    > answers.*

    Quoted message said:

    Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

    L Y I N G

    Then stop.

    For example,

    "I have never snipped to change the meaning. I don't play
    nonsense games, rather I am straight forward."

    Cue Jan to attack me and/or deny that she snips to change
    meaning of posts.

    Aloha,

    Rich

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  4. (Jan) said:

    Rich will be right along to tell ya the answers to all
    these quuestion, you asked *ME*.

    If Jan has me kill filed how can she know that I am doing
    this?? Oops. The jig is up. Another lie. Sad that. Yes Jan,
    I know you will be reading this. You fool no one when you
    claim to kill file people. You are a terrible liar.

    Cue Jan to start another post attacking me. Just watch.

    Jan says it is never right to belittle. Then she belittles.

    Jan says that she never snips to change meaning of posts.
    Then she snips and changes meaning of posts.

    Jan says she never lied on mha. Then Jan lies.

    Jan says that she always proves other's lies. Then Jan does
    not prove other's lies.

    Jan says that she is a Christian. Then she lies and bears
    false witness. She says that Jesus was there when God wrote
    the Ten Commandments.

    Jan says that she is not an anti-semite. But she calls a
    Jewish man a Jew Boy and says that lying comes second
    nature to Jews and that all the jews in this newsgroup
    save one, lie.

    Jan says that she does not hate anyone but then she
    expresses hatred.

    Jan says Judge Not Lest YOu Be Judged and yet she is the
    biggest judger of all.

    Jan says that it is good not to hold grudges and instead to
    forgive. She posts an interview with God which tells her to
    forgive. Jan Drew continues to hold grudges and obsessively
    posts grudges from years ago.

    Jan personally attacks people and calls them liars simply
    for having a different opinion from hers.

    Jan Drew calls others hypocrites when she is the biggest
    hypocrite (see above) of all.

    Jan Drew criticizes conventional medicine for giving
    medicines that only cover up the problem. Jan Drew takes two
    medications that only cover up the problem.

    Jan says that she had mercury poisoning and almost died and
    her life was saved by having amalgams removed. Jan knows
    that it was relief that made her feel better than she had in
    TWO YEARS!!!!

    Jan says that the reason she felt better than she had in
    two years was because all the dental work was done. It
    was not done.

    Jan says that the reason she knows it was the mercury
    because she did not begin to regain her health until AFTER
    her mercury level dropped. Jan knows this is a lie as she
    began to regain her health when her mercury level was likely
    the highest in her life.

    Jan says that the reason that she was able to go out line
    dancing a week after some amalgams were removed was because
    she was not getting a daily dose of mercury. Jan knows this
    is a lie because she still had some amalgams left and they
    would not be removed for another few weeks.

    Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she
    had in years instead of two years. Jan knows that she lied
    about this.

    Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she
    had in two years because of what I was implying. But Jan
    knows I was implying that it was a placebo response and Jan
    ADMITTED that she felt better due to relief.

    Jan accused me of lying when I mistakenly posted
    January instead of June when she likely knew that I
    just made a mistake.

    And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

    Jan is a despicable, liar, bigot, hypocrite, hate monger,
    anti-semite, homophobe, belittler, and judger. And I proved
    it with her OWN WORDS.

    May God have mercy on her soul.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    Cue Jan to attack me. Just watch.

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    The best defense to logic is ignorance

  5. "DEBBEE1023" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    << If she's posting things that can harm others or
    possibly cost them their long term health or lives then
    perhaps it should be questioned. >>

    And you should be questioned for talking about things for
    which you have


    no

    Quoted message said:

    personal knowledge in the first place.....

    Such as what? The lack of non-existent parasite
    infestations? Question me. See if I care. I have
    nothing to hide.

    Quoted message said:

    << Then just KILLFILE me if I'm making this an INDECENT
    group. What's


    your

    Quoted message said:

    problem? >>

    Quoted message said:

    The problem I have with you...is that your internet
    addresses don't match up.....

    Match up with what? What is it supposed to match up with?
    Why are you so concerned with my Internet address?

    Kim

  6. <Rich.@.> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 12 Mar 2004 03:56:51 GMT, [email hidden]

    (DEBBEE1023) said:

    The problem I have with you...is that your internet
    addresses don't match up.....

    Watch out for Debbee, net stalker. Why would anyone want
    to post their real email address on usenet??


    =============================
    That's what I'm wondering. Why would she CARE about my e-
    mail or IP address "not matching up." Matching up with what?

    Kim

  7. "RB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Debbee did you ever consider that it may be Rich posting
    as Kim?


    ============================
    Maybe Debbie herself is posing as Me. Or maybe Jan is posing
    as Rich, or maybe you're posing as Bob who is posing as
    someone else....

    What a CRAZY NG this is. :-D

    Kim posing as Kim, aka Kim, Certified as Kim - Kim
    since 1945

  8. "Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    The *what* is that I expose the evils of organized
    medicine.

    And you have a right to your opinion. As long as you have
    some type of evidence to back you up then who would care?
    There are known problems with org' medicine and everyone is
    aware of that. There are also known problem with alt meds
    and I'm sure everyone knows that as well. But no one can
    stop you from posting here.

    Quoted message said:

    Well, you have been here long enough to read my message,
    do note the word


    *IF*

    *Do not tell me what words to use.* I have no idea what
    you've posted here re' health. Almost every post of yours so
    far have been personal attacks on others, and accusing
    others of lying.

    Quoted message said:

    *IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK
    THE TEETH! NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt.
    dentist who KNOWS the dangers of


    metal

    Quoted message said:

    in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct
    protocol. I did, it saved my life.

    Well, lets put it this way. I don't see people becoming sick
    and dying from their fillings. If you believe your filling
    were killing you that's your business. That doesn't mean
    other people are also dying for the *same* reason. I have
    fillings and am in almost perfect health. I never even heard
    of anyone getting sick from fillings - you may be ultra
    sensitive to the materials used by your past dentists. Such
    things happen. I happen to be very sensitive to chlorine and
    cannot go in chlorinated swimming pools. I also allow water
    to sit on the counter for awhile before I drink it.

    Quoted message said:

    Mercury is Poisonous. There is NO safe form of Mercury in
    living tissue.

    I don't doubt this. There are many toxins in our environment
    these days. From what I have seen and learned in my lifetime
    most sickness is self-caused. People will not exercise or
    eat a good balanced diet. They worry about things they have
    no control over, and in general do not take care of
    themselves.

    Quoted message said:

    ***The Environmental Protection Agency is working to
    reduce the amount of mercuryin the environment *****
    ehs.ucsf.eduCsm Chapter9.htm
    17. DENTAL AMALGAM Dental amalgams are mixtures of mercury
    with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPA regulates them as
    ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal
    Form


    for

    Quoted message said:

    its disposal
    ==========
    So right back at ya Kim, do tell us where you see any
    thing that might


    harm

    Quoted message said:

    others? Oh that's right, you picked that up from Rich.

    Where did I ACCUSE you? I used the word *IF* remember? This
    is where I see PARANOIA in your posts. And why attack a
    third party?

    Your mindless stupidity, accusations and blather
    snipped.......

    Kim

  9. <Rich.@.> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On 12 Mar 2004 04:41:42 GMT, [email hidden]

    (Jan) said:

    *IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK
    THE TEETH!

    NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who
    KNOWS the dangers of


    metal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct
    protocol.

    ==================== Bandwidth Brevity snip.

    After reading this post I believe you completely. You have
    Jan's own words in black and white - right here for everyone
    to read. I had no idea of her history, what she's posted
    here in the past, what claims she's made. Thanks for
    pointing this out to me.......

    Also, the way she snips posts often makes following her
    difficult. You can't tell who said what with sentences left
    hanging and just chopped off.....

    Kim

  10. <Rich.@.> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kim said:


    <Rich.@.> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou
    seest not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest
    the beam out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see
    clearly to cast the mote from thy brother's eye."


    ===========================
    Amen! If THIS doesn't fit the situation I don't know
    what does!

    Actually Jan does not have a beam in her eye. She has
    Noah's whole friggin' ark in it.

    Aloha,

    Rich


    ===================
    Oh, that's hysterical! :-D

    Kim

  11. "RB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    And just how long has LIAR Kim known Jan for?

    I see the game here RB. Anyone who questions anything this
    Jan character posts is a liar. Anyone who doesn't believe
    her every utterance is a liar. Anyone who doubts at all is a
    liar. Anyone who doesn't claim all MDs are quacks is a
    liar.... in short everyone here is a liar. Correct?

    For someone that wants to

    Quoted message said:

    judge Jan as Kim does,

    Oh, did I judge her? Did I call her a liar? Strange - I
    can't find one post where I called her a liar or "judged"
    her in any way. However I do have an opinion of her and her
    sycophants here on this NG.

    -- Blithering idiotic blather snipped. --

    Kim

  12. "RB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    She needn't bother. I've already done it and yes it is
    obvious "Kim" IS


    a

    Quoted message said:

    plant whether it's you as her or her as her.

    Gee whiz, here we go again. Kim is a Geranium plant posing
    as a Petunia plant who is posing as a cabbage plant, but is
    really a Gemstone who is posing as a Liver-Fluke but is
    really, really a Seagull being paid by some strange
    millionaire Drs in black helicopters......

    Kim

  13. <Rich.@.> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Kim said:

    WHAT LIES? Concerning what and who?

    Quoted message said:

    I was always told never ask a question that you don't want
    the answer to. Jan will likely now post completely out of
    context quotes from years ago that you won't have a clue
    how to interpret. She will do so to demonize her perceived
    enemies. She collects quotes and then uses them against
    people. She has already started with you.

    Yes, I can see that. Half the time I haven't a clue what or
    who she is talking about or what she's referring to.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Just you and the few other's here?

    Quoted message said:

    Mostly the Jews and the atheists.

    I've noticed she mentions them constantly.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm sure 99.99% of new people here don't care what
    transpired between you and them in the past.

    Quoted message said:

    But Jan wants them to care. Actually she just wants to
    disrupt communication here.

    She's wasting her time. Most will not care. Why should we?
    And her personality and immediate accusations are a total
    turn-off before one even gets to know her or much about her.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Get WHAT all going again?

    Quoted message said:

    Jan is worried about having all her claims debunked. She
    likely makes them up which is why her stories keep
    changing. She has wised up enough to know not to give any
    details about her history. Oh, what a tangled web we weave
    when first we practice to deceive.

    Well she certainly disrupts this NG. I get the feeling she
    somehow feels this is HER place and she has the say in what
    happens here. This is an open unmoderated NG and everyone is
    free to voice an opinion or ask questions.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why would newbies here care?

    Quoted message said:

    She will accuse you of not really being a newbie but
    a plant.

    Yes! Everything you guys have been saying is coming to pass
    here. I've been accused of being a plant already. What a
    hoot! :-) Oh, the intrigue, the DRAMA!!!!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As for your fillings and
    your parasite problems - post copies of the lab reports
    for us all to


    see.

    Quoted message said:

    Uh,oh. Now you are in REAL trouble. When I asked for
    copies of lab reports Jan threw a fit. Cue Jan to call
    me a liar.

    LOL!!!! This is beyond belief!!!! I must be in Usenet's
    Twilight Zone.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why is that so impossible when everyone has a scanner
    today? You can buy


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    decent scanner for under $50 when on sale.

    Quoted message said:

    Cue Jan to tell you it is none of your business and her
    records are confidential.

    Absurd! She can blur out her address, phone number, SS
    number and just leave the important information for
    all to see.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

    Quoted message said:

    She wants people to stop confronting her about her
    [censored].

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    L Y I N G

    WHAT LYING?

    Quoted message said:

    Stoppwith the excuses, you lied, period.

    What lie? You mean asking questions is lying?

    No. Disagreeing with Jan is lying. Jan is the truth
    police.

    I'm convinced. This *IS* the Twilight Zone.... LOL!!!!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I never said I would NOT ask questions here or give my
    opinion on what I read here. Don't misread what suits
    your agenda into my posts. It makes you look foolish and
    dishonest. It appears you have some serious issues Jan.

    Quoted message said:

    Serious issues?? That's a nice euphemism. I like that.

    Aloha,

    Rich

    Cue Jan to selectively snip

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Jan

    I'm off to bed. I can't take any more laughs tonight. :-)

    Kim aka Kim since 1945

  14. Kim said:

    But no one can stop you from posting here.

    Are you sure about that? They can at least make the price so
    high in real life terms that it is beyond the means of many.

    For example, contacting someone's employer? (So someone said
    recently) That would be a deterrent to many.

    Threats to contact someone's family? (If it became obvious
    that someone would act in that way, this would necessarily
    deter many.)

    Revealing personal information about the poster, their
    family, their occupation or other, or even threatening to do
    so while making it clear they would follow through, would
    deter some, in particular if others could thereby be
    endangered.

    Having people's email accounts closed may not stop everyone,
    but in some cases it can cause serious difficulties.

    Repeated references made to posters' race or ethnicity,
    religion, marital status, gender and orientation,
    occupation and other such personal details, particularly
    when accompanied by derogation, would effectively drive
    away some people.

    Do you really believe that "No one can stop you
    posting here"?

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  15. Kim said:


    "RB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Debbee did you ever consider that it may be Rich posting
    as Kim?


    ============================
    Maybe Debbie herself is posing as Me. Or maybe Jan is
    posing as Rich, or maybe you're posing as Bob who is posing
    as someone else....

    What a CRAZY NG this is. :-D

    Kim posing as Kim, aka Kim, Certified as Kim - Kim
    since 1945

    Crazy? We are just warming up!

    Have you met Todd and Carole?

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
    The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  16. Quoted message said:
    Kim said:

    But no one can stop you from posting here.

    Are you sure about that? They can at least make the
    price so high in real life terms that it is beyond the
    means of many.

    For example, contacting someone's employer? (So someone
    said recently) That would be a deterrent to many.

    Threats to contact someone's family? (If it became obvious
    that someone would act in that way, this would necessarily
    deter many.)

    Revealing personal information about the poster, their
    family, their occupation or other, or even threatening to
    do so while making it clear they would follow through,
    would deter some, in particular if others could thereby be
    endangered.

    Having people's email accounts closed may not stop
    everyone, but in some cases it can cause serious
    difficulties.

    Repeated references made to posters' race or ethnicity,
    religion, marital status, gender and orientation,
    occupation and other such personal details, particularly
    when accompanied by derogation, would effectively drive
    away some people.

    Do you really believe that "No one can stop you
    posting here"?

    Have a look at ratbags.comonews and
    ratbags.comgal.htm

    Nobody can stop you posting here.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
    The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  17. Kim said:


    "RB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    She needn't bother. I've already done it and yes it is
    obvious "Kim" IS


    a

    Quoted message said:

    plant whether it's you as her or her as her.

    Gee whiz, here we go again. Kim is a Geranium plant posing
    as a Petunia plant who is posing as a cabbage plant, but is
    really a Gemstone who is posing as a Liver-Fluke but is
    really, really a Seagull being paid by some strange
    millionaire Drs in black helicopters......

    Kim

    Bugger. Someone forgot to lock the secrets cupboard and Kim
    managed to sneak a look.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
    The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  18. Quoted message said:

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan"
    <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: to Jan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004
    3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <0K-dndFzbOh-
    [email hidden]>

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
    personal conflicts
    > between the posters here. I'm simply looking for
    > answers.*

    Quoted message said:

    Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

    L Y I N G

    Then stop.

    For example,

    "I have never snipped to change the meaning. I don't play
    nonsense games, rather I am straight forward."

    Oh, Toby, you are in deep [censored] now. I hope you're not
    an atheist

    going over to the good side of the Force.

    --
    Peter Bowditch
    The Millenium Project ratbags.comrsoles
    The Green Light ratbags.comgreenlight
    and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10 ratbags.comloon
    To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

  19. Quoted message said:

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jan" <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:12 PM
    Subject: Re: to Jan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004
    3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <0K-dndFzbOh-
    [email hidden]>

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
    personal conflicts
    > between the posters here. I'm simply looking for
    > answers.*

    Quoted message said:

    Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

    L Y I N G

    Then stop.

    For example,

    "I have never snipped to change the meaning. I don't play
    nonsense games, rather I am straight forward."

    Thank you, Toby, for confronting Jan about that.

  20. Quoted message said:

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jan" <[email hidden]>
    Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
    Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:12 PM
    Subject: Re: to Jan

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004
    3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <0K-dndFzbOh-
    [email hidden]>

    [snip]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
    personal conflicts
    > between the posters here. I'm simply looking for
    > answers.*

    Quoted message said:

    Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

    L Y I N G

    Then stop.

    For example,

    "I have never snipped to change the meaning. I don't play
    nonsense games, rather I am straight forward."

    Thank you, Toby, for confronting Jan about that.

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