to Jan

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On 12 Mar 2004 03:56:51 GMT, [email hidden]

(DEBBEE1023) said:

The problem I have with you...is that your internet
addresses don't

match

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up.....

Watch out for Debbee, net stalker. Why would anyone want
to post their real email address on usenet??

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That's what I'm wondering. Why would she CARE about my e-
mail or IP

address

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"not matching up." Matching up with what?

She'll want you investigated if you keep asking. She will
report you to the NetKops if you do not watch out.

Careful, Debbee is Dangerous.

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The problem I have with you...is that your internet
addresses don't

match

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up.....

Watch out for Debbee, net stalker. Why would anyone want
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That's what I'm wondering. Why would she CARE about my e-
mail or IP

address

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"not matching up." Matching up with what?

She'll want you investigated if you keep asking. She will
report you to the NetKops if you do not watch out.

Careful, Debbee is Dangerous.

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On 12 Mar 2004 05:49:55 GMT, [email hidden]

(Jan) said:

Rich will be right along to tell ya the answers to all
these quuestion,

you

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asked *ME*.

If Jan has me kill filed how can she know that I am doing
this?? Oops. The jig is up. Another lie. Sad that. Yes
Jan, I know you will be reading this. You fool no one when
you claim to kill file people. You are a terrible liar.

Cue Jan to start another post attacking me. Just watch.

Jan says it is never right to belittle. Then she
belittles.

Jan says that she never snips to change meaning of posts.
Then she snips and changes meaning of posts.

Jan says she never lied on mha. Then Jan lies.

Jan says that she always proves other's lies. Then Jan
does not prove other's lies.

Jan says that she is a Christian. Then she lies and bears
false witness. She says that Jesus was there when God
wrote the Ten Commandments.

Jan says that she is not an anti-semite. But she calls a
Jewish man a Jew Boy and says that lying comes second
nature to Jews and that all the jews in this newsgroup
save one, lie.

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Jan says that she does not hate anyone but then she
expresses hatred.

Jan says Judge Not Lest YOu Be Judged and yet she is the
biggest judger of all.

Jan says that it is good not to hold grudges and instead
to forgive. She posts an interview with God which tells
her to forgive. Jan Drew continues to hold grudges and
obsessively posts grudges from years ago.

Jan personally attacks people and calls them liars simply
for having a different opinion from hers.

Jan Drew calls others hypocrites when she is the biggest
hypocrite (see above) of all.

Jan Drew criticizes conventional medicine for giving
medicines that only cover up the problem. Jan Drew takes
two medications that only cover up the problem.

Jan says that she had mercury poisoning and almost died
and her life was saved by having amalgams removed. Jan
knows that it was relief that made her feel better than
she had in TWO YEARS!!!!

Jan says that the reason she felt better than she had in
two years was because all the dental work was done. It was
not done.

Jan says that the reason she knows it was the mercury
because she did not begin to regain her health until AFTER
her mercury level dropped. Jan knows this is a lie as she
began to regain her health when her mercury level was
likely the highest in her life.

Jan says that the reason that she was able to go out line
dancing a week after some amalgams were removed was
because she was not getting a daily dose of mercury. Jan
knows this is a lie because she still had some amalgams
left and they would not be removed for another few weeks.

Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than
she had in years instead of two years. Jan knows that she
lied about this.

Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than
she had in two years because of what I was implying. But
Jan knows I was implying that it was a placebo response
and Jan ADMITTED that she felt better due to relief.

Jan accused me of lying when I mistakenly posted January
instead of June when she likely knew that I just made a
mistake.

And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Jan is a despicable, liar, bigot, hypocrite, hate monger,
anti-semite, homophobe, belittler, and judger. And I
proved it with her OWN WORDS.

May God have mercy on her soul.

Rich has proved nothing except that he's obsessed with
jan.

You were right Jan. There's Rich already.

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On 12 Mar 2004 04:41:42 GMT, [email hidden]

(Jan) said:

*IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK
THE TEETH!

NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who
KNOWS the dangers of

metal

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in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct
protocol.

I did, it saved my life.

The power of the mind to cause dis-ease is legendary. The
power of the mind to reverse dis-ease and create a sense
of well being is equally legendary.

With the above words as introduction I present what I
believe is overwhelming evidence that Jan Drew's
deterioration in health with respect to her peripheral
neuropathy was directly related to her reading Hulda
Clark's books and had absolutely NOTHING to do with
mercury poisoning. Note clearly that I am not claiming
that amalgams cannot cause mercury poisoning. I AM
asserting that this clearly was NOT the case with Jan
Drew as she repeatedly claims.

But I will allow Jan Drew to tell you in her own words:

On March 4, 1999 Jan Drew made the following post to
usenet (my comments will follow the complete QUOTED
VERBATIM post):

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I have layered problems. Peripheral neuropathy,
parasites, my immune

system is

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very weak, a antioxidant disfunction, system is low in
glutamine,

insitol,

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glucose-insulin interaction, fructose intolerance and the
list goes on.

At age

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43 I started having headaches and had one everyday all
day for 12 years.

I was

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a patient at Diamond Headache Clinic for 15 years, if
took them 10 years

to

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find what drug helped me. The list of drugs I tried was 2
pages long. I

believe

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all those meds made my system toxic, then the
parasites(they love toxins)

next

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to go was my digestion, bowel problems. I hate to take
all this space

telling

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you all I have tried. I had not seen or heard of Hulda
for years, didn't

know

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she had written any books. When I became aware of that, I
read them. I

can

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understand why people are doubtful, and I am not sure I
agree with all

she

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says, but I do know that the zapper , the kidney cleanse
(which took away

all

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the burning & stinging-terrible pain in my feet) & the
liver cleanse

works. I

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used Now products for the parasites before I learned that
Hulda had her

own

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products. They helped me, but I didn't pass any large
ones until I

started on

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Hulda's products. I had doctored with her in the past
with good results,

thus

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my confidence was already established. I truly believe
the parasites are

the

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reason for all the problems. My brother is a foot doctor,
he also

believes

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they are. My experience with MD's was not good. I finally
had more test

done at

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the Florida Institute of Health (alternative) they did
more in one day

than the

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MD's had learned in 2 years.

I hope you can now understand why AF, HD, and Yarrow have
really upset

me. I am

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happy for them if they have found relief, but are so
close minded about

any

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opinion other than their own, and the name calling and
hate words

displayed are

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completely absurd.

Jan

Comments:

There are a number of noteworthy observations to make:

1) Notice that Jan expresses the belief that ALL of her
problems are due to parasites (I wonder where she got
THAT idea).

2) Notice that Jan believed that the cleanses got rid of
the parasites that she believed were causing ALL the
problems.

3) Notice especially how Jan reports that following the
cleanse that the burning, stinging pain went away
COMPLETELY.

4) Notice the absence of ANY discussion about mercury
poisoning, amalgams, etc. (This is because she had not
yet read about it in Hulda's books..... she only got to
the parasite section at this point)

5) Notice the absence of Jan believing that her health was
rapidly deteriorating and that she was close to death.
In fact just the opposite was true on March 4, 1999;
Jan believed that she was regaining her health because
the cleanse had gotten rid of the parasites. And it was
Hulda's special cleanse that REALLY did the trick in
her mind.

Now this was Jan's state of mind on March 4, 1999

On June 16, 1999 about three and a half months later Jan
reported that her health had been rapidly deteriorating
for MONTHS, that she could not go line dancing due to the
excruciating pain, and that she was convinced that she
had mercury poisoning secondary to amalgams and was close
to death.

What a dramatic deterioration in her health!!!!!!!!!!!!

On March 4. 1999 she felt pretty good. On June 16, 1999
she thought she was dying. That is not even four months
later!!!!

Now what caused this rapid decline in her health???

Days or weeks after making the March 4th post Jan read
about the amalgam, mercury, PN connection in one of Hulda
Clark's books. The more she read, the more convinced she
became that her amalgams were leeching mercury which
caused her PN. And the more she believed it, the more
concerned she became. Anxiety, depression, obsessive
worrying then likely caused an exacerbation of her
symptoms of PN to the point where she thought she was
going to die. You see Jan was already completely convinced
that Hulda was right about the parasites. It did not take
much to convince her that Hulda was right about the
amalgams too.

And then June 17, 1999 she had some amalgams removed.

On June 17, 1999 Jan posted to usenet:

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I have peripheral neuropathy, and have been searching
for a cause for

over a

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year. I have read Hulda Clark's books where she mentions
the mercury

problem. I

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am only 35 miles from the dentist who sh is speaking
with in her book.

mf.

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Frank Jerome, who has written "Tooth Truth", a very
enlightening book. I

had my

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first appointment today and 1/4 of my mouth is now
mercury free. I go

back

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tomorrow to get another 1/4 done. Later, I will get my
only root canal

pulled.

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I truly beleive this is the cause of my problems. If you
have a

condition that

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the doctors can't find, it is wise to suspect the teeth.

Thanks Again,

Jan

On June 18, 1999 she had some more removed and on that
same day reports that she felt better than she had in two
years!!

Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999
to usenet

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I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral
neuropathy. I have

found a

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dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams
are very

dangerous. They

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can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and
put in

composities. I

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have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come
out in a few

weeks,

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along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
If an individual has read on this subject and is
knowledgable, he will

take

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care of you. He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it
like it is. He tells how the

ADA has

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covered up this problem. So, it is just a matter of
finding the right dentist. He has people

flying in

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from all over to get the work done. I believe the
mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better

today that

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I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to
getting the rest

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mercury out and the root canal pulled. Jan

When Jan was asked how she could feel better than she
had in two years she said that it was because she felt
relief that ALL the amalgams had been removed and that
her bill was paid off. This was clearly a LIE since Jan
still had some amalgams left and according to her would
not have them out for another few weeks.

Here are her exact words:

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Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had
in two years.

That was

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very true. I had been very very ill and my health was
deteriorating fast.

After

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much reading and research I was convinced it was my
teeth. I wasn't

absolutely

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positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew
I had to do

something.

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It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very
stressful. Finally all the work was done, the metal was
out, the bill was paid, I

didn't

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have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber
dam in my mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved.
A big big burden was

lifted.

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That makes one FEEL BETTER.

What's so hard to understand?

Notice closely how Jan originally claims that she felt
better than she did in two years BEFORE all the work was
done. According to her the work would not be completed for
another few weeks!!!

And when I confronted her about this contradiction

Jan said:

I wasn't talking to you. Jan

Obviously Jan sees no problem telling one person one thing
and then contradicting herself by telling someone else
something quite different!! This alone suggests serious
credibility issues with Jan Drew.

Remember that on March 4, 1999 she felt pretty good. But
after having three quarters of her amalgams removed she
felt even better than that. And a week later she was able
to go line dancing for the first time in months.

Discussion (opinion):

The most likely explanation IMO for Jan Drew's improvement
are psychologic factors.

I believe that the deterioration in her health was largely
due to her worrying and obsessing about her being poisoned
by mercury due to buying into the idea that the amalgams
were causing her health problems. This also occurred when
she thought she was infested with parasites.

I also believe that the improvement in her health was
largely due to her relief that she finally was getting rid
of what she believed was causing her problem. She had a
similar response after having a cleanse that she believed
got rid of parasites.

IOW I believe that Jan Drew is an excellent example of
the power of placebo and that her history is consistent
with psychologic factors affecting physical illness
although I recommend competent health professional to
evaluate her for a more definitive opinion.

I have no doubt that her mercury level is declining. After
all she had all her amalgams removed. The question is
whether at the highest level was the mercury level causing
any significant health problems for Jan Drew. Jan
certainly believes that it was. Her history, IMO, strongly
suggests otherwise.

I predict that Jan will respond to this post in one of the
following:

1)She will ignore it and/or put me in her kill file
2) She will snip most of what I say and accuse me of lying
without specifically saying what I lied about
3) She will divert from the topic by accusing me of
various things including but not limited to a)hiking in
the nude b) using her parents to belittle her, c)being
obsessed with her, d) calling me a Jew-boy, pervert or
some other creative insult from Jan "it is NEVER right
to belittle" Drew. Perhaps she will wish some
disability on me.

What she will NOT do is

1) Discuss the subject in a reasonable fashion
2) Point out any lies that she continues to accuse me of

What she will likely end up doing is violating two of the
Ten Commandments:

1) Thou shalt not lie (she does this when she accuses me
of lying with respect to her history as I provided it
WITH direct citations from Jan)

2) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
(again doing this by accusing me of various things such
as lying and/or stalking).

And finally if you have unanswered health problems my
suggestion is to NOT take the advice of Jan Drew. And if
you are foolish enough to listen to her please don't say
that I did not warn you.

Aloha,

Rich

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Kim said:

But no one can stop you from posting here.

Are you sure about that? They can at least make the
price so high in real life terms that it is beyond the
means of many.

Agreed. There was a poster who was accessing the internet
through a shared system. Debbee, with nary a word of
criticism by Jan, complained to that posters ISP about
something instead of dealing with it in the public group.
That poster was warned by an overly sesitive ISP about loss
of service. The poster lives in a part of the world where
ISPs dop not grow on trees, thus, this was a high price to
pay, and they are gone, now.

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For example, contacting someone's employer? (So someone
said recently) That would be a deterrent to many.

I said it. Jan has contacted employers and has never
denied it.

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Threats to contact someone's family? (If it became obvious
that someone would act in that way, this would necessarily
deter many.)

Yes. One poster contacted the spouse of someone with whom
she disagrees to try to stifle his free speech.

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Revealing personal information about the poster, their
family, their occupation or other, or even threatening to
do so while making it clear they would follow through,
would deter some, in particular if others

could

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thereby be endangered.

Agreed. you should note that none of the people who Jan, and
others, list as their "enemies" have, AFIAK, every engaged
in such behavior. Jan claims that her home address was
posted, but, I believe that just a URL to a search engine
was posted, and this was in response to her posting the
professional address of one of her "enemies."

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Having people's email accounts closed may not stop
everyone, but in some cases it can cause serious
difficulties.

It did with me. I used that email address to store certain
information. It took three months to reconstruct.

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Repeated references made to posters' race or ethnicity,
religion, marital status, gender and orientation,
occupation and other such personal details, particularly
when accompanied by derogation, would effectively drive
away some people.

Agreed. However, there are those of us who do not turn the
other cheek and are vilified for it.

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Do you really believe that "No one can stop you
posting here"?

Actually, in spite of the above, yes I do.

Kim said:

<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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On 12 Mar 2004 04:41:42 GMT, [email hidden]

(Jan) said:

*IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK
THE TEETH!

NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who
KNOWS the dangers of

metal

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in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct
protocol.

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After reading this post I believe you completely. You have
Jan's own words in black and white - right here for
everyone to read. I had no idea of her history, what she's
posted here in the past, what claims she's made. Thanks for
pointing this out to me.......

Cue Jan to call me a liar and attack Kim for believing me.
Cue Jan NOT to be specific about what she alleges I lied
about wrt her history.

Cue Jan NOT to reconcile how her neuropathic pain could go
completely away (for a short time) a week after 8 amalgams
were removed when her mercury level was likely the highest
in her life.

Cue Jan NOT to reconcile how she can say she was not
getting a daily dose of mercury when she still have SEVERAL
amalgams yet to be removed.

Cue Jan to call me a liar for saying "several" instead of
the exact number (which I believe is 4).

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Also, the way she snips posts often makes following her
difficult. You can't tell who said what with sentences
left hanging and just chopped off.....

She does this deliberately to disrupt communication. Jan is
very manipulative and deceitful. Hang around long enough and
you will see the full extent of this hateful bigoted poor
excuse for a human being.

Cue RB to rush to Jan's defense.

Aloha,

Rich

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Kim said:

But no one can stop you from posting here.

Are you sure about that? They can at least make the
price so high in real life terms that it is beyond the
means of many.

Indeed.

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For example, contacting someone's employer? (So someone
said recently) That would be a deterrent to many.

Jan admits doing this.

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Threats to contact someone's family? (If it became obvious
that someone would act in that way, this would necessarily
deter many.)

Revealing personal information about the poster, their
family, their occupation or other, or even threatening to
do so while making it clear they would follow through,
would deter some, in particular if others could thereby be
endangered.

Jan has called someone a Jew Boy and posted his complete
name address and phone number telling people not to do
business with him. He then stopped posting here. Now Jan is
trying to reveal that another poster is really him. Jan
tries to find out and reveal the true identity of people who
want to post anonymously. Some might decide that they don't
want their true identity known and stop posting.

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Having people's email accounts closed may not stop
everyone, but in some cases it can cause serious
difficulties.

Jan and her enablers have repeatedly contacted my ISP making
false accusations that I am stalking and trying to get my
account closed.

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Repeated references made to posters' race or ethnicity,
religion, marital status, gender and orientation,
occupation and other such personal details, particularly
when accompanied by derogation, would effectively drive
away some people.

This is true although ultimately if someone really wants to
post here they can find a way. But some people can make it
very difficult for you.

This is a group to discuss alternative medicine pro and con.
Whenever anyone expresses con (skepticism) Jan Drew
immediately attacks them and tries by whatever means (see
above) to squelch their opinion. She must be confronted
about this.

I really appreciate Toby confronting her because it is rare
for someone allied with alternative medicine to confront
another pro-alt person. This demonstrates great integrity of
Toby and willingness to tolerate the possible consequences
(see above) of criticizing Jan. Kudos to Toby.

Aloha,

Rich

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Do you really believe that "No one can stop you
posting here"?

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:28:59 -0330, "RB" <[email hidden]>

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You were right Jan. There's Rich already.

And I will continue to debunk her [censored] claims.
Deal with it.

It is noted that all you do is attack me and defend Jan
Drew. I posted my opinion that Jan did not have mercury
poisoning by amalgams. I used Jan's own words and her
history and presented by her to support my opinion. To this
point not a single person has been able to refute my
opinion. ONly attacks. Sad that.

Thanx for including my entire post below explaining my
reasoning.

Aloha,

Rich

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On 12 Mar 2004 04:41:42 GMT, [email hidden]

(Jan) said:

*IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK
THE TEETH!

NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who
KNOWS the dangers of

metal

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in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct
protocol.

I did, it saved my life.

The power of the mind to cause dis-ease is legendary.
The power of the mind to reverse dis-ease and create a
sense of well being is equally legendary.

With the above words as introduction I present what I
believe is overwhelming evidence that Jan Drew's
deterioration in health with respect to her peripheral
neuropathy was directly related to her reading Hulda
Clark's books and had absolutely NOTHING to do with
mercury poisoning. Note clearly that I am not claiming
that amalgams cannot cause mercury poisoning. I AM
asserting that this clearly was NOT the case with Jan
Drew as she repeatedly claims.

But I will allow Jan Drew to tell you in her own words:

On March 4, 1999 Jan Drew made the following post to
usenet (my comments will follow the complete QUOTED
VERBATIM post):

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I have layered problems. Peripheral neuropathy,
parasites, my immune

system is

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very weak, a antioxidant disfunction, system is low in
glutamine,

insitol,

Quoted message said:

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glucose-insulin interaction, fructose intolerance and
the list goes on.

At age

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43 I started having headaches and had one everyday all
day for 12 years.

I was

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a patient at Diamond Headache Clinic for 15 years, if
took them 10 years

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

find what drug helped me. The list of drugs I tried was
2 pages long. I

believe

Quoted message said:

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all those meds made my system toxic, then the
parasites(they love toxins)

next

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to go was my digestion, bowel problems. I hate to take
all this space

telling

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you all I have tried. I had not seen or heard of Hulda
for years, didn't

know

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she had written any books. When I became aware of that,
I read them. I

can

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understand why people are doubtful, and I am not sure I
agree with all

she

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says, but I do know that the zapper , the kidney cleanse
(which took away

all

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the burning & stinging-terrible pain in my feet) & the
liver cleanse

works. I

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used Now products for the parasites before I learned
that Hulda had her

own

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products. They helped me, but I didn't pass any large
ones until I

started on

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Hulda's products. I had doctored with her in the past
with good results,

thus

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my confidence was already established. I truly believe
the parasites are

the

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reason for all the problems. My brother is a foot
doctor, he also

believes

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they are. My experience with MD's was not good. I
finally had more test

done at

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the Florida Institute of Health (alternative) they did
more in one day

than the

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MD's had learned in 2 years.

I hope you can now understand why AF, HD, and Yarrow
have really upset

me. I am

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happy for them if they have found relief, but are so
close minded about

any

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opinion other than their own, and the name calling and
hate words

displayed are

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completely absurd.

Jan

Comments:

There are a number of noteworthy observations to make:

1) Notice that Jan expresses the belief that ALL of her
problems are due to parasites (I wonder where she got
THAT idea).

2) Notice that Jan believed that the cleanses got rid of
the parasites that she believed were causing ALL the
problems.

3) Notice especially how Jan reports that following the
cleanse that the burning, stinging pain went away
COMPLETELY.

4) Notice the absence of ANY discussion about mercury
poisoning, amalgams, etc. (This is because she had not
yet read about it in Hulda's books..... she only got
to the parasite section at this point)

5) Notice the absence of Jan believing that her health
was rapidly deteriorating and that she was close to
death. In fact just the opposite was true on March 4,
1999; Jan believed that she was regaining her health
because the cleanse had gotten rid of the parasites.
And it was Hulda's special cleanse that REALLY did the
trick in her mind.

Now this was Jan's state of mind on March 4, 1999

On June 16, 1999 about three and a half months later Jan
reported that her health had been rapidly deteriorating
for MONTHS, that she could not go line dancing due to the
excruciating pain, and that she was convinced that she
had mercury poisoning secondary to amalgams and was close
to death.

What a dramatic deterioration in her health!!!!!!!!!!!!

On March 4. 1999 she felt pretty good. On June 16, 1999
she thought she was dying. That is not even four months
later!!!!

Now what caused this rapid decline in her health???

Days or weeks after making the March 4th post Jan read
about the amalgam, mercury, PN connection in one of Hulda
Clark's books. The more she read, the more convinced she
became that her amalgams were leeching mercury which
caused her PN. And the more she believed it, the more
concerned she became. Anxiety, depression, obsessive
worrying then likely caused an exacerbation of her
symptoms of PN to the point where she thought she was
going to die. You see Jan was already completely
convinced that Hulda was right about the parasites. It
did not take much to convince her that Hulda was right
about the amalgams too.

And then June 17, 1999 she had some amalgams removed.

On June 17, 1999 Jan posted to usenet:

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>I have peripheral neuropathy, and have been searching
>for a cause for

over a

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>year. I have read Hulda Clark's books where she
>mentions the mercury

problem. I

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>am only 35 miles from the dentist who sh is speaking
>with in her book.

Dr.

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>Frank Jerome, who has written "Tooth Truth", a very
>enlightening book. I

had my

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>first appointment today and 1/4 of my mouth is now
>mercury free. I go

back

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>tomorrow to get another 1/4 done. Later, I will get my
>only root canal

pulled.

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>I truly beleive this is the cause of my problems. If
>you have a

condition that

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>the doctors can't find, it is wise to suspect the
>teeth.
>
>Thanks Again,
>
>Jan

On June 18, 1999 she had some more removed and on that
same day reports that she felt better than she had in
two years!!

Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to
usenet

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>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral
>neuropathy. I have

found a

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>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams
>are very

dangerous. They

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>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and
>put in

composities. I

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>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come
>out in a few

weeks,

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>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
>If an individual has read on this subject and is
>knowledgable, he will

take

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>care of you. He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it
>like it is. He tells how the

ADA has

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>covered up this problem. So, it is just a matter of
>finding the right dentist. He has people

flying in

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>from all over to get the work done. I believe the
>mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better

today that

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>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to
>getting the rest

of the

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>mercury out and the root canal pulled. Jan

When Jan was asked how she could feel better than she
had in two years she said that it was because she felt
relief that ALL the amalgams had been removed and that
her bill was paid off. This was clearly a LIE since Jan
still had some amalgams left and according to her would
not have them out for another few weeks.

Here are her exact words:

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Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had
in two years.

That was

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very true. I had been very very ill and my health was
deteriorating fast.

After

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much reading and research I was convinced it was my
teeth. I wasn't

absolutely

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positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew
I had to do

something.

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It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very
stressful. Finally all the work was done, the metal was
out, the bill was paid, I

didn't

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have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a
rubber dam in my mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very
relieved. A big big burden was

lifted.

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That makes one FEEL BETTER.

What's so hard to understand?

Notice closely how Jan originally claims that she felt
better than she did in two years BEFORE all the work was
done. According to her the work would not be completed
for another few weeks!!!

And when I confronted her about this contradiction

Jan said:

I wasn't talking to you. Jan

Obviously Jan sees no problem telling one person one
thing and then contradicting herself by telling someone
else something quite different!! This alone suggests
serious credibility issues with Jan Drew.

Remember that on March 4, 1999 she felt pretty good. But
after having three quarters of her amalgams removed she
felt even better than that. And a week later she was able
to go line dancing for the first time in months.

Discussion (opinion):

The most likely explanation IMO for Jan Drew's
improvement are psychologic factors.

I believe that the deterioration in her health was
largely due to her worrying and obsessing about her being
poisoned by mercury due to buying into the idea that the
amalgams were causing her health problems. This also
occurred when she thought she was infested with
parasites.

I also believe that the improvement in her health was
largely due to her relief that she finally was getting
rid of what she believed was causing her problem. She had
a similar response after having a cleanse that she
believed got rid of parasites.

IOW I believe that Jan Drew is an excellent example of
the power of placebo and that her history is consistent
with psychologic factors affecting physical illness
although I recommend competent health professional to
evaluate her for a more definitive opinion.

I have no doubt that her mercury level is declining.
After all she had all her amalgams removed. The question
is whether at the highest level was the mercury level
causing any significant health problems for Jan Drew. Jan
certainly believes that it was. Her history, IMO,
strongly suggests otherwise.

I predict that Jan will respond to this post in one of
the following:

1)She will ignore it and/or put me in her kill file
2) She will snip most of what I say and accuse me of
lying without specifically saying what I lied about
3) She will divert from the topic by accusing me of
various things including but not limited to a)hiking
in the nude b) using her parents to belittle her,
c)being obsessed with her, d) calling me a Jew-boy,
pervert or some other creative insult from Jan "it is
NEVER right to belittle" Drew. Perhaps she will wish
some disability on me.

What she will NOT do is

1) Discuss the subject in a reasonable fashion
2) Point out any lies that she continues to accuse me of

What she will likely end up doing is violating two of the
Ten Commandments:

1) Thou shalt not lie (she does this when she accuses me
of lying with respect to her history as I provided it
WITH direct citations from Jan)

2) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
(again doing this by accusing me of various things
such as lying and/or stalking).

And finally if you have unanswered health problems my
suggestion is to NOT take the advice of Jan Drew. And if
you are foolish enough to listen to her please don't say
that I did not warn you.

Aloha,

Rich

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"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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"RB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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And just how long has LIAR Kim known Jan for?

I see the game here RB. Anyone who questions anything this
Jan character posts is a liar. Anyone who doesn't believe
her every utterance is a

liar.

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Anyone who doubts at all is a liar. Anyone who doesn't
claim all MDs are quacks is a liar.... in short everyone
here is a liar. Correct?

No.

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For someone that wants to

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judge Jan as Kim does,

Oh, did I judge her? Did I call her a liar? Strange - I
can't find one post where I called her a liar or "judged"
her in any way. However I do have an opinion of her and
her sycophants here on this NG.

-- Blithering idiotic blather snipped. --

And just how long has LIAR Kim known Jan for? For someone
that wants to judge Jan as Kim does, she should get to know
her better first before she agrees with every word that Rich
types. It's so obvious by Kim's agenda against Jan that Kim
was manifested by Rich the mentally deranged stalker that
one wonders if Rich believes he is fooling anybody but Hawki
and Doug as to why the persona known as Kim was
manifested(To stalk Jan)!???

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<[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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Kim said:

But no one can stop you from posting here.

Are you sure about that? They can at least make the price
so high in real life terms that it is beyond the means of
many. For example, contacting someone's employer? (So
someone said recently) That would be a deterrent to many.

Yes it would - but it's my understanding your employer has
nothing to say about what you do on or with your own
computer in the privacy of your own home. What you do on
THEIR computer during working hours is another matter. Since
I'm retired she can't do much about what I do on my PC.

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Threats to contact someone's family? (If it became obvious
that someone would act in that way, this would necessarily
deter many.) Revealing personal information about the
poster, their family, their occupation or other, or even
threatening to do so while making it clear they would
follow through, would deter some, in particular if others

could

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thereby be endangered.

This is BLACKMAIL!

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Having people's email accounts closed may not stop
everyone, but in some cases it can cause serious
difficulties.

Any ISP who would close an account because of what you post
here doesn't deserve your business. I know that's a radical
point of view but it's very true. We don't need censorship
and few ISPs want to get into censoring their customers.
Spamming is abuse and another matter altogether. If anyone
is threatened by another poster they should keep all copies
with headers. First send them to the offender's ISP and then
go from there if they do not co-operate.

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Repeated references made to posters' race or ethnicity,
religion, marital status, gender and orientation,
occupation and other such personal details, particularly
when accompanied by derogation, would effectively drive
away some people.

Do you really believe that "No one can stop you
posting here"?

I suppose some people will be intimidated. Not everyone is
easily intimidated though. Not everyone has things they
don't want made public. Not everyone posts from their place
of employment. Most people can have their old posts removed
from Google and other places that store them. They can
"mung" their address as I do. People shouldn't mention where
they work, worked or where they lived or now live. And it's
totally crazy to post your real name or e-mail address here
on the Internet. There are too many crack-pots out there
looking for people to victimize. I know, I already ran into
two of them.

Kim

"Mark Probert-March 12, 2004" <Mark [email hidden]> wrote
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"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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That's what I'm wondering. Why would she CARE about my
e-mail or IP

address

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"not matching up." Matching up with what?

==========================

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She'll want you investigated if you keep asking. She will
report you to

the

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NetKops if you do not watch out.

Careful, Debbee is Dangerous.

===========================
She can report me to the CIA and the FBI for all I care. I'm
not doing anything illegal and have nothing to hide. I'm not
even a spammer.

Kim

"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Kim said:

Kim posing as Kim, aka Kim, Certified as Kim - Kim
since 1945

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Crazy? We are just warming up!

Have you met Todd and Carole?

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I haven't seen a Carole I don't think, and Todd seems very
into women's vaginas being closed up to 30%.

Kim

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Kim said:

Kim posing as Kim, aka Kim, Certified as Kim - Kim
since 1945

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Crazy? We are just warming up!

Have you met Todd and Carole?

=============================
I haven't seen a Carole I don't think, and Todd seems very
into women's vaginas being closed up to 30%.

That is why they are only closed to 30%.

(Ilsa9.11) said:

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"DEBBEE1023" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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<< If she's posting things that can harm others or
possibly cost them their long term health or lives then
perhaps it should be questioned. >>

And you should be questioned for talking about things
for which you have

no

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personal knowledge in the first place.....

<< I don't agree with her beliefs that a magic zapper
exists that kills non-existent parasites that cause all
disease. Are we not supposed to question such things
here? >>

Good for you.

<< Then just KILLFILE me if I'm making this an INDECENT
group. What's

your

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problem? >>

The problem I have with you...is that your internet
addresses don't match up.....

Debbee did you ever consider that it may be Rich posting
as Kim?

No, because Rich is Debbee. (A little retrospective
paranoia for the MHA regulars...)

Then who is "The Eggman" ?

(Ilsa9.11) said:

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"DEBBEE1023" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

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<< If she's posting things that can harm others or
possibly cost them their long term health or lives then
perhaps it should be questioned. >>

And you should be questioned for talking about things
for which you have

no

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personal knowledge in the first place.....

<< I don't agree with her beliefs that a magic zapper
exists that kills non-existent parasites that cause all
disease. Are we not supposed to question such things
here? >>

Good for you.

<< Then just KILLFILE me if I'm making this an INDECENT
group. What's

your

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problem? >>

The problem I have with you...is that your internet
addresses don't match up.....

Debbee did you ever consider that it may be Rich posting
as Kim?

No, because Rich is Debbee. (A little retrospective
paranoia for the MHA regulars...)

Indeed. Whatever happened to Karuna?? Could those demons
finally have gotten her??

Aloha,

Rich

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: to Jan
From: [email hidden]
Date: 3/11/2004 10:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan"
<[email hidden]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: to Jan

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Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004
3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <0K-dndFzbOh-
[email hidden]>

[snip]

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*Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
personal conflicts
> between the posters here. I'm simply looking for
> answers.*

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Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

L Y I N G

Then stop.

I never started.

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For example,

"I have never snipped to change the meaning. I don't play
nonsense games, rather I am straight forward."

No lie there as I have NEVER snipped to change the meaning
of any post.

If you will notice everyone snips to the point they
are making.

Sorry you have fallen for this lie from the *gang*.

Jan

The *gang* will be sure to follow, just watch *;*

(Jan) said:

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"I have never snipped to change the meaning. I don't play
nonsense games, rather I am straight forward."

No lie there as I have NEVER snipped to change the meaning
of any post.

If you will notice everyone snips to the point they
are making.

Yes they do. However Jan snips to change the meaning.
For example the following just YESTERDAY!! How quickly
they forget:

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Biblical lesson for Jan From: WB
[email hidden] Date: 2/25/2004 10:37 AM Pacific
Standard Time Message-id:
<[email hidden]>

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I have never snipped to change the meaning. I don't play
nonsense games, rather I am straight forward.

And then Jan posts the following:

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: Crucifying Alternative Medicine From: "Kim"
[email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004 12:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Rich.@.> wrote in message

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believe she uses

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she can logically

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Jan cannot

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she call people

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but she does

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I noticed this in the past few days

LOLOLOL!!!!!

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First of all she does not

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she just says

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she does

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if she did

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she certainly

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Jan uses

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bash the person

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Yes, ....

*Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any personal
conflicts

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between
> >the posters here. I'm simply looking for answers.*

Now let me restore the complete post for all to see how Jan
never snips to change meaning:

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<Rich.@.> wrote in message
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Actually I don't really think that she is necessarily
paranoid. I used to think she was. Now I believe she uses
the term liar to discredit a person with whom she can
logically dispute what they say. You see when Jan cannot
counter a point logically she screams "liar". Not only
does she call people liars but she claims that she proves
all lies with the poster's own word, but she does not.

I noticed this in the past few days, Her posts are also
boring and repetitious. Who would care what one poster
thinks of others on the NG? This is Usenet after all.......

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Allow me to make a suggestion. Do yourself and everyone
else a favor. Killfile everyone on the NG who you
believe to be liars before you have a stroke or heart
attack.

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That does not work. First of all she does not put people
in kill files. She just says that she does. Secondly even
if she did put people in kill files, she certainly does
not ignore these people. Whenever anyone responds to some
in her alleged kill file, Jan uses that opportunity to
bash the person.

Yes, .... and [censored] to me that she SAW someone else's
post because I reposted it in a reply. That's MY BUSINESS
not hers or anyone else's here. I almost always include at
least part of the other person's post I'm replying to. I
assume she was suggesting I don't reply to certain people
here least she happen to see their post - how crazy!

Kim

No Jan does not selectively snip to change the meaning. She
is STRAIGHT FORWARD. Lord have mercy.

Aloha,

Rich

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Sorry you have fallen for this lie from the *gang*.

There is no lie from the gang. There is however a lie from
the Jan. No surprise there from the woman who screams liar
the most and lies the most. Sad that.

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Jan

The *gang* will be sure to follow, just watch *;*

Glad I did not disappoint Jan.

Aloha,

Rich

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: to Jan
From: Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
Date: 3/12/2004 4:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan"
<[email hidden]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: to Jan

Quoted message said:

>Subject: to Jan From: "Kim" [email hidden] Date: 3/11/2004
>3:27 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <0K-dndFzbOh-
>[email hidden]>

[snip]

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> *Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
> personal conflicts
>> between the posters here. I'm simply looking for
>> answers.*

>Stop what? What is it exactly YOU want stopped?

L Y I N G

Then stop.

For example,

"I have never snipped to change the meaning. I don't play
nonsense games, rather I am straight forward."

Oh, Toby, you are in deep [censored] now. I hope you're not
an atheist

How wrong you are, it matters not what he is. However the
Jews, atheists Australian Jew (that's news to me) do tell a
lot of lies here as well as deceiving.

As for Catholics, I have never mentioned them, so you are
lying again.

I have NOT lied, I have NEVER snipped any post to change
it's meaning. We see others snip to the point they are
making (without mentioning it, BTW) and nobody thinks a
thing of it. This lie was started by YOU because you are
desperate.

Sad that Toby believes it.

Jan

(Jan) said:

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Oh, Toby, you are in deep [censored] now. I hope you're not
an atheist

Quoted message said:

How wrong you are, it matters not what he is. However the
Jews, atheists Australian Jew (that's news to me) do tell a
lot of lies here as well as deceiving.

Australian Jew is news to Jan?? Jan must lead a very
sheltered life. I wonder if Jan knows that there are a large
group of Blacks who are Jewish.

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As for Catholics, I have never mentioned them, so you are
lying again.

Lying?? He said I hope you are not an atheist Catholic
atheist Australian Jew. Where is the lie, liar??

Quoted message said:

You also call them "queer" and "homos" and suggested that
[censored] activity affected someone's mind. But Jan is not
hostile toward gays:-)) She just wants to blame her own
misguided hatred on God.

I wonder what Jan thinks about that. Cue Jan to accuse me of
diversion. Jan is selective about which biblical passages
she endorses.

Quoted message said:

I have NOT lied, I have NEVER snipped any post to change
it's meaning.

Perhaps Jan is suffering from multiple personality disorder
and is amnestic for her doing this. Nah, she is just a
pathologic liar.

Quoted message said:

We see others snip to the point they are making (without
mentioning it, BTW) and nobody thinks a thing of it. This
lie was started by YOU because you are desperate.

Sad that Toby believes it.

Seeing is believing. The eyes do not lie. Sadly Jan does.
Over and over and over and over again.

Aloha,

Rich

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I haven't seen one of Jan's posts for almost a year now.

What is the problem with these control freaks that they have
to attack everything they do not understand...fear...just
fear of wht they do not understand. If it was even done
politely, but the ridicule and ridiculous [censored] they pull
just to keep her talking and why? So they can destroy their
enemies like a sick bunch of jackasses.

Grow up and put her on ignore. Is that so hard or do you
have to control the world too?

"Kim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QMSdnV6_3qfVtszdRVn-
[email hidden]...

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"Gymmy Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UcidneBvTMqzZs3dRVn-
[email hidden]...

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Kim, Forget it, This is the result of these idiots
picking at this woman

for

Quoted message said:

years, tearing apart everything she says, picking at
every word in the

hope

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to make their poor insecure souls feel better.

They don't come across as insecure to me. Nor does Ms Jan.
I haven't

been

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here long enough to know *what* she's posting that other's
are picking apart. If she's posting things that can harm
others or possibly cost them their long term health or
lives then perhaps it should be questioned. Do you agree?
Or do you feel anything should be fair game to be posted

here?

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Where do YOU stand on this?

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I do not agree with most of Jan's stuff but her,

I don't agree with her beliefs that a magic zapper exists
that kills non-existent parasites that cause all disease.
Are we not supposed to question such things here?

and her disciples, on

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killfilter makes this a decent group until YOU came
along and tried to

once

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again solve this. You have become a troll. Let it go.

Then just KILLFILE me if I'm making this an INDECENT
group. What's your problem?

Kim