doping scandal

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Apparently several US track athletes have tested positive for a previously undetectable anabolic
steriod TGH (tetrahydrogestrinone):

story.news.yahoo.comnewsOpen ↗

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The story says that the athletes old urine samples were retested after the US Anti-Doping Agency
received an anonymous tip.

Here's some more on the story from Track and Field News:

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Sadly, it sounds like this is going to be a BIG DEAL.

Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

(Lyndon) said:

Quoted message said:

Apparently several US track athletes have tested positive for a previously undetectable anabolic
steriod TGH (tetrahydrogestrinone):

story.news.yahoo.comnewsOpen ↗

es_steroids

Quoted message said:

The story says that the athletes old urine samples were retested after the US Anti-Doping Agency
received an anonymous tip.

Here's some more on the story from Track and Field News:

trackandfieldnews.comdisplayArticle.jspOpen ↗

You know, after reading about how much this BS is costing us, I'd suggest dropping all doping rules,
let the fools shoot up heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, anything they want. Then when the dopers
are all dead (in a couple of weeks) we can donate that load of cash to the homeless.

Lasse said:

You know, after reading about how much this BS is costing us, I'd suggest dropping all doping
rules, let the fools shoot up heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, anything they want. Then when the
dopers are all dead (in a couple of weeks) we can donate that load of cash to the homeless.

"He's pulling away on the final corner -- He's going to SMASH the world record. OH MY GOD HIS NECK
JUST EXPLODED. THERE'S BLOOD ALL OVER!!!"

"That's right, Vern. Looks like he peaked 100 m. too early. What a shame."

Scott

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You know, after reading about how much this BS is costing us, I'd suggest dropping all doping
rules, let the fools shoot up heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, anything they want. Then when the
dopers are all dead (in a couple of weeks) we can donate that load of cash to the homeless.

There's actually a theory that suggests we should do that in all aspects of life, not just in
matters appertaining to athletics. As a devotee of John Stuart Mill, I feel that this idea has much
to commend it. Freedom to live and die as you would wish should be a basic human choice. As long as
the addict does society no harm before he expires why should we stand in his way?

Make drugs available to all on demand. I'll have two aspirin.

Roger.

its a shame more politicians can't think like you.

It would save billions if we let people do as they please, as long as they harm no one else. Thats
the clause, as long as you hurt no one else. If you want to [censored] off all day, go ahead, i don't
care. You want to shoot up heroin, just don't break into my house for money.

At the same time though, it is neccessary to provide support for those who want to stop habits that
may be interfering with their lives. If the chronic masturbator wants some counseling we should
provide it. Just as the druggie should receive some help for kicking his or her habit.

Why don't they have two categories of athletes, a doped and non-doped? They do this in professional
body building. I would assume it could work in running, cycling, etc. You can world records for both
divisions. I think its a good idea.

Joe

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You know, after reading about how much this BS is costing us, I'd suggest dropping all doping
rules, let the fools shoot up heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, anything they want. Then when
the dopers are all dead (in a couple of weeks) we can donate that load of cash to the homeless.

There's actually a theory that suggests we should do that in all aspects

of

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life, not just in matters appertaining to athletics. As a devotee of

John

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Stuart Mill, I feel that this idea has much to commend it. Freedom to

live

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and die as you would wish should be a basic human choice. As long as the addict does society no
harm before he expires why should we stand in his way?

Make drugs available to all on demand. I'll have two aspirin.

Roger.

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its a shame more politicians can't think like you.

It's a shame more *people* don't think like *us*.

Yunno, Joeblow, I think that between us we could put the world to rights in a morning, and still
have time for a slow ten-miler before indulging in a spot of lunch. Seriously, we could do it. Sad
thing is, all we'll ever be is two nonentities on an irrelevant newsgroup while the world marches
happily onwards, led by the insane and the damned.

Roger.

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You know, after reading about how much this BS is costing us, I'd suggest dropping all doping
rules, let the fools shoot up heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, anything they want. Then when the
dopers are all dead (in a couple of weeks) we can donate that load of cash to the homeless.

There's actually a theory that suggests we should do that in all aspects of life, not just in
matters appertaining to athletics. As a devotee of John Stuart Mill, I feel that this idea has much
to commend it. Freedom to live and die as you would wish should be a basic human choice. As long as
the addict does society no harm before he expires why should we stand in his way?

Make drugs available to all on demand. I'll have two aspirin.

I could go for several hundred lines.

apusapus said:

There's actually a theory that suggests we should do that

I know stupid, I posted it a few hours ago, remember?

The tip was not anoymous; USADA is just reporting the coach who provided the information
and the vile.

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Quoted message said:

Apparently several US track athletes have tested positive for a previously undetectable anabolic
steriod TGH (tetrahydrogestrinone):

story.news.yahoo.comnewsOpen ↗

es_steroids

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The story says that the athletes old urine samples were retested after the US Anti-Doping Agency
received an anonymous tip.

Here's some more on the story from Track and Field News:

trackandfieldnews.comdisplayArticle.jspOpen ↗

Sadly, it sounds like this is going to be a BIG DEAL.

Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track

Coach

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Brooks Johnson

Lasse said:

You know, after reading about how much this BS is costing us, I'd suggest dropping all doping
rules, let the fools shoot up heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, anything they want. Then when the
dopers are all dead (in a couple of weeks) we can donate that load of cash to the homeless.

For society in general, I'm for the legalisation of all drugs. At a stroke this would deal with many
of the problems of dependance, boost the economies of third world countries, create new
opportunities for taxation for governments and generally be a good thing all round.

The touble with allowing the use of performance enhancing drugs in sport is that as soon as you make
it permissable, you effectively make it compulsary. If an athlete *has* to take drugs to succeed and
success is what makes good television, then by watching athletes who have to take drugs I become
complicit in that compulsion. That's not something I'm comfortable with.

Tim

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That's not something I'm comfortable with.

No, Timothy. What you meant to say was;

"That is not something with which I am comfortable."

Roger.

This is the web site of Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, which is said to be involved in
the doping:

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They were raided by the Internal Revenue Service and San Mateo County Narcotics police in September.

I agree, it should ALL be legal Let the good times roll baby!

Tim Downie said:

Lasse said:

You know, after reading about how much this BS is costing us, I'd suggest dropping all doping
rules, let the fools shoot up heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, anything they want. Then when the
dopers are all dead (in a couple of weeks) we can donate that load of cash to the homeless.

For society in general, I'm for the legalisation of all drugs. At a stroke this would deal with
many of the problems of dependance, boost the economies of third world countries, create new
opportunities for taxation for governments and generally be a good thing all round.

The touble with allowing the use of performance enhancing drugs in sport is that as soon as you
make it permissable, you effectively make it compulsary. If an athlete *has* to take drugs to
succeed and success is what makes good television, then by watching athletes who have to take drugs
I become complicit in that compulsion. That's not something I'm comfortable with.

Tim

apusapus said:

There's actually a theory that suggests we should do that in all aspects of life, not just in
matters appertaining to athletics. [...] Freedom to live and die as you would wish should be a
basic human choice. As long as the addict does society no harm before he expires why should we
stand in his way?

What people choose to do in their private life is a very separate issue to what people do in a
competitive environment like athletics. By giving them choice, if just one person does it then they
all will have to do it to remain competitive. One person's choice becomes a forced issue for
everybody else whether they want to do it or not. That's hardly fair now, is it? I'm against doping
in athletics... and if this turns out to be true then I hope the cheating scum in US team get
punished properly with more than a slap on the wrist. I don't like cheats in any walk of life.
There's no excuse for it.

Malc

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That's not something I'm comfortable with.

No, Timothy. What you meant to say was;

"That is not something with which I am comfortable."

Ooo, this is fun. Let me guess what you meant....

"I'm a smartarse with too much time on my hands...."?

Tim

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Lasse said:

You know, after reading about how much this BS is costing us, I'd suggest dropping all doping
rules, let the fools shoot up heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, anything they want. Then when
the dopers are all dead (in a couple of weeks) we can donate that load of cash to the homeless.

For society in general, I'm for the legalisation of all drugs. At a

stroke

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this would deal with many of the problems of dependance, boost the

economies

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of third world countries, create new opportunities for taxation for governments and generally be a
good thing all round.

Tim, glad to see someone else here agreeing with me on this. The crimes committed to gain
money for illicit drug use would dry up since the price would plummet. When was the last
time a person robbed a house to get money for Madd Dogg?

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The touble with allowing the use of performance enhancing drugs in sport

is

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that as soon as you make it permissable, you effectively make it

compulsary.

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If an athlete *has* to take drugs to succeed and success is what makes

good

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television, then by watching athletes who have to take drugs I become complicit in that
compulsion. That's not something I'm comfortable with.

Just because something is legal in society does not mean its use cannot be restricted.
Pilots would not be allowed to take drugs and fly; athletes could still be prohibited from
using. Many of the things on the banned "list" are perfectly legal and do not need a
prescription.

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Tim

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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:42:06 -0400, Malcolm Ferguson

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I don't like cheats in any walk of life. There's no excuse for it.

Malc

Does that mean you're going to tell my wife?

Is it really a scandal if no one cares?

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"I'm a smartarse with too much time on my hands...."?

Possibly. Or it could be my way of saying that for a supposedly well-educated person you demonstrate
a remarkable ineptitude for your native language. Are we to suppose that you demonstrate(d) a
similar level of competence in your professional, personal and sporting life? Probably a step too
far, but it does make me wonder...

Roger.