Doping Scandal--the next wave

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Top British Sprinter Dwain Chambers has tested positive for the designer steroid THG:

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The Washington Post is reporting that Regina Jacobs is the third athlete to be identified as
testing positive.

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The worst fears are starting to materialize.

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Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach Brooks Johnson

---I'm not too surprised with Jacobs testing positive, she's been raising eyebrows for years now. It
makes you wonder just how long this steroid has been around...she's 40 now, years past when most
people slow down dramatically. Maybe this has already been going on for 4-6 years??? Her indoor
record was certified the same day as the drug bust came out. I wonder if they will find a way to
strip it from her now, they should. Personally I think if you are EVER busted for drugs, all your
records should be erased. Boulami set a steeplechase record only months before he was banned for
EPO. ANdy Hass

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The Washington Post is reporting that Regina Jacobs is the third athlete to

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identified as testing positive.

Sorry, I dont consider a cheater be an athlete. No difference in my mind than Rosie Rusz who used
the subway to "win" the NY marathon.

i would be very curious to see the drug tests of paula radcliff. i wonder if she is on something
based on her recent times in the marathon and especially seeing that she is fairly new at running
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Lyndon said:

Top British Sprinter Dwain Chambers has tested positive for the designer steroid THG:

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The Washington Post is reporting that Regina Jacobs is the third athlete

to be

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identified as testing positive.

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The worst fears are starting to materialize.

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Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track

Coach

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Brooks Johnson

---I'm not too surprised with Jacobs testing positive, she's been raising eyebrows for years now.
It makes you wonder just how long this steroid

has

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been around...she's 40 now, years past when most people slow down

dramatically.

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Maybe this has already been going on for 4-6 years??? Her indoor record was certified the same day
as the drug bust came out. I wonder if they will find a way to strip it from her now, they should.
Personally I think if you are EVER busted for drugs, all your records

should

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be erased. Boulami set a steeplechase record only months before he was banned for EPO. ANdy Hass

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Personally I think if you are EVER busted for drugs, all your records should be erased.

I am totally with you on this one. Take away the Olympic and World Championship medals too.
Right now the price for getting caught in way too low compared to the possible benefits derived
from cheating.

Paul

dwjones said:

i would be very curious to see the drug tests of paula radcliff. i wonder if she is on something
based on her recent times in the marathon and especially seeing that she is fairly new at running
that distance

You may be right, although I sincerely hope you're not. This is the real tragedy of all this
business with drugs, though - it immediately makes people (for understandable reasons) question
anyone's achievement. Anyone who does particularly well will then be treated not as an outstanding
athlete who has conquered the world, but as a likely cheat. It's so sad.

J.

I doubt if Paula will test positive - she's been so insistant about storing her blood samples to be
tested at any future date for any newly traceable substances that she'd have to be a total moron to
think she could get away with anything in the long term. Judging from her level-headed,
down-to-earth live interviews, neither does she appear to have the kind of psychotic need for
supreme performance that drives some athletes to improve their times by using supplements. I have a
feeling that she doesn't use cocktails of supplements at all (have I read this somewhere?). Jonathan
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i would be very curious to see the drug tests of paula radcliff. i wonder

if

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she is on something based on her recent times in the marathon and

especially

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Lyndon said:

Top British Sprinter Dwain Chambers has tested positive for the

designer

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steroid THG:

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The Washington Post is reporting that Regina Jacobs is the third

athlete

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to be

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identified as testing positive.

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The worst fears are starting to materialize.

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Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track

Coach

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Brooks Johnson

---I'm not too surprised with Jacobs testing positive, she's been

raising

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eyebrows for years now. It makes you wonder just how long this steroid

has

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been around...she's 40 now, years past when most people slow down

dramatically.

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Maybe this has already been going on for 4-6 years??? Her indoor record was certified the same
day as the drug bust came

out.

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I wonder if they will find a way to strip it from her now, they should. Personally I think if
you are EVER busted for drugs, all your records

should

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be erased. Boulami set a steeplechase record only months before he was banned for EPO. ANdy Hass

Jonathan Sydenham said:

I doubt if Paula will test positive - she's been so insistant about storing her blood samples to be
tested at any future date for any newly traceable substances that she'd have to be a total moron to
think she could get away with anything in the long term.

She filters out the offending substances, and in some cases uses "clean blood" from someone like
myself, who she's asked several times to donate.

dwjones said:

i would be very curious to see the drug tests of paula radcliff. i wonder if she is on something
based on her recent times in the marathon and especially seeing that she is fairly new at running
that distance

--She has frozen blood samples so they can be tested in the future as new tests come online as a way
to prove she is clean. This would seem to be suicide if she was doping. Andy Hass

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i would be very curious to see the drug tests of paula radcliff. i wonder if she is on something
based on her recent times in the marathon and especially seeing that she is fairly new at running
that distance

Most elites run their best marathons when they are "fairly new at running that distance".

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Jonathan Sydenham said:

I doubt if Paula will test positive - she's been so insistant about

storing

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her blood samples to be tested at any future date for any newly traceable substances that she'd
have to be a total moron to think she could get

away

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with anything in the long term.

She filters out the offending substances, and in some cases uses "clean blood" from someone like
myself, who she's asked several times to donate.

Hugh G. Reckshun said:

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i would be very curious to see the drug tests of paula radcliff.

She is absolutely, without question, NOT running 2:15 on Wheaties and training alone.

There will always be those that cheat and taint the sport but I hope
I/ we never get so skeptical we make blanket statements such at this.

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But who knows if she will ever test positive. Geb never has. Flo Jo never did. El G never has.
Michael Johnson never did. Marita Koch never did. Jarmilla never did...

Does this negate the previous negativity or are you really saying they have yet to be caught? Never
mind, rhetorical.

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(Hugh G. Reckshun) said:

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From: "dwjones" [email hidden]

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i would be very curious to see the drug tests of paula radcliff.

She is absolutely, without question, NOT running 2:15 on Wheaties and training alone.

But who knows if she will ever test positive. Geb never has. Flo Jo never did. El G never has.
Michael Johnson never did. Marita Koch never did. Jarmilla never did...

So are you suggesting that anyone who has stood out above the rest of the field in athletics in
recent years was probably cheating and just wasn't caught?

J.

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>i would be very curious to see the drug tests of paula radcliff.

She is absolutely, without question, NOT running 2:15 on Wheaties and

training

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alone.

Does anyone have any data on how much improvement is possible with various forms of doping? Or, to
put it another way, if Regina Jacobs could run 4:00 for 1500 on steroids (say), could she run 4:05
clean? 4:10?

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(Hugh G. Reckshun) said:

or similar drug) enhanced... AND SO ON...

So what is it we KNOW about white, English, female, endurance runners?

(Hugh G. Reckshun) said:

She is absolutely, without question, NOT running 2:15 on Wheaties and training alone.

How do you know? What's the rationale behind your "absolutely". Any "absolutely" worth its salt has
some massive backup arguments. Care to throw us some tidbits?

Hugh G. Reckshun said:

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(Hugh G. Reckshun) said:

She is absolutely, without question, NOT running 2:15 on Wheaties and

training

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alone.

How do you know? What's the rationale behind your "absolutely". Any "absolutely" worth its salt
has some massive backup arguments. Care to throw us some tidbits?

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You might wish to take a look at Female marathon WRs throughout the past 25 years, as well as PR's
best times until her recent Flo-Jo-like transformation from very very good runner to Not Of This
Earth Superwoman.

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I'm sure you'll get it.

---Actually, she started out running awesome marathons. We have no previous ones to compare to. And
her 10k, while a decent improvement, is not out of this world. She was moving up to world best
before her big marathon breakthrough. The women's marathon records are like the 4 min mile. Once
some mental block is broken, all of a sudden people rush through the door. People wouldn't believe a
4 min miles was possible until Bannister, then within the year 3-5 more people did it. The 2:20 for
women was a big barrier, then it was broken twice within weeks. Radcliffe now runs 2:17-2:15, look
for some Japanese to follow her suit within just a few years. If Radcliffe is dirty, she's also very
stupid to freeze her blood for future testing as new tests arise. They could go back and scan her
for THG now if they wanted to. Andy Hass

I don't think steroids would benefit a distance runner like Radciffe much, if any at all. The weight
gain would almost certainly slow them down. I cannot recall a marathoner ever in a steroid scandal.

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Lyndon said:

Top British Sprinter Dwain Chambers has tested positive for the designer steroid THG:

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news.bbc.co.uk3205277.stmOpen ↗

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The Washington Post is reporting that Regina Jacobs is the third athlete

to be

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identified as testing positive.

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The worst fears are starting to materialize.

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Lyndon "Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track

Coach

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Brooks Johnson

---I'm not too surprised with Jacobs testing positive, she's been raising eyebrows for years
now. It makes you wonder just how long this steroid

has

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been around...she's 40 now, years past when most people slow down

dramatically.

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Maybe this has already been going on for 4-6 years??? Her indoor record was certified the same
day as the drug bust came out. I wonder if they will find a way to strip it from her now, they
should. Personally I think if you are EVER busted for drugs, all your records

should

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be erased. Boulami set a steeplechase record only months before he was banned for EPO. ANdy Hass

In article said:

I don't think steroids would benefit a distance runner like Radciffe much, if any at all. The
weight gain would almost certainly slow them down. I cannot recall a marathoner ever in a steroid
scandal.

Oh, yeah? What about Ben Johnson being stripped of his Olympic Marathon win over Carl Lewis in the
closest Olympic Marathon finish ever? Or did you forget about that one?

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night, and party every day. Then it was every other day. . . ."

- Homer J. Simpson

(bigsky) said:

I don't think steroids would benefit a distance runner like Radciffe much, if any at all. The
weight gain would almost certainly slow them down.

You are a complete idiot if you believe this.

Bill "Sometimes I like to pretend I'm Lance Armstrong, and I look down at my second testicle
and smile."