Re: Stairmaster! <gasp>

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Been officially back at the gym on a regular routine now since July
16th. I've been riding the lifecycle for 35 minutes per day, 4 days per
week and had worked up to level 8. I still break a real sweat but it
was
getting to be too easy...

I decided today to try switching to the stairmaster. OMG!
I was able to do my 35 minutes on level 4 with only two very short
breaks of maybe 15 to 30 seconds each.

I got a little bit winded, but not too bad, and my heart rate was at
160
when I got off. Took 15 minutes for my heart rate to drop down to
around
110.

Wow.

After that I did 5 sets each of deadlifts and bench press.

I'm planning at this point to try keeping it up. (The Stairmaster) Hope
I don't kill myself. ;-) I always weigh before and after I work out and
usually lose 1 to 2 lbs. of sweat depending on how much water I drink
while I am there. Today I dropped 2.5 lbs.

Might have to really try increasing my water intake while working out,
but too much makes me nauseous. I try to make it up over a couple of
hours when I get home.

Just a word of caution - take care of your stretching and avoid overuse
specially if you haven't used the stairmaster much - short rapid steps
will
help prevent knee injury - it looks low impact but in reality stairmaster
puts a lot of stress on your knees

Yes. I'd considered that and paid attention to any knee pain and much to
my surprise, there was not any... I guess maybe the steps I took were
short enough.

I can actually hear my knees "crunching" when I walk up a flight of
stairs at work, but did not experience that on the machine.
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Short steps and stretching is the key . . .

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> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Been officially back at the gym on a regular routine now since July
> > 16th. I've been riding the lifecycle for 35 minutes per day, 4 days
> > per
> > week and had worked up to level 8. I still break a real sweat but it
> > was
> > getting to be too easy...
> >
> > I decided today to try switching to the stairmaster. OMG!
> > I was able to do my 35 minutes on level 4 with only two very short
> > breaks of maybe 15 to 30 seconds each.
> >
> > I got a little bit winded, but not too bad, and my heart rate was at
> > 160
> > when I got off. Took 15 minutes for my heart rate to drop down to
> > around
> > 110.
> >
> > Wow.
> >
> > After that I did 5 sets each of deadlifts and bench press.
> >
> > I'm planning at this point to try keeping it up. (The Stairmaster)
> > Hope
> > I don't kill myself. ;-) I always weigh before and after I work out
> > and
> > usually lose 1 to 2 lbs. of sweat depending on how much water I
> > drink
> > while I am there. Today I dropped 2.5 lbs.
> >
> > Might have to really try increasing my water intake while working
> > out,
> > but too much makes me nauseous. I try to make it up over a couple of
> > hours when I get home.
>
> Just a word of caution - take care of your stretching and avoid
> overuse
> specially if you haven't used the stairmaster much - short rapid steps
> will
> help prevent knee injury - it looks low impact but in reality
> stairmaster
> puts a lot of stress on your knees
>
>

Yes. I'd considered that and paid attention to any knee pain and much
to
my surprise, there was not any... I guess maybe the steps I took were
short enough.

I can actually hear my knees "crunching" when I walk up a flight of
stairs at work, but did not experience that on the machine.
--

Short steps and stretching is the key . . .

Thanks!

Do you use a stairmaster?
--

Yes it's in my repertoire (so to speak)

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> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "David" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> > Been officially back at the gym on a regular routine now since
> >> > July
> >> > 16th. I've been riding the lifecycle for 35 minutes per day, 4
> >> > days
> >> > per
> >> > week and had worked up to level 8. I still break a real sweat but
> >> > it
> >> > was
> >> > getting to be too easy...
> >> >
> >> > I decided today to try switching to the stairmaster. OMG!
> >> > I was able to do my 35 minutes on level 4 with only two very
> >> > short
> >> > breaks of maybe 15 to 30 seconds each.
> >> >
> >> > I got a little bit winded, but not too bad, and my heart rate was
> >> > at
> >> > 160
> >> > when I got off. Took 15 minutes for my heart rate to drop down to
> >> > around
> >> > 110.
> >> >
> >> > Wow.
> >> >
> >> > After that I did 5 sets each of deadlifts and bench press.
> >> >
> >> > I'm planning at this point to try keeping it up. (The
> >> > Stairmaster)
> >> > Hope
> >> > I don't kill myself. ;-) I always weigh before and after I work
> >> > out
> >> > and
> >> > usually lose 1 to 2 lbs. of sweat depending on how much water I
> >> > drink
> >> > while I am there. Today I dropped 2.5 lbs.
> >> >
> >> > Might have to really try increasing my water intake while working
> >> > out,
> >> > but too much makes me nauseous. I try to make it up over a couple
> >> > of
> >> > hours when I get home.
> >>
> >> Just a word of caution - take care of your stretching and avoid
> >> overuse
> >> specially if you haven't used the stairmaster much - short rapid
> >> steps
> >> will
> >> help prevent knee injury - it looks low impact but in reality
> >> stairmaster
> >> puts a lot of stress on your knees
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Yes. I'd considered that and paid attention to any knee pain and
> > much
> > to
> > my surprise, there was not any... I guess maybe the steps I took
> > were
> > short enough.
> >
> > I can actually hear my knees "crunching" when I walk up a flight of
> > stairs at work, but did not experience that on the machine.
> > --
> Short steps and stretching is the key . . .
>
>

Thanks!

Do you use a stairmaster?
--

Yes it's in my repertoire (so to speak)

Awesome workout.
Much more intense than a bike!

Now maybe I can speed things up a bit. :-P

I needed to build up some endurance before going back to using one.
That takes time.

Good plan Om

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>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > "David" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> >> > Been officially back at the gym on a regular routine now since
>> >> > July
>> >> > 16th. I've been riding the lifecycle for 35 minutes per day, 4
>> >> > days
>> >> > per
>> >> > week and had worked up to level 8. I still break a real sweat but
>> >> > it
>> >> > was
>> >> > getting to be too easy...
>> >> >
>> >> > I decided today to try switching to the stairmaster. OMG!
>> >> > I was able to do my 35 minutes on level 4 with only two very
>> >> > short
>> >> > breaks of maybe 15 to 30 seconds each.
>> >> >
>> >> > I got a little bit winded, but not too bad, and my heart rate was
>> >> > at
>> >> > 160
>> >> > when I got off. Took 15 minutes for my heart rate to drop down to
>> >> > around
>> >> > 110.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wow.
>> >> >
>> >> > After that I did 5 sets each of deadlifts and bench press.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm planning at this point to try keeping it up. (The
>> >> > Stairmaster)
>> >> > Hope
>> >> > I don't kill myself. ;-) I always weigh before and after I work
>> >> > out
>> >> > and
>> >> > usually lose 1 to 2 lbs. of sweat depending on how much water I
>> >> > drink
>> >> > while I am there. Today I dropped 2.5 lbs.
>> >> >
>> >> > Might have to really try increasing my water intake while working
>> >> > out,
>> >> > but too much makes me nauseous. I try to make it up over a couple
>> >> > of
>> >> > hours when I get home.
>> >>
>> >> Just a word of caution - take care of your stretching and avoid
>> >> overuse
>> >> specially if you haven't used the stairmaster much - short rapid
>> >> steps
>> >> will
>> >> help prevent knee injury - it looks low impact but in reality
>> >> stairmaster
>> >> puts a lot of stress on your knees
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yes. I'd considered that and paid attention to any knee pain and
>> > much
>> > to
>> > my surprise, there was not any... I guess maybe the steps I took
>> > were
>> > short enough.
>> >
>> > I can actually hear my knees "crunching" when I walk up a flight of
>> > stairs at work, but did not experience that on the machine.
>> > --
>> Short steps and stretching is the key . . .
>>
>>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Do you use a stairmaster?
> --
Yes it's in my repertoire (so to speak)

Awesome workout.
Much more intense than a bike!

Now maybe I can speed things up a bit. :-P

I needed to build up some endurance before going back to using one.
That takes time.

Good plan Om

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
bod' into some decent shape! <lol>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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I needed to build up some endurance before going back to using one.
That takes time.

Good plan Om

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
bod' into some decent shape! <lol>

Wow that's a success story! It's good to be able to take control and set
goals and actually see it happening. You've broken the back of it now . . .

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.

You must be fat as a frickin' pig Om. Why just run then? That's the
ultimate weight loss solution. I'm a 350lb slob, in a 183lb body, all
due to running.

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Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
bod' into some decent shape! <lol>
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Om, how long did it take to lose the first 50lbs?

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.

You must be fat as a frickin' pig Om. Why just run then? That's the
ultimate weight loss solution. I'm a 350lb slob, in a 183lb body, all
due to running.

Why not keep running Bill? - aren't you bored with this group yet? There
must be bigger challenges somewhere else?

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.

You must be fat as a frickin' pig Om. Why just run then? That's the
ultimate weight loss solution. I'm a 350lb slob, in a 183lb body, all
due to running.

Why not keep running Bill? - aren't you bored with this group yet? There
must be bigger challenges somewhere else?

Did you see my work in the bagpipe group?

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Why not keep running Bill?

I never stopped, and never will.

TheBillRodgers said:

I never stopped

Oops, I lied. I did stop in 97 when I hurt my back, but after getting
worse and worse, I finally took it up again.

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> I needed to build up some endurance before going back to using one.
> That takes time.

Good plan Om

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
bod' into some decent shape! <lol>

Wow that's a success story! It's good to be able to take control and set
goals and actually see it happening. You've broken the back of it now . . .

I hope so!
Been stalled for awhile now, but I ain't giving up!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.

You must be fat as a frickin' pig Om. Why just run then? That's the
ultimate weight loss solution. I'm a 350lb slob, in a 183lb body, all
due to running.

Can't run.
Bad knees.

I wish... :-(

I started out at 270.
Down to 220 now.
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
bod' into some decent shape! <lol>
--

Om, how long did it take to lose the first 50lbs?

I started low carbing Jan. 4th 2005.

Lost most of it the first 6 months.
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Om.

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Can't run.
Bad knees.

Nonsense. You had bad shoes, or a misalignment in your lower back.
There are no such thing as bad knees unless they're destroyed by
arthritis, or some previous damage. If you can walk, you can run. Too
many hours of sitting aggravates my knees. In the right one I had it
broken in 5 places, 800 stitches, torn discus, and stretched
ligaments. I was told mine was the worse he'd ever seen, and I'd be
back BEGGING him to operate. That was 30 years ago, and running is the
only thing that keeps me walking.
It sounds like you've lost enough weight to run comfortably now. Hopw
long since you tried?
Shoes: You must spend close to $100 for real running shoes, and they
must be the right type for your running style. That's the biggest
mistake failed runners make. They've come a long way in the last 10
years.

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Can't run.
Bad knees.

Nonsense. You had bad shoes, or a misalignment in your lower back.
There are no such thing as bad knees unless they're destroyed by
arthritis, or some previous damage. If you can walk, you can run. Too
many hours of sitting aggravates my knees. In the right one I had it
broken in 5 places, 800 stitches, torn discus, and stretched
ligaments. I was told mine was the worse he'd ever seen, and I'd be
back BEGGING him to operate. That was 30 years ago, and running is the
only thing that keeps me walking.
It sounds like you've lost enough weight to run comfortably now. Hopw
long since you tried?
Shoes: You must spend close to $100 for real running shoes, and they
must be the right type for your running style. That's the biggest
mistake failed runners make. They've come a long way in the last 10
years.

Short of all that, if you do a minimum of an hour on the stairmaster,
you'll drop the rest of the weight. One hour of cardio is the point
where your body will burn more cals per hour, even while sleeping,
than a sedentary person. Any less only burns cals while you're on the
machine, but has no lasting effects once you get off it.
I'm a 350lb slob, in a 183lb body, so I know what I'm talking about.
And congrats on your success so far.

TheBillRodgers said:

if you do a minimum of an hour on the stairmaster,

And that's harder on the knees than running.

Martha S. Gallagher said:

Or don't stretch right/enough. If you don't do that, your knees will tend
to not track right and they will hurt and possibly eventually get damaged.

I'll do a "no comment" on this one martha. Because of my back problems
(degenerative disk disease, arthritis of the spine, bone spurs, and a
ripped disc with free-floating fragment) I don't stretch. However this
was true before I ever hurt my back. I stretched, properly, for years,
but came up imjured reularly until I stopped. Now for a warmup I just
start out very slow for the first 4 miles. Four miles is when the legs
get full blood flow, so this is actually the point when the legs are
warmed up. Most bizarre is, if I run just an hour, I'm often stiff and
sore. If I run 90 minutes I feel terific, with no stiffness or
fatigue.

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Also, you can't go by how you feel the first 5 minutes. I thought I was
the only one for whom that was a penitential period, but a thread on
rec.running made me realize that even *real* runners don't always enjoy it
right out the door.

Yep, the first few miles suck, but it gets better after that.

And you are spoton on the shoe issue. Even real running sops make
mistakes, so if a pair of shoes doesn't work, you need to keep trying,
but somewhere out there are the *magic pair* that will let you run as
long as you like with no pain.

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.

You must be fat as a frickin' pig Om. Why just run then? That's the
ultimate weight loss solution. I'm a 350lb slob, in a 183lb body, all
due to running.

Can't run.
Bad knees.

I wish... :-(

I started out at 270.
Down to 220 now.

That's purty damn good. Keep it up! You want to be 150#? How tall are you?