Re: Stairmaster! <gasp>

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> > I needed to build up some endurance before going back to using one.
> > That takes time.
>
> Good plan Om
>
>

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
bod' into some decent shape! <lol>

Wow that's a success story! It's good to be able to take control and set
goals and actually see it happening. You've broken the back of it now . .
.

I hope so!
Been stalled for awhile now, but I ain't giving up!
--
Om.

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> > I needed to build up some endurance before going back to using one.
> > That takes time.
>
> Good plan Om
>
>

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
bod' into some decent shape! <lol>

Wow that's a success story! It's good to be able to take control and set
goals and actually see it happening. You've broken the back of it now . .
.

I hope so!
Been stalled for awhile now, but I ain't giving up!
--

Stalled is ok - Your goal weight seems low - you are around 6' from what I
remember?

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Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
bod' into some decent shape! <lol>
--

Om, how long did it take to lose the first 50lbs?

I started low carbing Jan. 4th 2005.

Lost most of it the first 6 months.

Are you just eating mainly plant carbs and protein?

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> > I needed to build up some endurance before going back to using one.
> > That takes time.
>
> Good plan Om
>
>

Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
bod' into some decent shape! <lol>

Wow that's a success story! It's good to be able to take control and set
goals and actually see it happening. You've broken the back of it now .

.. .

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I hope so!
Been stalled for awhile now, but I ain't giving up!
--
Om.

Don't. There is no such thing as a stall, as you have the rest of your life
to get where you want to be. Enjoying the ride is half the challenge
(avoiding all the cliques is the other half ;-)

--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'😉, but rather 'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

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TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Can't run.
Bad knees.

Nonsense. You had bad shoes, or a misalignment in your lower back.
There are no such thing as bad knees unless they're destroyed by
arthritis, or some previous damage.

I do have Arthritis...
The impact from running causes knee pain.

The stairmaster may put some strain on the knees, but it's lower impact
than running. I did my 30 minutes on it again today, this time with only
1 30 second break at about 10 minutes.

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If you can walk, you can run. Too
many hours of sitting aggravates my knees. In the right one I had it
broken in 5 places, 800 stitches, torn discus, and stretched
ligaments. I was told mine was the worse he'd ever seen, and I'd be
back BEGGING him to operate. That was 30 years ago, and running is the
only thing that keeps me walking.
It sounds like you've lost enough weight to run comfortably now. Hopw
long since you tried?

No, not lately.
I'm still pretty heavy so I'm not sure it'd be a good thing.
30 minutes on the stairmaster at level 4 still winds me pretty good.
Give me a month doing that first and I might try it. ;-)

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Shoes: You must spend close to $100 for real running shoes, and they
must be the right type for your running style. That's the biggest
mistake failed runners make. They've come a long way in the last 10
years.

Bare feet. Nature........ ;-D

Cheers!
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Can't run.
Bad knees.

Nonsense. You had bad shoes, or a misalignment in your lower back.
There are no such thing as bad knees unless they're destroyed by
arthritis, or some previous damage. If you can walk, you can run. Too
many hours of sitting aggravates my knees. In the right one I had it
broken in 5 places, 800 stitches, torn discus, and stretched
ligaments. I was told mine was the worse he'd ever seen, and I'd be
back BEGGING him to operate. That was 30 years ago, and running is the
only thing that keeps me walking.
It sounds like you've lost enough weight to run comfortably now. Hopw
long since you tried?
Shoes: You must spend close to $100 for real running shoes, and they
must be the right type for your running style. That's the biggest
mistake failed runners make. They've come a long way in the last 10
years.

Short of all that, if you do a minimum of an hour on the stairmaster,
you'll drop the rest of the weight. One hour of cardio is the point
where your body will burn more cals per hour, even while sleeping,
than a sedentary person. Any less only burns cals while you're on the
machine, but has no lasting effects once you get off it.
I'm a 350lb slob, in a 183lb body, so I know what I'm talking about.
And congrats on your success so far.

Thanks! :-)
It's tough, but I sure feel a helluva lot better.
It's not a diet this time either. I'm totally overhauling my lifestyle.
Permanently.

I'd like to do an hour, I just have to try to find that extra 30 minutes
in my mornings. Don't think I've not considered doing just that.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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TheBillRodgers said:

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if you do a minimum of an hour on the stairmaster,

And that's harder on the knees than running.

No. It's not.
The stairmaster is a smooth, steady motion. Low impact.
Running, you are slamming your bodyweight on the knee joints with every
stride! Running puts a lot more stress on the knees.

Ideally, I should use the eliptical trainer, but I really don't like
them.
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Om.

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:23:59 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
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>Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
>I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.

You must be fat as a frickin' pig Om. Why just run then? That's the
ultimate weight loss solution. I'm a 350lb slob, in a 183lb body, all
due to running.

Can't run.
Bad knees.

I wish... :-(

I started out at 270.
Down to 220 now.

That's purty damn good. Keep it up! You want to be 150#? How tall are you?

5' 6". Medium frame.

That might be my current goal, but it can be modified depending on how I
end up looking and feeling, and how much muscle I can carry...
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>
>> > I needed to build up some endurance before going back to using one.
>> > That takes time.
>>
>> Good plan Om
>>
>>
>
> Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
> I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
> Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
> bod' into some decent shape! <lol>

Wow that's a success story! It's good to be able to take control and set
goals and actually see it happening. You've broken the back of it now . .
.

I hope so!
Been stalled for awhile now, but I ain't giving up!
--

Stalled is ok - Your goal weight seems low - you are around 6' from what I
remember?

No, 5' 6".
Medium frame.
And like I said, that goal can be modified. ;-)
This was the recommended goal weight by my Doctor, but she is also
ammenable to changing that depending on how things go.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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>
> Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
> I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
> Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
> bod' into some decent shape! <lol>
> --

Om, how long did it take to lose the first 50lbs?

I started low carbing Jan. 4th 2005.

Lost most of it the first 6 months.

Are you just eating mainly plant carbs and protein?

MAINLY protein and green carbs. :-)
And mushrooms both fresh and canned,
or reconstituted dried ones, mainly [censored].
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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Dr_Dickie said:

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discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'😉, but rather 'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov

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>
>> > I needed to build up some endurance before going back to using one.
>> > That takes time.
>>
>> Good plan Om
>>
>>
>
> Lost 50 lbs., still got 70 to go to reach goal weight.
> I'm more into weight loss, endurance and gaining strength.
> Hypertrophy can come later if and when I survive beating this poor old
> bod' into some decent shape! <lol>

Wow that's a success story! It's good to be able to take control and set
goals and actually see it happening. You've broken the back of it now .

. .

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I hope so!
Been stalled for awhile now, but I ain't giving up!
--
Om.

Don't. There is no such thing as a stall, as you have the rest of your life
to get where you want to be. Enjoying the ride is half the challenge
(avoiding all the cliques is the other half ;-)

No point in giving up! <lol>
Am hoping now that getting off the bike and on to the SM will give me
the boost I need. It's a helluva lot more of an intense workout for sure!
More sweat, higher heart rate for the same time.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I do have Arthritis...
The impact from running causes knee pain.

No, bad shoes, spinal misalignments, or defects in your running style
cause knee pain, not the impact.

Quoted message said:

The stairmaster may put some strain on the knees, but it's lower impact
than running. I did my 30 minutes on it again today, this time with only
1 30 second break at about 10 minutes.

Good start.

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No, not lately.
I'm still pretty heavy so I'm not sure it'd be a good thing.

I know your weight, so now just tell me you aren't 4'9" tall, and the
mental pic I have of you will be erased LOL

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30 minutes on the stairmaster at level 4 still winds me pretty good.
Give me a month doing that first and I might try it. ;-)

Fair enough, but work up to an hour first. Just pace yourself. You'll
get much more from an hour at level 2 (I assume that's an easier
level) than 30 minutes on level 4, at least asfar as weight loss goes.

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Bare feet. Nature........ ;-D

I agree barefoot is best IN MOST CASES, but when you are heavy for a
runner, you may just need the cushioning and support that a good
running shoe can give.

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'd like to do an hour, I just have to try to find that extra 30 minutes
in my mornings. Don't think I've not considered doing just that.

Before I started running I always said "where can I find a whole hour
in my busy schedule to WO that long?". Here's what happened. Once I
got to an hour a day, I was wound up I found myself only sleeping 5 to
6 hours, instead of 9 per night, and surprisingly I felt like I'd
slept 10. I slept 5, but so soundly I felt great! My net gain was 2 to
3 hours a day. Then I realized I had time for weights too, and added
those in.
Your mileage may vary.

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Running, you are slamming your bodyweight on the knee joints with every
stride! Running puts a lot more stress on the knees.

It's all in your running style. Many days I glide along without barely
making a sound. The trick is to minimize bouncing by taking tiny,
short steps. I learned this by watching my shadow as I ran, and
practiced until I saw I wasn't bouncing so much. I use very little
energy compared to many runners.

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

mainly [censored].

They make me takeshit too.

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TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I do have Arthritis...
The impact from running causes knee pain.

No, bad shoes, spinal misalignments, or defects in your running style
cause knee pain, not the impact.

Quoted message said:

The stairmaster may put some strain on the knees, but it's lower impact
than running. I did my 30 minutes on it again today, this time with only
1 30 second break at about 10 minutes.

Good start.

Quoted message said:

No, not lately.
I'm still pretty heavy so I'm not sure it'd be a good thing.

I know your weight, so now just tell me you aren't 4'9" tall, and the
mental pic I have of you will be erased LOL

Quoted message said:

30 minutes on the stairmaster at level 4 still winds me pretty good.
Give me a month doing that first and I might try it. ;-)

Fair enough, but work up to an hour first. Just pace yourself. You'll
get much more from an hour at level 2 (I assume that's an easier
level) than 30 minutes on level 4, at least asfar as weight loss goes.

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Bare feet. Nature........ ;-D

I agree barefoot is best IN MOST CASES, but when you are heavy for a
runner, you may just need the cushioning and support that a good
running shoe can give.

I've always wanted to be able to run... but have not been able to.
Maybe in time I'll work up the nerve to try it again!

I'll let you know.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I've always wanted to be able to run... but have not been able to.
Maybe in time I'll work up the nerve to try it again!

But try it in shoes this time LOL

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'd like to do an hour, I just have to try to find that extra 30 minutes
in my mornings. Don't think I've not considered doing just that.

Before I started running I always said "where can I find a whole hour
in my busy schedule to WO that long?". Here's what happened. Once I
got to an hour a day, I was wound up I found myself only sleeping 5 to
6 hours, instead of 9 per night, and surprisingly I felt like I'd
slept 10. I slept 5, but so soundly I felt great! My net gain was 2 to
3 hours a day. Then I realized I had time for weights too, and added
those in.
Your mileage may vary.

I generally sleep 3 to 4 hours during the week, then catch up on
weekends. ;-)

I do best on 6 but can rarely find the time!

Less internet time may help! <lol>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Running, you are slamming your bodyweight on the knee joints with every
stride! Running puts a lot more stress on the knees.

It's all in your running style. Many days I glide along without barely
making a sound. The trick is to minimize bouncing by taking tiny,
short steps. I learned this by watching my shadow as I ran, and
practiced until I saw I wasn't bouncing so much. I use very little
energy compared to many runners.

That's a clever idea!

I also need to learn to pace myself.
Back before I re-started at the gym, I used to "powerwalk" for 20
minutes per night 3 or 4 nights per week. I'd try a "sprint" from time
to time but never got very far.

I work nights now so night walking is out!
The weather is cooling off finally, so a fast paced walk after I get
home from the gym might be nice, and the dogs would appreciate it!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

mainly [censored].

They make me takeshit too.

<disgusted look>

Not only are [censored] mushrooms delicious,
they are an immune system booster, and are
supposed to have anti-viral properties.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson