Re: Stairmaster! <gasp>

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I've always wanted to be able to run... but have not been able to.
Maybe in time I'll work up the nerve to try it again!

But try it in shoes this time LOL

;-) ;-) ;-D
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Less internet time may help! <lol>

I'd give up running and WO's first LOL

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I also need to learn to pace myself.

IMNSHO, that is the hardest thing for new runners to do. My son
started running this spring, and I had to laugh as he immediately
sprinted off at a rabbitts pace. Of course half an hour later, halfway
through, he was whining like a baby. He listened to me after that.

Quoted message said:

Back before I re-started at the gym, I used to "powerwalk" for 20
minutes per night 3 or 4 nights per week. I'd try a "sprint" from time
to time but never got very far.

Sprinters seldom do.

Quoted message said:

I work nights now so night walking is out!
The weather is cooling off finally, so a fast paced walk after I get
home from the gym might be nice, and the dogs would appreciate it!

A fast paced 1 hour walk would likely do you far more good, than a 30
minute stairstepper WO would. At least asfar as weight is concerned.

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Not only are [censored] mushrooms delicious,
they are an immune system booster, and are
supposed to have anti-viral properties.

I'm not a big shroom eater. They give me a flashback of my earlier
mushroom eating days (for purposes other than diet).

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Less internet time may help! <lol>

I'd give up running and WO's first LOL

;-D
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I also need to learn to pace myself.

IMNSHO, that is the hardest thing for new runners to do. My son
started running this spring, and I had to laugh as he immediately
sprinted off at a rabbitts pace. Of course half an hour later, halfway
through, he was whining like a baby. He listened to me after that.

Quoted message said:

Back before I re-started at the gym, I used to "powerwalk" for 20
minutes per night 3 or 4 nights per week. I'd try a "sprint" from time
to time but never got very far.

Sprinters seldom do.

Quoted message said:

I work nights now so night walking is out!
The weather is cooling off finally, so a fast paced walk after I get
home from the gym might be nice, and the dogs would appreciate it!

A fast paced 1 hour walk would likely do you far more good, than a 30
minute stairstepper WO would. At least asfar as weight is concerned.

Hard to say. ;-)
Intensity is more important than you think.
I'm also trying to get my heart in shape!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Not only are [censored] mushrooms delicious,
they are an immune system booster, and are
supposed to have anti-viral properties.

I'm not a big shroom eater. They give me a flashback of my earlier
mushroom eating days (for purposes other than diet).

Yah, but those were tasty too. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Quoted message said:

But try it in shoes this time LOL

;-) ;-) ;-D

Even though I'm a big believer in no shoes on trails, this is not a
good idea for the "over 200lb crowd". I can barely do it at 190, but
now I'm at 183 and it's much easier, but a bit cold...

It just feels good.
I only wear shoes when I have to!

Needless to say, I do wear them at the gym.

I wear "earth shoes" at work and at the gym both.
The take the weight off the front part of the foot
so give better balance IMHO.

They also have made my soleus larger. Unfortunately. 🙁
My calves were already large enough!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Intensity is more important than you think.

Not for weight loss.

Quoted message said:

I'm also trying to get my heart in shape!

Why? Id it going to run a marathon? LOL
If you can do an hour of cardio, your heart doesn't need anything
else.

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Yah, but those were tasty too. ;-)

They just made me puke.

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

It just feels good.
I only wear shoes when I have to!

I grew up barefoot, so I know what you mean.

Quoted message said:

I wear "earth shoes" at work and at the gym both.
The take the weight off the front part of the foot
so give better balance IMHO.

They still make those? I'd like to get a pair.

Quoted message said:

They also have made my soleus larger.

I bet that makes the wife happy, like "Bob's" wife?
(I have no idea what a soleus is, but it sounds like something your
wife enjoys at night)

Quoted message said:

nfortunately. 🙁
My calves were already large enough!

You raise cattle too???

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Intensity is more important than you think.

Not for weight loss.

Quoted message said:

I'm also trying to get my heart in shape!

Why? Id it going to run a marathon? LOL
If you can do an hour of cardio, your heart doesn't need anything
else.

I've been having problems with an abnormally high resting heart rate.
It's one of the things that got me off my fat ass and back to the gym.
I was also seeing a slow but sure rise in blood pressure. That's already
back to my old normal of 110/60 but it got as high as 125/80 at one
point. Too high for ME.

The RHR is getting better, slowly.

Fast paced walking will NOT get your heart rate up into the training
zone.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Yah, but those were tasty too. ;-)

They just made me puke.

They never made me puke...
You may have taken too many.
I was always conservative, and
still had a great time.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Fast paced walking will NOT get your heart rate up into the training
zone.

Well this is the first time you mentioned this. However, it is not
required you get into the training zone for your heart to benefit.
What is required is to do cardio for 90 minutes, at least if clearing
fat from your arteries, or growing new veins and arteries is your
goal. I dare say, for a guy your size, fast paced walking could very
well get your heart up to that target zone. You DO know what the
target zone is? And what your MHR is?

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

They never made me puke...

I never kept them down long enough to have them work. Hence my LSD
days (and I DO NOT mean Long Slow Distance either LOL)

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

It just feels good.
I only wear shoes when I have to!

I grew up barefoot, so I know what you mean.

Quoted message said:

I wear "earth shoes" at work and at the gym both.
The take the weight off the front part of the foot
so give better balance IMHO.

They still make those? I'd like to get a pair.

Wal-mart! ;-)
They have also outlasted any work shoe I've bought for the past several
years. This pair is going on it's 4th year now. Most of my work shoes
wore out in less than a year. These are still hardly showing any wear.

I do have a new pair, unworn. I bought two pairs at the same time since
I liked them and put the second pair away until these wear out.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They also have made my soleus larger.

I bet that makes the wife happy, like "Bob's" wife?
(I have no idea what a soleus is, but it sounds like something your
wife enjoys at night)

I'm not married. ;-)
I'm smarter than that. <lol>

The Soleus is the calf muscle that underlies the Gastrocnemeus and runs
down the lower part of the leg. Increasing the size of the soleus is
more difficult than the Gastrocnemeus and can enlarge the appearance of
the upper calf if developed properly. I understand that seated calf
raises work that particular muscle better.

The calf refers to the back of the lower leg, between the knee and the
ankle. If I remember my Gray's anatomy correctly, I think it attaches to
the heel via the Achilles tendon? The Gastrocnemeus also ties into the
heel with the same tendon.

Ah! Here we go:

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/Soleus.html

As a runner, you really should learn something about leg muscle anatomy!

That is one thing about being a dedicated weight lifter. You DO tend to
learn the names and locations of the major muscles! And how to best work
them...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Unfortunately. 🙁
My calves were already large enough!

You raise cattle too???

<lol> Goofball! ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm not married. ;-)

Well, does it make your hand happier then? ;?)~

Quoted message said:

The Soleus is the calf muscle that underlies the Gastrocnemeus and runs
down the lower part of the leg. Increasing the size of the soleus is
more difficult than the Gastrocnemeus and can enlarge the appearance of
the upper calf if developed properly. I understand that seated calf
raises work that particular muscle better.

The calf refers to the back of the lower leg, between the knee and the
ankle. If I remember my Gray's anatomy correctly, I think it attaches to
the heel via the Achilles tendon? The Gastrocnemeus also ties into the
heel with the same tendon.

Ah! Here we go:

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/Soleus.html

As a runner, you really should learn something about leg muscle anatomy!

But why? Will it make me healthier? Help my running? Unless I'm
injured, and I've had a streak of about 25 years since my last running
injury (except for a short "nike incident"😉 I really see no reason to
know such things. Much like Kelly Bundy, I only have room for so much
info, and every new thing I learn forces out another fakt, like
spelling "fakt" was just forced out by finding out you weren't
married. Seriously, my legs have never needed anything but running, so
I don't include anyleg exercises in my WO routine, so knowing the
names of any particular muscle or group really is just useless info to
me. And I have college age chics whistle at me, and comment I have the
best legs ever. I guess pics are in order now, or you can just look up
my undefeated record of the number of "Bonnie knees" contests I've
won.
The other day I had a car slow down to a crawl behind me as I ran
shirtless in Robinson state park. I said to myself "I'm either going
to get hassled by rednecks, or someone's checking me out". Then as it
got alongside me, almost stopped, I looked over to see two " young 20
something" cuties looking at me. Then came the dreaded words, "IT'S AN
OLD GUY" and they accelerated away... Damn these gray hairs! This sort
of thing happens all the time. Um, the "checking me out" part, not the
old guy part LOL. So aside from never leaving the house without
coloring my beard again, I have great legs, with no injuries to worry
about. No need to learn any new big words.

Quoted message said:

That is one thing about being a dedicated weight lifter. You DO tend to
learn the names and locations of the major muscles! And how to best work
them...

I guess, even though I am, but I don't.

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm not married. ;-)

Well, does it make your hand happier then? ;?)~

Hand? Whatever do you mean?

;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The Soleus is the calf muscle that underlies the Gastrocnemeus and runs
down the lower part of the leg. Increasing the size of the soleus is
more difficult than the Gastrocnemeus and can enlarge the appearance of
the upper calf if developed properly. I understand that seated calf
raises work that particular muscle better.

The calf refers to the back of the lower leg, between the knee and the
ankle. If I remember my Gray's anatomy correctly, I think it attaches to
the heel via the Achilles tendon? The Gastrocnemeus also ties into the
heel with the same tendon.

Ah! Here we go:

http://www.exrx.net/Muscles/Soleus.html

As a runner, you really should learn something about leg muscle anatomy!

But why? Will it make me healthier? Help my running? Unless I'm
injured, and I've had a streak of about 25 years since my last running
injury (except for a short "nike incident"😉 I really see no reason to
know such things.

Because knowlegs is power.

Quoted message said:

Much like Kelly Bundy, I only have room for so much
info, and every new thing I learn forces out another fakt, like
spelling "fakt" was just forced out by finding out you weren't
married. Seriously, my legs have never needed anything but running, so
I don't include anyleg exercises in my WO routine, so knowing the
names of any particular muscle or group really is just useless info to
me. And I have college age chics whistle at me, and comment I have the
best legs ever. I guess pics are in order now, or you can just look up
my undefeated record of the number of "Bonnie knees" contests I've
won.
The other day I had a car slow down to a crawl behind me as I ran
shirtless in Robinson state park. I said to myself "I'm either going
to get hassled by rednecks, or someone's checking me out". Then as it
got alongside me, almost stopped, I looked over to see two " young 20
something" cuties looking at me. Then came the dreaded words, "IT'S AN
OLD GUY" and they accelerated away... Damn these gray hairs!

<snicker> They DO sell hair dye for men!

Quoted message said:

This sort
of thing happens all the time. Um, the "checking me out" part, not the
old guy part LOL. So aside from never leaving the house without
coloring my beard again, I have great legs, with no injuries to worry
about. No need to learn any new big words.

Whatever.
It would make you look smarter on newsgroups at the very least.

And it's not that difficult.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

That is one thing about being a dedicated weight lifter. You DO tend to
learn the names and locations of the major muscles! And how to best work
them...

I guess, even though I am, but I don't.

I don't understand.
This kind of thing is _basic_!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Intensity is more important than you think.

Not for weight loss.

Quoted message said:

I'm also trying to get my heart in shape!

Why? Id it going to run a marathon? LOL
If you can do an hour of cardio, your heart doesn't need anything
else.

I've been having problems with an abnormally high resting heart rate.
It's one of the things that got me off my fat ass and back to the gym.
I was also seeing a slow but sure rise in blood pressure. That's already
back to my old normal of 110/60 but it got as high as 125/80 at one
point. Too high for ME.

The RHR is getting better, slowly.

Fast paced walking will NOT get your heart rate up into the training
zone.

Actually Omelet, walking will get your heart rate up - (you know walking
races are an Olympic event) - I would go 10degree incline on a treadmill

In article <[email hidden]>,

TheBillRodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Fast paced walking will NOT get your heart rate up into the training
zone.

Well this is the first time you mentioned this. However, it is not
required you get into the training zone for your heart to benefit.
What is required is to do cardio for 90 minutes, at least if clearing
fat from your arteries, or growing new veins and arteries is your
goal. I dare say, for a guy your size, fast paced walking could very
well get your heart up to that target zone. You DO know what the
target zone is? And what your MHR is?

Yes.

There are charts all over the gym. ;-)

The 160 bpm that I'm hitting on the stairmaster is right in mid-zone.

Max is around 180.

I'm 43.

90 minutes??? No way in hell I can ever find the time for THAT!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson