Recommitting

In article <[email hidden]>,

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:

> [email hidden] (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> > Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for all the "support."
> >
> > have you considered therapy?
>
> How many times on this group do I have to say I've already tried it and
> it
> didn't help?

so, if you do something wrong the first time you automatically think
it's worthless?

is that the way it works?

You think it's better to try the same thing over and over when it's been
shown not to work?

you know there's more than one effective way to lose weight, that not
everything that works for one person works for everyone else. try
applying that principle to therapy.

it could be something as simple as joining the local hospital's "quit
smoking" program or something like that, you know. you need to start
somewhere.

or you can just keep being a non-quitting drama queen. you do seem to
like it, so it must be working for you on some level.

Yes, it does help to talk about problems on a support group. The smoking
thing wasn't even the point of the original post other than as the trigger
that set off the weight gain. It sure is overly dramatic of me to talk
about recommitting to my diet on a diet support group. The drama didn't
come from me, it started with the preachy do-gooders who decided to change
the subject and berate me for deciding to delay quitting smoking. When I
tried to explain the reasoning, yes, _reasoning_ behind the decision, I was
told I was making excuses. It's interesting how in a post-space age world,
people still believe they have the power of mind reading.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: " rosie readandpost" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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: >
: >
: > "Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: > news:[email hidden]...
: > : Therapy is all about opinion. No facts whatsoever, and mumbo
jumbo
: > : describes it very well. I agree with you that it only works if
you
: > think
: > : it works, so it would be a good thing for those that need it,
: > cause it
: > : damned sure won't work for people who prefer to do their own
: > thinking,
: > : which is probably why the majority of people don't see
therapists.
: > :-)
: > :
: > : --
: > : Cheri
: > :
: >
: > wow, are you one of those folks who believes in "bootstraps"
too?
:
: Some people say bootstraps don't exist and are just a myth.
: Tom
: 210/180/180
:
:

YUP!
nice numbers tom!

:..................... The drama didn't
: come from me, it started with the preachy do-gooders who decided
to change
: the subject and berate me for deciding to delay quitting smoking.
When I
: tried to explain the reasoning, yes, _reasoning_ behind the
decision, I was
: told I was making excuses.

you continue to name call and pick and choose just what kind of
support you will accept and that dear luna, is your loss!

In article <[email hidden]>,

rosie readandpost said:

:..................... The drama didn't
: come from me, it started with the preachy do-gooders who decided
to change
: the subject and berate me for deciding to delay quitting smoking.
When I
: tried to explain the reasoning, yes, _reasoning_ behind the
decision, I was
: told I was making excuses.

you continue to name call and pick and choose just what kind of
support you will accept and that dear luna, is your loss!

I accept any and all genuine support. I won't accept "advice" in the form
of character insults, advice to get therapy for a chemical imbalance, or
advice to just kill myself. If you think I should accept every stupid
statement from strangers on usenet as some sort of gospel, if you think I
should disengage my brain and just blindly follow what everyone else says I
should do, then no matter how well meaning and nice you are I am going to
have a hard time taking anything you say seriously.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Luna said:

I won't accept "advice" in the form of character insults, advice to get
therapy for a chemical imbalance, or advice to just kill myself.

for whatever it's worth, i don't think you have a chemical imbalance: i
think you just have a very muddled way of thinking.

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

> Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > [email hidden] (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> > > Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for all the "support."
> > >
> > > have you considered therapy?
> >
> > How many times on this group do I have to say I've already tried
> > it and it didn't help?
>
> so, if you do something wrong the first time you automatically think
> it's worthless?
>
> is that the way it works?
>
>
>

You think it's better to try the same thing over and over when it's been
shown not to work?

you know there's more than one effective way to lose weight, that not
everything that works for one person works for everyone else. try
applying that principle to therapy.

it could be something as simple as joining the local hospital's "quit
smoking" program or something like that, you know. you need to start
somewhere.

or you can just keep being a non-quitting drama queen. you do seem to
like it, so it must be working for you on some level.

Yes, it does help to talk about problems on a support group.

imagine how much it could help to talk to someone who is not only
knowledgeable but who actually has your best interest at heart and who
isn't just some random [censored] on the internet.

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lunachick->

Quoted message said:

I accept any and all genuine support. I won't accept "advice" in the form
of character insults, advice to get therapy for a chemical imbalance, or
advice to just kill myself. If you think I should accept every stupid
statement from strangers on usenet as some sort of gospel, if you think I
should disengage my brain and just blindly follow what everyone else says

I

Quoted message said:

should do, then no matter how well meaning and nice you are I am going to
have a hard time taking anything you say seriously.

I do not know why you do not killfile whats-his-name because he really does
not offer anything valid here and life is so much better when you do not
need to read his posts. Trust me..if you kf him you won't be missing a
thing.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

Luna said:

I won't accept "advice" in the form of character insults, advice to get
therapy for a chemical imbalance, or advice to just kill myself.

for whatever it's worth, i don't think you have a chemical imbalance: i
think you just have a very muddled way of thinking.

It's interesting how different people's opinions can be. I've got you and
JC saying or implying that I have muddled thinking, I've had other people
on here tell me I'm smart and I make a lot of sense, I have you telling me
I'm a drama queen and other people in my real life telling me they like me
specifically because I'm not dramatic, and I've had people criticize me for
being "too logical."

I have reasons to believe my depression is physical/chemical. It runs in
my family. It was at its worst when I was quitting smoking, cutting back
on caffeine, not eating meat, or not exercising. I went to therapy after a
bad breakup, and my therapist told me that all the stuff I was feeling was
normal, and that I just needed time to heal and that she didn't think I
really needed therapy.

I've been reading on alt.support.stop-smoking that it's normal to feel
depressed even months after quitting, even when things were going well up
until then. Maybe just knowing that it's normal will help the next time,
or maybe I should look for some kind of medication to help me over the
hump, but I do have concerns about anti-depressants too.

I've been thinking today that maybe I don't need to wait to quit again
until I'm at goal weight. It's not the weight that matters so much as the
establishment of eating right and exercising as a habit. I was in that
groove for a while, but I slipped out. Maybe after a month of eating right
and working out every day, then the habit will be established enough that
the nicotine withdrawals won't trigger me to slip back into bad habits.
Anyway, that's my new theory and I'm sticking to it.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"SMICK818" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Luna's pretty smart. She'll do okay.

I agree. Michelle, you've learned from past mistakes and you have a plan.
Run with it, and best of luck to you. You've already proven a lot about
yourself with your weightloss up to this point. Be proud.

S t a c i

Luna said:

I have reasons to believe my depression is physical/chemical.

and yet you're going to do nothing about it.

brilliant.

oh and just for the record, i didn't "imply" that your thinking was
muddled. i stated it quite directly.

Perhaps you just need to butch up.

--
Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

Luna said:

I won't accept "advice" in the form of character insults, advice to get
therapy for a chemical imbalance, or advice to just kill myself.

for whatever it's worth, i don't think you have a chemical imbalance: i
think you just have a very muddled way of thinking.

It's interesting how different people's opinions can be. I've got you and
JC saying or implying that I have muddled thinking, I've had other people
on here tell me I'm smart and I make a lot of sense, I have you telling me
I'm a drama queen and other people in my real life telling me they like me
specifically because I'm not dramatic, and I've had people criticize me
for
being "too logical."

I have reasons to believe my depression is physical/chemical. It runs in
my family. It was at its worst when I was quitting smoking, cutting back
on caffeine, not eating meat, or not exercising. I went to therapy after
a
bad breakup, and my therapist told me that all the stuff I was feeling was
normal, and that I just needed time to heal and that she didn't think I
really needed therapy.

I've been reading on alt.support.stop-smoking that it's normal to feel
depressed even months after quitting, even when things were going well up
until then. Maybe just knowing that it's normal will help the next time,
or maybe I should look for some kind of medication to help me over the
hump, but I do have concerns about anti-depressants too.

I've been thinking today that maybe I don't need to wait to quit again
until I'm at goal weight. It's not the weight that matters so much as the
establishment of eating right and exercising as a habit. I was in that
groove for a while, but I slipped out. Maybe after a month of eating
right
and working out every day, then the habit will be established enough that
the nicotine withdrawals won't trigger me to slip back into bad habits.
Anyway, that's my new theory and I'm sticking to it.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

:
: I've been thinking today that maybe I don't need to wait to quit
again
: until I'm at goal weight. It's not the weight that matters so
much as the
: establishment of eating right and exercising as a habit. I was in
that
: groove for a while, but I slipped out. Maybe after a month of
eating right
: and working out every day, then the habit will be established
enough that
: the nicotine withdrawals won't trigger me to slip back into bad
habits.
: Anyway, that's my new theory and I'm sticking to it.
:
: --

luna,
over the months, i have read your posts, you do one thing that i
think you might want to address..................maybe
not..................

you OVER DO to the extent that you are doomed to failure, and imo,
its a set up that i am not sure you even know about.

EXERCISING everyday?
is that truly a reality for you?
what would be wrong with exercising every other day and giving
yourself a more "realistic" goal.......................

just a suggestion.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

Luna said:

I have reasons to believe my depression is physical/chemical.

and yet you're going to do nothing about it.

brilliant.

I never said I wasn't going to do anything about it. Recommitting to
strict low-carb and more exercise is what I'm doing about it. Before I
quit smoking I was already an occasional cheater and an occasional workout
skipper, and the stupor that came with nicotine withdrawals made those
problems worse, so it resulted in withdrawals + too much sugar + inactivity
+ weight gain = not caring about myself or my health any more. So I'm
going to try no sugar + regular exercise + weight loss = renewed optimism
and motivation to improve my health and take better care of myself,
including quitting smoking. Low-carb and exercising improve my mental and
emotional health, which gives me the tools to more likely be sucessful in
quitting smoking. I don't see what's muddled about that.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

In article <[email hidden]>,

rosie readandpost said:

:
: I've been thinking today that maybe I don't need to wait to quit
again
: until I'm at goal weight. It's not the weight that matters so
much as the
: establishment of eating right and exercising as a habit. I was in
that
: groove for a while, but I slipped out. Maybe after a month of
eating right
: and working out every day, then the habit will be established
enough that
: the nicotine withdrawals won't trigger me to slip back into bad
habits.
: Anyway, that's my new theory and I'm sticking to it.
:
: --

luna,
over the months, i have read your posts, you do one thing that i
think you might want to address..................maybe
not.................

you OVER DO to the extent that you are doomed to failure, and imo,
its a set up that i am not sure you even know about.

EXERCISING everyday?
is that truly a reality for you?
what would be wrong with exercising every other day and giving
yourself a more "realistic" goal.......................

just a suggestion.

I started out exercising every other day, and I have an inertia problem.
Objects at rest tend to stay at rest. Get up early on Monday to go to the
gym, sleep in on Tuesday, and it makes it that much harder to get up early
on Wednesday. Plus, I get a high from exercising that makes the whole rest
of my day better, and on the days I don't work out, I feel down and "blah,"
so I wake up the next morning feeling "blah" and I have to work against
that feeling to get myself out of bed early enough to go work out. I tried
alternating weight days with aerobics days, but it was too easy to skip the
gym on aerobics days and say "I'll just go jog after work" and then be too
tired after work to do it. So I'm going to split my weights workout into
upper and lower body, and that will get me to the gym every day because I
love the weight machines, and once I'm already there I might as well get on
the stair-stepper or treadmill first to warm up, and I know from experience
that when I leave the gym I have more energy than I know what to do with
the rest of the day, which generally means I end up running around and
actually playing with the kids at work instead of just "supervising."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

[email hidden] (~Ginger~) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I still want one now and then, but it isn't bad. I'm
amazed and very happy that I really did it! Good luck to you when you
are ready!

Ginger

Congratulations!!

My mother quit 30 years ago (no looking back), and still wants one now and then.

luna,
i wish you the best of everything, i really do!

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
: In article <[email hidden]>,
: " rosie readandpost" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:
: > :
: > : I've been thinking today that maybe I don't need to wait to
quit
: > again
: > : until I'm at goal weight. It's not the weight that matters so
: > much as the
: > : establishment of eating right and exercising as a habit. I
was in
: > that
: > : groove for a while, but I slipped out. Maybe after a month of
: > eating right
: > : and working out every day, then the habit will be established
: > enough that
: > : the nicotine withdrawals won't trigger me to slip back into
bad
: > habits.
: > : Anyway, that's my new theory and I'm sticking to it.
: > :
: > : --
: >
: > luna,
: > over the months, i have read your posts, you do one thing that i
: > think you might want to address..................maybe
: > not.................
: >
: > you OVER DO to the extent that you are doomed to failure, and
imo,
: > its a set up that i am not sure you even know about.
: >
: > EXERCISING everyday?
: > is that truly a reality for you?
: > what would be wrong with exercising every other day and giving
: > yourself a more "realistic" goal.......................
: >
: > just a suggestion.
: >
: >
:
: I started out exercising every other day, and I have an inertia
problem.
: Objects at rest tend to stay at rest. Get up early on Monday to
go to the
: gym, sleep in on Tuesday, and it makes it that much harder to get
up early
: on Wednesday. Plus, I get a high from exercising that makes the
whole rest
: of my day better, and on the days I don't work out, I feel down
and "blah,"
: so I wake up the next morning feeling "blah" and I have to work
against
: that feeling to get myself out of bed early enough to go work out.
I tried
: alternating weight days with aerobics days, but it was too easy to
skip the
: gym on aerobics days and say "I'll just go jog after work" and
then be too
: tired after work to do it. So I'm going to split my weights
workout into
: upper and lower body, and that will get me to the gym every day
because I
: love the weight machines, and once I'm already there I might as
well get on
: the stair-stepper or treadmill first to warm up, and I know from
experience
: that when I leave the gym I have more energy than I know what to
do with
: the rest of the day, which generally means I end up running around
and
: actually playing with the kids at work instead of just
"supervising."
:
: --
: Michelle Levin
: http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
:
: I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3
flaws.

In article <[email hidden]>,

rosie readandpost said:

luna,
i wish you the best of everything, i really do!

Thanks. btw, you know I can disagree with your opinions yet still
appreciate your intentions, right? Well, if you didn't, now you do. I
appreciate your helpful, giving spirit.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (~Ginger~)
wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I still want one now and then, but it isn't
bad. I'm amazed and very happy that I
really did it! Good luck to you when
you are ready!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ginger

(wilson) said:

Congratulations!!

Thanks!

Quoted message said:

My mother quit 30 years ago (no looking
back), and still wants one now and then.

So it never goes away completely. That's what I've heard. No looking
back for me either. Now it's back to low carbing since I've gotten one
bad habit out of my system. :-)

Ginger

"~Ginger~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

So it never goes away completely. That's what I've heard.

I quit ten years ago and I will get a craving for a ciggarette for like 10
seconds maybe once or twice a year. I never give in to it of course but I
find it strange that it happens.

: > luna,
: > i wish you the best of everything, i really do!
: >
: >
:
: Thanks. btw, you know I can disagree with your opinions yet still
: appreciate your intentions, right? Well, if you didn't, now you
do. I
: appreciate your helpful, giving spirit.
:
:

thanks for saying that luna...................i am glad that you
understand my intentions!
🙂