Recommitting

In article <[email hidden]>,

rosie readandpost said:

: > Bottom line. Smoking is much more likely to kill you than being
: > slightly overweight. Do you want to live or do you want to look
good?
:
: Both. :o) I want to quit smoking. I don't feel ready yet. It
takes tools
: that I don't have in my arsenal right now. I don't have resolve,
: commitment, willpower, mental strength, emotional strength, or
optimism
:

luna,
you would do yourself a lot more good, if you told yourself the
truth......................you don't really want to quit smoking.
it is a tremendous addiction, and you will come up with many, many
excuses before you finally surrender to the fact that you are an
addict and DON'T REALLY WANT TO QUIT!

i know....................... been there, done that!

hang in there, do what you want to do, but please STOP lying to
yourself.

Do you understand that people can have conflicting wants? Do you
understand that people can want to do something and not know how? What I'm
doing is no different from setting a quit date, like many smokers do, which
is actually recommended by many ex smokers on as3. What do you say to
someone who sets a quit date? Do you say "If you really wanted to quit
smoking, you'd do it now, not next week. You're just lying to yourself."

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

No. People who say...I did it, and you can too, do NOT understand that
people are different. It's sort of like saying MY WAY is the only way.
Good luck to you luna. You have accomplished a lot, and I'm sure that
you will continue to do so, in your own time. IMO the best thing that
you have going for you, is your common sense. You will be successful!

--
Cheri

Luna wrote in message ...

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Do you understand that people can have conflicting wants? Do you
understand that people can want to do something and not know how? What

I'm

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doing is no different from setting a quit date, like many smokers do,

which

Quoted message said:

is actually recommended by many ex smokers on as3. What do you say to
someone who sets a quit date? Do you say "If you really wanted to quit
smoking, you'd do it now, not next week. You're just lying to

yourself."

Quoted message said:

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3

flaws.

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Cheri said:

No. People who say...I did it, and you can too, do NOT understand that
people are different. It's sort of like saying MY WAY is the only way.
Good luck to you luna. You have accomplished a lot, and I'm sure that
you will continue to do so, in your own time. IMO the best thing that
you have going for you, is your common sense. You will be successful!

I'd like to add that I agree with Cheri. All the best to you. I know
how hard it is to quit the weed especially when you have depression to
cope with as well.
You will give up. I know I will give up too. You have my encouragement
and best wishes.

--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~

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Hang in there - Smoking is no easy habit to quit. It took my Dad many
years - not to quit - but to decide that it was time. He knew he needed to.
What made him quit was when he got the flu (or something) and it took over
two months afterwards for his lungs to clear up (from all the smoking). At
that point he was determined - it just wasn't worth being that sick.

It is the same way with a lot of us and trying to lose weight. Sometimes
you try to lose weight - because you know you should - but your heart isn't
in it. For me - it was when I ended up with high blood pressure, overweight
and having low blood sugar problems. My doctor looked at me and said if you
lose weight - the blood pressure and blood sugar problems will probably go
away. If you don't - the problems will get worse, you could develop
diabetes and be at risk for a stroke or heart attack. And then she proceded
to tell me the best way to lose weight would be to follow a low carb diet
like Atkins. So here I am. It took a reality check at the doctors office
to give me the push I needed to have the will power this time to follow a
diet and lose weight.

So far I have lost about 25 pounds (not sure of the exact weight I was when
I started - so I picked the closest five pounds). I still have about 50 to
go to be where I think I need to be. I can always change that goal once I
get closer to it. I haven't been that weight since I was 21 years old (I am
44 now). Good luck to everyone losing weight and attempting to stop other
bad habits. It aint always easy. I don't care how long it takes to lose
the other 50 - I just know eventually I can do it. I have the
determination, will power and support of nmy doctor.
Diane
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Cheri said:

No. People who say...I did it, and you can too, do NOT understand that
people are different. It's sort of like saying MY WAY is the only way.
Good luck to you luna. You have accomplished a lot, and I'm sure that
you will continue to do so, in your own time. IMO the best thing that
you have going for you, is your common sense. You will be successful!

I'd like to add that I agree with Cheri. All the best to you. I know
how hard it is to quit the weed especially when you have depression to
cope with as well.
You will give up. I know I will give up too. You have my encouragement
and best wishes.

--
yuluwirri
~~~~~~~
Fish know.
~~~~~~~

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: Do you understand that people can have conflicting wants?

of course i do..................BTDT!
luna, do not take what i have posted to you as a "personal insult"
because it was not meant as such.

: Do you understand that people can want to do something and not
know how?

of course i can. BTDT.

you know luna, i "hear" you making you and your addiction, different
from others.
that is a BIG mistake.
why not relax, and look for the similarities between all of us.

setting a date is a GREAT idea, using weight gain as an excuse not
to quit, is of course, your choice.

:................What I'm
: doing is no different from setting a quit date, like many smokers
do, which
: is actually recommended by many ex smokers on as3. What do you say
to
: someone who sets a quit date? Do you say "If you really wanted to
quit
: smoking, you'd do it now, not next week. You're just lying to
yourself."

no, what a lot of us in AS3 say, is DON'T QUIT QUITTING.
just keep quitting. no one has ever said, "sure go lose weight
first and then come back and try to quit smoking"...................
don't make excuses to continue with an addiction that WILL kill you.

luna, i don't know if you have heard the story about me and my
depression, REARING IT UGLY head when i quit smoking.
it was really quite scary, but with help, (pdoc and medication) and
AS3 to support me, i got the help i needed to deal with it!

again, let me say it again..............i am NOT judging you, but i
also don't want to "pat you on the head" and say "there,
there"...............
i work very hard at not enabling folks who struggle with addiction.
(it would be easier to just throw pablem at you, and just be
popular, but i need to sleep at night!)

rosie

"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Therapy is all about opinion. No facts whatsoever, and mumbo jumbo
: describes it very well. I agree with you that it only works if you
think
: it works, so it would be a good thing for those that need it,
cause it
: damned sure won't work for people who prefer to do their own
thinking,
: which is probably why the majority of people don't see therapists.
:-)
:
: --
: Cheri
:

wow, are you one of those folks who believes in "bootstraps" too?

cheri,
do you smoke?

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"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: No luna, lie to the therapist instead. LOL
:
: --
: Cheri
:
: rosie readandpost wrote in message ...
:
: >luna,
: >you would do yourself a lot more good, if you told yourself the
: >truth......................you don't really want to quit smoking.
: >it is a tremendous addiction, and you will come up with many,
many
: >excuses before you finally surrender to the fact that you are an
: >addict and DON'T REALLY WANT TO QUIT!
: >
: >i know....................... been there, done that!
: >
: >hang in there, do what you want to do, but please STOP lying to
: >yourself.
: >
: >
:
:

Any body that knows you Rosie, knows that you never insult anyone (GW
excepted) and knows that you are supportive. Never known you to insult a
genuine poster, and luna knows that too. :-)

--
Cheri

rosie readandpost wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

: Do you understand that people can have conflicting wants?

of course i do..................BTDT!
luna, do not take what i have posted to you as a "personal insult"
because it was not meant as such.

: Do you understand that people can want to do something and not
know how?

of course i can. BTDT.

you know luna, i "hear" you making you and your addiction, different
from others.
that is a BIG mistake.
why not relax, and look for the similarities between all of us.

setting a date is a GREAT idea, using weight gain as an excuse not
to quit, is of course, your choice.

:................What I'm
: doing is no different from setting a quit date, like many smokers
do, which
: is actually recommended by many ex smokers on as3. What do you say
to
: someone who sets a quit date? Do you say "If you really wanted to
quit
: smoking, you'd do it now, not next week. You're just lying to
yourself."

no, what a lot of us in AS3 say, is DON'T QUIT QUITTING.
just keep quitting. no one has ever said, "sure go lose weight
first and then come back and try to quit smoking"...................
don't make excuses to continue with an addiction that WILL kill you.

luna, i don't know if you have heard the story about me and my
depression, REARING IT UGLY head when i quit smoking.
it was really quite scary, but with help, (pdoc and medication) and
AS3 to support me, i got the help i needed to deal with it!

again, let me say it again..............i am NOT judging you, but i
also don't want to "pat you on the head" and say "there,
there"...............
i work very hard at not enabling folks who struggle with addiction.
(it would be easier to just throw pablem at you, and just be
popular, but i need to sleep at night!)

rosie

Yes. 2 packs of Marlboros a day. I have been smoking for 46 years.
Stopped for a month or two here and there, but obviously never quit. I'm
still a good person, and I don't need therapy. :-)

--
Cheri

rosie readandpost wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

cheri,
do you smoke?

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"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: No luna, lie to the therapist instead. LOL
:
: --
: Cheri
:
: rosie readandpost wrote in message ...
:
: >luna,
: >you would do yourself a lot more good, if you told yourself the
: >truth......................you don't really want to quit smoking.
: >it is a tremendous addiction, and you will come up with many,
many
: >excuses before you finally surrender to the fact that you are an
: >addict and DON'T REALLY WANT TO QUIT!
: >
: >i know....................... been there, done that!
: >
: >hang in there, do what you want to do, but please STOP lying to
: >yourself.
: >
: >
:
:

: I think in a hundred years or so, people will look back on current therapy
: and view it pretty much how we view exorcisms. A bunch of unscientific
: mumbo-jumbo that only works because people believe it will work.
:
: --
: Michelle Levin

Were you talking about therapy or organized religion? Or both?

Pat in TX

🙂

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Cheri

Pat wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Were you talking about therapy or organized religion? Or both?

Pat in TX

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Therapy is all about opinion. No facts whatsoever, and mumbo jumbo
describes it very well. I agree with you that it only works if you think
it works, so it would be a good thing for those that need it, cause it
damned sure won't work for people who prefer to do their own thinking,
which is probably why the majority of people don't see therapists. :-)

--
Cheri

No, that's not quite right. Therapy is all about problem solving, one way or
another.
IMO, cognitive behavioral therapy is a great way for someone to *learn* to zero
in on her own distorted or unhelpful thinking and habits.

Some folks think and think and think and get no where no matter how much they
do it.

A skilled guide can break the habit, so one *can* think more productively for
oneself in the future.

But one has to be willing to do the work, not just want to talk about it.

Susan

yes,
"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Yes. 2 packs of Marlboros a day. I have been smoking for 46 years.
: Stopped for a month or two here and there, but obviously never
quit. I'm
: still a good person, and I don't need therapy. :-)
:
: --
: Cheri
:

of course you are a good person.....................i just wondered
if you were a smoker, because you sound just like i did, before i
quit...............
🙂

btw, therapists aren't all bad..................

🙂

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:
: : I think in a hundred years or so, people will look back on
current therapy
: : and view it pretty much how we view exorcisms. A bunch of
unscientific
: : mumbo-jumbo that only works because people believe it will work.
: :
: : --
: : Michelle Levin
:
: Were you talking about therapy or organized religion? Or both?
:
: Pat in TX
:
:

ROTFLMAO!

"Susan " <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:.................. Therapy is all about problem solving, one way
or
: another.
: IMO, cognitive behavioral therapy is a great way for someone to
*learn* to zero
: in on her own distorted or unhelpful thinking and habits.
:
: Some folks think and think and think and get no where no matter
how much they
: do it.
:
: A skilled guide can break the habit, so one *can* think more
productively for
: oneself in the future.
:
: But one has to be willing to do the work, not just want to talk
about it.
:
: Susan

AMEN!
(well said susan!)

Luna wrote:

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It started when I tried to quit smoking.
And failed. Sorry guys. I think I need
medical help with this, and my dad's
going to help with the cost when he gets
some checks in.

When you are ready to try again, I highly recommend The Patch! I tried
to quit smoking several times and could never go more than 3 days. I
finally bought the patch and am very happy to say that I have quit
smoking after 20 years of smoking about a pack a day. I used all of
"Step 1" which was 28 days/patches, and bought step 2 (14 days/patches)
and didn't even need to use them all, because I was getting a headache
from them. Believe me, I never thought I could really quit and I really
recommend the patch for anyone who is seriously trying to quit. At about
day 5, I wanted to kill a few people, (it wasn't pretty) but that was
the worse day. I still want one now and then, but it isn't bad. I'm
amazed and very happy that I really did it! Good luck to you when you
are ready!

Ginger

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It's sort of like saying MY WAY is the only way.

Sadly, from reading this thread I surmise there's a whole lot of that going
around and masquerading as support. I think they should create a side group.
alt.holierthanthou.diet.low-carb.

Or just a cage match would be nice.

Luna's pretty smart. She'll do okay.

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"SMICK818" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:.............. I think they should create a side group
alt.holierthanthou.diet.low-carb.
:
:

interesting interpretation of posts that are meant to SUPPORT (not
enable stinking thinking), and let luna know that she CAN do this,
and hopefully, BEFORE she does any great damage from those damn
cancer sticks.

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(The Queen of Cans and Jars) said:

Luna said:

[email hidden] (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for all the "support."
>
> have you considered therapy?

How many times on this group do I have to say I've already tried it and it
didn't help?

so, if you do something wrong the first time you automatically think
it's worthless?

is that the way it works?

You think it's better to try the same thing over and over when it's been
shown not to work?

you know there's more than one effective way to lose weight, that not
everything that works for one person works for everyone else. try
applying that principle to therapy.

it could be something as simple as joining the local hospital's "quit
smoking" program or something like that, you know. you need to start
somewhere.

or you can just keep being a non-quitting drama queen. you do seem to
like it, so it must be working for you on some level.

" rosie readandpost" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Cheri" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
: Therapy is all about opinion. No facts whatsoever, and mumbo jumbo
: describes it very well. I agree with you that it only works if you
think
: it works, so it would be a good thing for those that need it,
cause it
: damned sure won't work for people who prefer to do their own
thinking,
: which is probably why the majority of people don't see therapists.
:-)
:
: --
: Cheri
:

wow, are you one of those folks who believes in "bootstraps" too?

Some people say bootstraps don't exist and are just a myth.
Tom
210/180/180

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