Yet another doping threat (Viennese Blood)
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Article where Donati claims that most of the steroid trade is controlled by the Russian mafia:Cobblestones said:
http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=8655
Wouldn't it be funny if Klodi goes down for Freiburg, Contadope goes down for OP, and Leipheimer goes down for Vienna? That would take the wind out of Bruyneel's sails.
Leipheimer was on Rabobank and Gerolsteiner at the same time riders were moving to transfusions. It seems possible he could be involved.
Leipheimer was on Rabobank and Gerolsteiner at the same time riders were moving to transfusions. It seems possible he could be involved.
Wow...Boogerd's wife sounded just disappointed that her husband had been linked to a doping affair...but there was no denial.Bro Deal said:
Vienna blood bank: ARD in retreat?
http://www.cyclingheroes.info/id1105.html
What I did not publish... the rumour mill says the ARD board wasn't happy with yesterdays reporting. Others weren't happy as well: Garmisch is a candidate for the winter olympics....
http://www.cyclingheroes.info/id1105.html
What I did not publish... the rumour mill says the ARD board wasn't happy with yesterdays reporting. Others weren't happy as well: Garmisch is a candidate for the winter olympics....
Are you sure that the face is not a result of his blushing from all the lies he's telling?Bro Deal said:
While ARD is more carefull... Austrian media report that the scandal is much bigger as they thought. Apart from cyclists and the nordic ski athletes, swimmers and at least two footbal (soccer) players are involved:
http://www.kurier.at/sportundmotor/121941.php
http://www.kurier.at/sportundmotor/121941.php
In spite of that, you mentioned that the ARD board was not very happy with their reporting. Do you think this new report by the Austrian media will have any impact on ARD?cyclingheroes said:
Not yet but magazines like Speigel and newspapers like Süddeutsche will continue to cover the story and ARD will have to follow them at some point.TheDarkLord said:
I don't think it's very productive making doping suggestions only based on winning. If you have any information or rumours on missed tests, suspicious blood vaules, former sanctions, doubious trainers, suspicious "out of the blue" form peaks etc. please feel free to submit them.bambi said:
Cycling is not the only sport with a dope problem, but according to the WADA statistics, cycling has a far higher percentage of advers analytical findigs (2006: 4,17 %) than e.g. skiing (1,95 %) or biathlon (1,92 %). In fact, cycling has by far the highest percentage of AAF's of all major olympic sports.
If the rumours are true: Why did the Rabobank riders choose Vienna? Strange...
Humanplasma headquarters are in Vienna but they also had facilities in Eastern-Germany (where the biathlon and cross-skiers have their training facilities... but that's probebly just a coincedenceRAGT said:
). Maybe they had some in the Netherlands too?
I am not sure it is fair to compare cycling in 2006 (when $h!t was already hitting the fan) with other sports that have stayed below the radar (in terms of doping scandals). What is the fraction of busted riders in cycling before OP or Festina? Was the fraction high even at that time?RAGT said:
I'd agree with that view in general, but when you see patterns of teams - ie not an individual rider, but many riders from the same team - dominating, like Astana did in the DL last year, or as in the final ITT of last year's Tour when 7 of the top 8 riders were Disco or Caisse riders, then I think it's legitimate to speculate that something's not right.RAGT said:
The WADA statistics for AAF in cycling are:TheDarkLord said:
2005 - 3,78 %
2004 - 4,60 %
2003 - 3,93 %
I have not seen any statistics pre 2003. Pre-Festina, you would not find any WADA statistics, given that WADA was created because of the Festina...
The statistics can be found at this site (Laboratory statistics)
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/dynamic.ch2?pageCategory.id=594
Late in the Tour, yes... Or if three riders from the same team TTT away from the peloton in the FW with 70 km to go in the 1990s...Leafer said:
But I would say that a team dominating the DL may just be a team that is too good too early. (Or it may just be the only top team in which the riders are not anemic from a trip to Vienna or a similar place, so they need to use some others blood later on
)
TheDarkLord said:
OP didn't 'bust' all that many riders. There was Ullrich, Sevilla, Basso and the LS team. which were excluded from the TdF (were all of them banned in the end?). I wonder if that even made a significant impact on the doping statistics that year. Now, if all riders which were actually involved had been banned, it would have been a completely different thing. But that did not happen for various reasons and instead the whole OP is just dragging on and on until all involved are retired and interest is gone. It's a 'gift that keeps giving', or rather, a pile of ****, that keeps rotting.
cyclingheroes said:
well is all busted open tonight:
■German television station ARD has accused Michael Rasmussen, Michael Boogerd and Denis Menchov of receiving illegal blood transfusions at an Austrian lab. The report said about 30 athletes, mostly Germans, received transfusions in Vienna...... more to come.......
Yes on ZDF tonight and all other stations, newspapers etc. but ARD tonight ...zero!whiteboytrash said:
The German Ski Federation (DSV) announced that they will sue the ARD reporters that brought yesterdays story. My sources say ARD is very angry at reporter Hajo Seppelt.
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