Tour Not Clean yet: at least one rider sample positive

[Bjorn P.Dal]

Et tu, Landis?

Well, this sucks. Although I thought testosterone was fairly easy to test for and was detectable for quite a while after you take it. It seems strange that Landis would use something that was detectable when he was going for a stage win and would be tested if he succeeded. But then again, who would have thought Heras would use EPO when he had the Vuelta well in hand.

Riders who had miraculous changes in performance during the race: Cunego, Landis, Pereiro.

Hear me now:

German doctor Kurt Moosburger, who has looked after Jörg Jaksche (among others) for the past two years, has told dpa that he believes that performance enhancing drugs are "indispensable" for high level cycling

In a frank interview, Moosburger pointed to the average speeds of modern professional races, especially hard tours. "The average in last year's Tour was 41 kilometres per hour - that is incredible. You can do a hard Alpine stage without doping. But after that, the muscles are exhausted. You need - depending on your training conditions - up to three days in order to regenerate."

To help recover, testosterone and human growth hormone can be used. "Both are made by the body and are therefore natural substances," he said. "They help to build muscle as well as in muscle recovery."

Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum and leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually recovers faster."

Dr Moosburger went onto explain that, "The supply of oxygen to the blood decides what the body is capable of in terms of fat- and carbohydrate metabolism. This capacity is mostly genetically determined.The muscles of athletes who are able to reach the top level of sport can carry about 60 millilitres per kilo per minute in an untrained condition. That of an average person is only about 40 millilitres per kilo. In order to be able to keep up with the world's best, it must be 85 to 90 millilitres.

EPO helps oxygen carrying capacity, and has long been the performance enhancing drug of choice in endurance sports. "It enables you to hold the haematocrit of the blood in the upper level of what's allowed for the whole season. Before the EPO test, for example, athletes injected 4000 units three times per week. Now they inject a small dose almost daily."

Finally, in the opinion of Dr Moosburger, blood doping via transfusion would give an athlete a five percent boost for two to three weeks. "And therefore can last for a grand tour."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul07news3

 

[cyclingheroes]

Speculations... what i find interesting is that if they have a positive A-probe the UCI can't name the rider which is correct. Funny that they can name riders if they only have indications without a probe. Double standards.

 

[SaintAndrew]

Speculations... what i find interesting is that if they have a positive A-probe the UCI can't name the rider which is correct. Funny that they can name riders if they only have indications without a probe. Double standards.

so true my friend.

 

[Bro Deal]

Dr Moosburger explained how it was done. "You put a standard testosterone patch that is used for male hormone replacement therapy on your scrotum and leave it there for about six hours. The small dose is not sufficient to produce a positive urine result in the doping test, but the body actually recovers faster."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul07news3

I guess there is a reason for pros to shave a little higher than I shave.

 

[11ring]

Well she did embezel money, so tax cheating seems not out of the ordinary. unless you were being sarcastic, then sorry.

that's certainly a little bit of positive news. who knows tho'. if it's floyd, i may just start bawling. that would be like finding out that mother teresa cheated on her taxes or something

 

[longbottom]

Germany maybe???? Kloden?????

Unlikely, at least if the sample was indeed from after the Morzine stage. He was not among the first in this stage, nor among the first three in the Overall classement, nor did he wear any jersey, and as far as I know, he wasn't drawn to make an additional sample either. I am not 100% sure about the last point, but it would be news for me, if he was drawn.

 

[Capt.Injury]

Unlikely, at least if the sample was indeed from after the Morzine stage. He was not among the first in this stage, nor among the first three in the Overall classement, nor did he wear any jersey, and as far as I know, he wasn't drawn to make an additional sample either. I am not 100% sure about the last point, but it would be news for me, if he was drawn.

Did i miss something, but are you speculating about Morzine stage? I haven't heard or read anything saying it was that stage in particular. If its something you read, just steer me towards it, its very well I missed it.

 

[whiteboytrash]

Unlikely, at least if the sample was indeed from after the Morzine stage. He was not among the first in this stage, nor among the first three in the Overall classement, nor did he wear any jersey, and as far as I know, he wasn't drawn to make an additional sample either. I am not 100% sure about the last point, but it would be news for me, if he was drawn.

The London Times confirms that it was either Landis or Pererio that has tested positive for Testosterone after the Morzine stage.... reports also say that Landis has withdrawn from post-Tour criteruims.... sad day really.......

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28910-2287959,00.html

 

[whiteboytrash]

Did i miss something, but are you speculating about Morzine stage? I haven't heard or read anything saying it was that stage in particular. If its something you read, just steer me towards it, its very well I missed it.

THE Tour de France was bracing itself for further shocks last night after it emerged that a high-profile rider was alleged to have a failed a doping test during the final week of this year’s race.

According to sources in France, the rider concerned is said to have tested positive for testosterone after last Thursday’s stage through the Alps to Morzine, which was won, after a 130-kilometre solo breakaway, by Floyd Landis, of the United States. Landis went on to secure overall victory in the 2006 Tour, which finished in Paris on Sunday.

 

[Capt.Injury]

THE Tour de France was bracing itself for further shocks last night after it emerged that a high-profile rider was alleged to have a failed a doping test during the final week of this year’s race.

According to sources in France, the rider concerned is said to have tested positive for testosterone after last Thursday’s stage through the Alps to Morzine, which was won, after a 130-kilometre solo breakaway, by Floyd Landis, of the United States. Landis went on to secure overall victory in the 2006 Tour, which finished in Paris on Sunday.

Thanks WBT, this was the first time I saw that. This would be more devastating then the pre Tour scandal if it does turn out that its Landis, and the B sample tests positive

 

[whiteboytrash]

Thanks WBT, this was the first time I saw that. This would be more devastating then the pre Tour scandal if it does turn out that its Landis, and the B sample tests positive

4 riders are tested after each stage.. the winner (Landis), the yellow jersey (Perineo) and two randoms..... so its a 1 in 4 chance its Landis... even if it was Perineo its still a very bad thing......

 

[rob of the og]

I just found some new info. The national federation of the rider has been contacted. The USA federation has not been contacted.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060726/ap_on_sp_ot/cyc_tour_de_france_doping_6

If the federations for France, Spain, Italy, and Belgium have also not been contacted then we are left with a small list of riders--especially if it is a "name" rider.

It's probably nothing to do with the US cycling federation. Landis lives in Spain and rides for a Swiss team so is probably registered in one of those countries. Any info will be passed on to the relevant local federation.

The investigation into Ullrich is being carried out by the Swiss federation because he lives in Switzerland, regardless of his German passport and (former) team.

 

[Bro Deal]

It's probably nothing to do with the US cycling federation. Landis lives in Spain and rides for a Swiss team so is probably registered in one of those countries. Any info will be passed on to the relevant local federation.

The investigation into Ullrich is being carried out by the Swiss federation because he lives in Switzerland, regardless of his German passport and (former) team.

Ullrich races with a Swiss license. Landis races with a USA one.

 

[rob of the og]

Ullrich races with a Swiss license. Landis races with a USA one.

From the ProTour website:
23 78 ULLRICH Jan (GER) GER19731202 T-Mobile Team 62

and yet the investigation is carried out where he lives.

 

[El Loto]

Landis lives in San Diego too.

 

[whiteboytrash]

From the ProTour website:
23 78 ULLRICH Jan (GER) GER19731202 T-Mobile Team 62

and yet the investigation is carried out where he lives.

Dickbrain.... In the Tyler Hamilton saga the US cycling federation delt with the case no the Spanish federation where he lived.... besides Landis and Hamilton were domiciled in the US where Ullrich spends all of his time in Switzerland... ie pays Swiss tax.... Landis spends more than 3 months a year in the US, pays US tax and is under the US cycling federation….

All of this is irrelevant anyway because the US cycling federation where not contacted by the UCI at the time of the interview and the US anti-doping federation gave a short sharp “no comment” not a “no we haven’t been contacted”…. Scary !

 

[wicklow200]

Landis lives in San Diego too.

I know lives and based are not the same thing, but...

(From Pez Cycling)
Reporter 3: Where are you based in Europe?

Floyd: I’m based in Girona, like all the other Americans. It’s nice, nice to have Americans around. I don’t know exactly why they picked Girona, but the training is good. The weather is not perfect in the spring.

 

[meandmybike]

From the ProTour website:
23 78 ULLRICH Jan (GER) GER19731202 T-Mobile Team 62

and yet the investigation is carried out where he lives.

The investigation is carried out by the federation with whom the rider holds a licence. David Millar lived in France, rode for a French team and admitted his guilt to the French Police but it was British Cycling that banned him because he raced on a British licence.

 

[rob of the og]

Dickbrain.... In the Tyler Hamilton saga the US cycling federation delt with the case no the Spanish federation where he lived....

Chill out, we know Hamilton lives in the US. I understood Landis lived fulltime over here in Europe, but I'll take your word for it that any case would be handled by the US people.

 

[Pablo_e]

Think about this:

- Landis starts 6 secondes later on the Prologue (Strasbourg - Strasbourg). So he would not get the yellow jersey.
- He had on stage 11, 12 and 15 the yellow jersey, but that was only because he had to go with Kloden, Menchov or Evans.
- He did almost everything that he could do to lose the yellow jersey.

And what i know is that only the yellow jersey, the winner of a stage and 2 or 3 others from the peleton..have to do a dopingcontrol.

So you can say he wanted to avoid the dopingcontrol.