Tour Not Clean yet: at least one rider sample positive



tcklyde said:
Well it happened again. L'Equipe doped an American rider and got him caught. I'm sick to death of these French reporters framing honest cyclists!
I love it!
 
cyclingheroes said:
Picture: The cover of todays Sportwereld (Belgium) as an attachment

Edit: the title says: the big cheaters
There is talk this morning on the German forums that Landis was actually "target" tested. They picked him our because of his climbing form between the Dauphine-Libre and the Tour. They also noted that Sevilla and Mancebo were trying there best to attack during this race to avoid suspicion that they had doped. (by extracting blood). There is also talk of another doctor being revealed who doped cyclists.
 
Catabolic_Jones said:
Good lord, say it isn't so. After his heroic performance, we all wanted to believe; the sport needed something like that to salvage itself from the wreck of Puerto. But if this is a necessary phase, then I hope for more let downs; I hope all the dopers are caught soon, not just Landis. I guess this will mean Pereiro is our champion. I hope he is not just a 'more clever' doper, but a truly clean rider. I am starting to believe there is no such thing.

What a sad day.

You don't think it will be over that quickly do you?

There will be (is) denials, excuses, alleged complications due to other drugs and then the court battles to prove that he is naturally high in testosterone (which he will probably win).

David Millar set the standard. It is a pity that others hold themselves up as more important than the sport.
 
azdroptop said:
I'm still not getting why Testosterone. Obviously it improves strength, imcreases protein synthesis, and increases metabolism, but did he start it during the race? Or was he on it all along?

Most riders get caught because of a mistake. Dose, timing, routine.

Landis may have decided it was all or nothing after the disappointment of stage 16.

He had all and now he has nothing.
 
mitosis said:
You don't think it will be over that quickly do you?

There will be (is) denials, excuses, alleged complications due to other drugs and then the court battles to prove that he is naturally high in testosterone (which he will probably win).

David Millar set the standard. It is a pity that others hold themselves up as more important than the sport.

That gets it spot on. First thing to do when caught doping (after the public denial of course) is to muddy the waters. Say you had a twin as a foetus, or you had a couple of beers, or a bad case of excema or naturally high hematocrit or the test is unreliable or the French lab is corrupt or ....etc etc ad nauseum.
After the positive tests we get lots of threads on here where people question the testing protocol, with varying degrees of scientific knowledge to back up their arguments. You have to applaud people for questioning things for themselves (and I mean that without any sarcasm) but it's all part of the process of muddying the waters around drug testing. We say we all want stringent, effective drug testing in cycling and then we throw stones at the testers when do actually catch someone.
 
mitosis said:
You don't think it will be over that quickly do you?

There will be (is) denials, excuses, alleged complications due to other drugs and then the court battles to prove that he is naturally high in testosterone (which he will probably win).

David Millar set the standard. It is a pity that others hold themselves up as more important than the sport.
You are most likely correct. The whole depressing self serving theatre of denial and blame ducking will go on and on and kif it did it would not be the first time a man added lying nad obfuscation to cheating among his wrongdoings.
 
whiteboytrash said:
Good point and I loathe bringing it up but another USPS cyclist is caught again..... what did they teach them in that team ! ?
Uuuhm...USPS didn't teach them. Stop making accusations and libelous slander where there is no proof.

Two years, nine doping scandals: The Phonak legacy

By Tim Maloney, European Editor



The cycling team with the most doping scandals; is this how Phonak will be remembered?



Although the definitive results of American Floyd Landis' "B" sample from Stage 17 of the 2006 Tour de France are not yet available, and may not be communicated for a few weeks, it's now clear that Phonak can claim the dubious prize as the cycling team with the greatest frequency of doping scandals in the sport.



The first big scandal broke for the Swiss squad just before the 2004 Olympics in Athens, when 1998 world champ Oscar Camenzind was found positive for EPO from a surprise, out of competition test conducted by the UCI. The former postman subsequently retired.



Next up in the scandal sweepstakes for Phonak were American Tyler Hamilton and Spanish rider Santi Perez. After winning a time trial in the 2004 Vuelta a España, the newly crowned Olympic TT champ was controlled positive for blood doping in Athens. Hamilton's Phonak team-mate Santi Perez, who finished second in the '04 Vuelta, was also controlled positive for blood doping when he was checked at home with a surprise test. Both riders were given two year suspensions.



Even though the Swiss squad cleaned house by firing key management in late 2004, last year produced more Phonak doping scandals under new management. First, Slovenian rider Tomas Nose was caught with illicit doping products in his suitcase at the Tour of Georgia, and was fired by Phonak in April. Just before last year's Dauphiné Libéré in June, Spanish rider Santi Gonzalez was found to have high haematocrit in a team check and was fired by Phonak. In August, Fabrizio Guidi tested positive for EPO, but his B sample returned a negative result, so he was cleared, and is still racing with the team.



As 2006 opened, another Phonak rider, Sascha Urweider, was positive for testosterone in March for Phonak's sixth doping issue in less than two years. In June, the news about Spain's "Operación Puerto" broke, heavily implicating Giro d'Italia runner-up Jose Enrique Gutierrez of Spain, nicknamed "El Bufalo", and Colombian Santiago Botero. Phonak quickly suspended both riders, who were slated to be key support riders for Landis at the Tour; Botero has subsequently retired from cycling.



Phonak Scandal Number Nine is the biggest and baddest of them all, as American Floyd Landis has now tested positive for "abnormal" levels of testosterone at the Tour and has been suspended by his team. Landis has said he will now consult Spanish doctor Luis Hernandez, to try to prove to cycling authorities that his elevated testosterone levels are naturally higher than normal. Landis' former teammate Santiago Botero managed to prove he had high testosterone levels in 1999, while Botero was a member of the Kelme team and his team doctor was Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes, the Spanish gynaecologist at the heart of the Operación Puerto investigation.