"Slugger" <
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> Macs don't even compete with windows. Apple innovates and M$ theives.
> Plain and simple.
One could say Apple does the same thing, in the case of the mac they got
much of the technology from Xerox, even the Ipod was somewhat based on
existing MP3 players, they do have a great design but also got exclusive use
of new and smaller hard drives which other companies couldn't get when they
created the first hard drive based players
> Mac's are expensive?
> Compared to a Dell they are cheaper.
> Go to Dell's website and configure an XPS(their top of the line
> home/office PC), then go to Apple's site and configure a G5.
Apples to oranges (pun intended), Apple now only deals with dual processor
models whereas Dell does not at least for consumer systems, I could go
elsewhere and get a dual AMD Opteron system with a better graphics card for
less than what I just looked at with Apple
> The mac wins in price and performance.
> Bottom of the line G5 for 1999.00 is a dual 1.8ghz
Wanna know WHY Apples only offers dual processor models? Because IBM can't
produce anything as fast as what Intel and AMD currently put out (yet). The
only way Apple can even come close speedwise is with the dualies, note they
are also all water cooled because it is almost a requirement with the G5 but
isn't with AMD (note Intel now is running into heat problems on the new
Northgate processors)
Apple has in the past made outlandish claims as far as performance that has
never been backed up and refuted many times dating back to the original
imac, while the G4 and 5 are good processors they aren't nearly as powerful
as Intel or AMD. (remember last years "fastest desktop made?" campaign? It
was bogus when actual independent tests were done
Here's a few benchmarks from a quick Google search
http://www.alienware.com/review_pages/review_template.aspx?FileName=review_macworld_1203.asp
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/desktops/0,39023846,39117451,00.htm
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112749,pg,8,00.asp
Look em up all you want, the result is the same, while it is a step up for
Apple it still doesn't beat a high end PC
> top of the line XPS is 3.2ghz for 1999.00 add 3.4ghz upgrade the the
> Dell for another 760.00 because it will need a speed boost(not that it
> will make much difference.). There was no option to add a second CPU to
> match the Dual CPU's on the low end mac so i just upgraded the XPS to
> 3.4ghz, i'm sure adding another similar CPU would cost another 700
> bux.)
Yes if you went Intel, if you went AMD it would be much cheaper and far more
powerful. And Dell doesn't deal with dual processors for regular customers
however we have quite a few dual and quad Dells at work
> Now add the firewire ports to the XPS. Since they don't offer the FW800
> ports we'll add 4 FW400's to match the mac's 2x400's and 2x800's
> thats 50 bux each. In fact it doesn't look possible to add more than
> one FW port, at least not on the site.
Don't need to, the vast majority use USB
I have a firewire drive and a couple of ports, almost never used since to me
USB is more convenient and much more supported. The new FW800 is twice as
fast but its also fairly new and not that many devices take advantage of the
speed.
Apple shot themselves in the foot with firewire, one of the reasons USB
became so popular even when it wasn't as good was because of the high
royalty price Apple wanted for it, motherboard makers chose USB instead
> Add another 30 bux for the media software to match Apple's iLife apps
> that come free with the system.
Why are you bringing the PC up to Mac standards? Instead you need to go the
other way. For instance if you are a gamer the Mac is out of the picture
completely, even with the same video card the Mac doesn't come close in
sheer performance
And since we are now talking software consider the fact the PC has far more
titles available for it than the Mac
> Add Norton because your PC isn't safe with out it.
Lol Norton sucks in my opinion, use McAffee, if you want a firewall don't
use either and get a router
> Add another 80 bucks for the XP pro edition. You know, for the added
> security!!
We've discussed that in previous threads but for now you are correct
> Security is free with the mac.
Nonsense, the fact is no hacker will waste his time on 3% of the market when
he can do far more damage to 90% which is why exploits on the Mac haven't
been found yet, no software is perfect and neither is OSX. Since it appears
Apple is starting to move away from computers in general I doubt they ever
go beyond the share of the market they currently have.
> Ok in all fairness the XPS gives you a monitor with it. A value of
> about 150 bux. And also in all fairness the PC comes with elcheapo
> kodak camera. a value of 100 bux.
Actually the camera is pretty nice and worth more than $100, a couple of
guys at work got Dells and the cameras, and in all honesty $150 will get you
a shitty monitor
> The PC comes with more RAM so add 75 bux to the mac.
> And another 50 bux to get the video card to be similar(in RAM) to the
> PC's.
> The mac's total without monitor is 2124.00
I was pricing the 2.5ghz dual G5 which came out to almost $3,000
> The PC with imaginary 4 FW ports and monitor and free crappy camera
> comes to 3058.00
> Lets be good to Dell and take off 500 bux for the monitor and crappy
> camera.
> Still the total equals 2558.00 for the XPS and the Mac for a mere
> 2124.00
>
> Sure you could go to Walmart and buy a vanilla PC for cheap, but it
> won't be half the computer that Apple or Dell is selling.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Sorry but that was a funny one, the reason why I build my own PC's is
because I could get a far better machine without going through proprietary
Apple stuff and semi-proprietary Dell stuff (Dell has non-standard
motherboards with non-standard power supplies and they only seem to work
with Dell keyboards)
But since most do not build their own machines please continue
> Ok so never mind the price, the mac wins,whatever.
> The Dual G5 will run circles around the XPS.
Again comparing Apples to oranges
> The G5 beats AMD chips in 4 out of 5 speed tests.
According to who? I hope you aren't getting this from Apple, they tend to
inflate figures quite a bit (see above)
> AMD is faster than
> intel chips on single operations. intel excels over AMD on multitasking
> operations.
Actually the tests go back and forth between Intel and AMD regardless of
multitasking, while Intel does have Hyperthreading the AMD chip is much more
efficient, remember the AMD is running a full gigahertz below the compared
Intel chip
> The G5 is a true speed champ.
Only in Apples mind, unfortunatly for them the rest of the world knows
better which is why Apple has only 3% of the market down from a high of 5%
10 years ago
> So price/performance the G5 Mac wins hands down.
Umm no
> And i don't get viruses.
I don't either and I rarely run anti-virus software btw
> And i don't have to wonder what the hell is going with my PC since
> windows is the most inconsistant POS i have ever used.
I haven't rebooted XP now in about 3 or 4 months at least between the 2
machines I have, in fact the last time I did was because I installed new
video drivers not because it crashed. The problem Apple doesn't have to deal
with that Microsoft does is Apple has complete control of the core machine,
Microsoft has to deal with thousands of different configurations that don't
often conform to standards, not defending Microsoft but in my opinion the
biggest cause of crashes is due to things other than the operating system
such as crappy drivers etc. I'm not saying Microsoft doesn't have its share
of bugs but much that has been written about crashing computers isn't their
fault.
> ok i'm done venting now.
> Just so you know Ed, macs are competitively priced to their equivalent.
> I'm not trying to talk you into switching, since you have already
> stated you are incapable of learning anything new. Simply pointing out
> that you are wrong about your assumptions on the mac.
Oddly enough I have to agree with Ed on this one (shudder)
