vegetarians

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live?
You might need a little milk or eggs to supplement the missing animal
components.
Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products - they produce a
powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins.
Anth

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hi
should vegetarians be taking vitamins because they dont get the stuff
that meat contains.

any answers will be helpful

michelle

Michelle,

The short answer is "YES". A strict vegetarian is
probably not getting enough vitamin B. However, there
are some (not necessarily the majority) of vegetarians
and even vegans who maintain good health for a long
life without supplements. My guess, is that it has
something to do with genetic makeup, or perhaps
something else in their environment that compensates.

marvin

Marvin L. Zinn
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Subject: Re: vegetarians
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 2/20/2004 10:08 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live?
You might need a little milk or eggs to supplement the missing animal
components.
Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products - they produce a
powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins.
Anth

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all
the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

An explanation.

We believe that "In the beginning God created ... man and woman." We also
believe that when God created us that He made us unique, with the freedom to
choose. And yet how could we choose without gaining information. He gave us the
information we needed to choose wisely, unfortunately, throughout history, we
have a reputation of disregarding God's wisdom and instead following our own
foolish ideas. This is in regard to whom we would follow right down the line to
what would be important to us. This included what we would eat, drink and how
we would live. God told us to eat the "seed-bearing plant on the face of the
whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it", Genesis 1:29, in
other words, fruits, seeds, nuts and grains. (By the way, He gave the green
plants for the animals to eat.) We were to eat in addition the fruit from the
tree of life. From these foods, we would receive all the nourishment we would
need to live forever. After the fall, however, we would no longer have access
to the tree of life, and thus would no longer live forever. At that time God
told us to add to our diet the plants of the field, greens, vegetables, Genesis
3:18. This addition would replace the necessary nutrients, needed for a healthy
body, (not an everlasting one),that we would no longer be receiving from the
tree of life.. On this diet, man lived to an average age of 912 years without a
single recorded instance of sickness! It was not until after the flood, when
man had grown so wicked that God regretted creating man and so destroyed the
earth, that God gave permission for man to eat certain meats that were to be
prepared in certain ways. In less that 10 generations on this type of
lifestyle, man's average age went from 912 to 100 years of age. Today that
average is about 70! What we are encouraging is for us to return to the
lifestyle God originally told us to follow for good health. In so doing, we
believe that we can give our bodies the nutrients that God created us as
needing, in order to rebuild our much depleted immune system and also to build
healthy cells for a healthier body.

I believe ths explanation to be correct.

There will be naysayers who will say it is sales hype.

Jan

I'm not that up on the bible, but if I was you I would take the religious
nuts with a pinch of salt -they use the bible as a source for their own
ignorance.
If they had only taken the time to read and understand the bible, they would
see that milk and animals are included as goodies to eat.

(Try a google search 'hallelujah diet dangerous' and or look on the
Hallelujah Acres site - you will see that they now advocate vitamin B12 in
supplement form in their vegan diet)

A completely vegan diet (Genesis?) lacking in vitamin B12 would eventually
put you at risk from a deficiency of B12.
The body has large stores of B12 as it is needed to make various body
machinery including DNA,blood cells and also myelin nerve sheaths.
Older (more natural/better?) farming methods would have contained
contaminants (from insects/bacteria?) which would have added to the bodies
B12 stores.

Argument :-
We have strong HCL in our guts which is used to break down animal proteins
and to make B12. We have canine teeth 'designed' to process meat.
Herbivores are mostly lacking in these features i.e. we are not herbivores.

Anth

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 2/20/2004 10:08 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live?
You might need a little milk or eggs to supplement the missing animal
components.
Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products - they produce a
powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins.
Anth

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of

all

Quoted message said:

the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding

seed;

Quoted message said:

to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

An explanation.

We believe that "In the beginning God created ... man and woman." We also
believe that when God created us that He made us unique, with the freedom

to

Quoted message said:

choose. And yet how could we choose without gaining information. He gave

us the

Quoted message said:

information we needed to choose wisely, unfortunately, throughout history,

we

Quoted message said:

have a reputation of disregarding God's wisdom and instead following our

own

Quoted message said:

foolish ideas. This is in regard to whom we would follow right down the

line to

Quoted message said:

what would be important to us. This included what we would eat, drink and

how

Quoted message said:

we would live. God told us to eat the "seed-bearing plant on the face of

the

Quoted message said:

whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it", Genesis 1:29,

in

Quoted message said:

other words, fruits, seeds, nuts and grains. (By the way, He gave the

green

Quoted message said:

plants for the animals to eat.) We were to eat in addition the fruit from

the

Quoted message said:

tree of life. From these foods, we would receive all the nourishment we

would

Quoted message said:

need to live forever. After the fall, however, we would no longer have

access

Quoted message said:

to the tree of life, and thus would no longer live forever. At that time

God

Quoted message said:

told us to add to our diet the plants of the field, greens, vegetables,

Genesis

Quoted message said:

3:18. This addition would replace the necessary nutrients, needed for a

healthy

Quoted message said:

body, (not an everlasting one),that we would no longer be receiving from

the

Quoted message said:

tree of life.. On this diet, man lived to an average age of 912 years

without a

Quoted message said:

single recorded instance of sickness! It was not until after the flood,

when

Quoted message said:

man had grown so wicked that God regretted creating man and so destroyed

the

Quoted message said:

earth, that God gave permission for man to eat certain meats that were to

be

Quoted message said:

prepared in certain ways. In less that 10 generations on this type of
lifestyle, man's average age went from 912 to 100 years of age. Today that
average is about 70! What we are encouraging is for us to return to the
lifestyle God originally told us to follow for good health. In so doing,

we

Quoted message said:

believe that we can give our bodies the nutrients that God created us as
needing, in order to rebuild our much depleted immune system and also to

build

Quoted message said:

healthy cells for a healthier body.

I believe ths explanation to be correct.

There will be naysayers who will say it is sales hype.

Jan

(If Jesus was the son of god, then why did he eat Fish and sheep?)

Some more stuff :-
http://www.mercola.com/article/Diet/former_vegan.htm
Anth

http://www.cc.nih.gov/ccc/supplements/vitb12.html#what
Anth

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of

all

Quoted message said:

the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding

seed;

Quoted message said:

to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

[...]

Quoted message said:

I believe ths explanation to be correct.

There will be naysayers who will say it is sales hype.

It's called Preying on the Flock: something I'm sure you're familiar with.

Quoted message said:

Subject: vegetarians
From: [email hidden] (Michelle)
Date: 2/20/04 9:56 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

hi
should vegetarians be taking vitamins because they dont get the stuff
that meat contains.

any answers will be helpful

michelle

The only thing meat might contain that a veggie might need is vitamin B12.
Even that is arguable since the real B12 deficiency is very, very rare, even
among vegans.

DrC PhD.

The doctor of the future will give no poisonous medicine in the vain attempt to
poison the sick into getting well.

The doctor of the future will interest the patient in the care of the human
frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease, and a medical
theory which will not include bacteria, viruses, retro-viruses, prions. or
auto-immune excuses as the cause of any disease.

That would at least bring today’s allopathic medicine, Western medicine, up
to the level of scientific medical data available in 1870.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 2/20/04 1:08 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live?
You might need a little milk or eggs to supplement the missing animal
components.

Can't agree.

A human can eat like an omnivore and fill their body with all manner of
disease, but humans do not need or miss animal components.

Quoted message said:

Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products - they produce a
powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins.

Humans were not designed to eat animal products. We do not have claws,
powerful jaws to crush bones, large teeth to rip into tough hides, etc, etc.
We eat animal products because we can and don't know any better.

By the way, human enzymes pale in comarison to the carnivore's enzymes for
digesting protein. Ours was designed for plant protein, not animal protein.
The added problem of raw versus cooked adds another dimension to the difficulty
of digesting animal flesh for the human.

DrC PhD

The doctor of the future will give no poisonous medicine in the vain attempt to
poison the sick into getting well.

The doctor of the future will interest the patient in the care of the human
frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease, and a medical
theory which will not include bacteria, viruses, retro-viruses, prions. or
auto-immune excuses as the cause of any disease.

That would at least bring today’s allopathic medicine, Western medicine, up
to the level of scientific medical data available in 1870.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 2/20/04 3:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

(If Jesus was the son of god, then why did he eat Fish and sheep?)

The effort and the purpose of Christ's life was spiritual, not nutritional.

The nutritional answer can be found in the Bible, however. It came from the
Father, not the Son. Why repeat Dad's effort?

DrC PhD

The doctor of the future will give no poisonous medicine in the vain attempt to
poison the sick into getting well.

The doctor of the future will interest the patient in the care of the human
frame, in diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease, and a medical
theory which will not include bacteria, viruses, retro-viruses, prions. or
auto-immune excuses as the cause of any disease.

That would at least bring today’s allopathic medicine, Western medicine, up
to the level of scientific medical data available in 1870.

(DRCEEPHD) said:

The only thing meat might contain that a veggie might need is vitamin B12.
Even that is arguable since the real B12 deficiency is very, very rare, even
among vegans.

DrC PhD.

You are a complete dork, not a doc, and devoid of a Piled High and Deep.

Go back to 1870 moron.

WB
--

Take out the G'RBAGE to reply
[email hidden]

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 2/20/2004 10:08 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live?
You might need a little milk or eggs to supplement the missing animal
components.
Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products - they produce a
powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins.
Anth

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all
the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

That is religious insanity.

Aribert Deckers
--
Sause an Kanzler's Kapitänstisch?

http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_no15.htm

Please forgive the top post..........

Jan, you forgot the part about precious bodily fluids.

carabelli

"Jan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: vegetarians
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 2/20/2004 10:08 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Depends on what kind of vegetarian and where you live?
You might need a little milk or eggs to supplement the missing animal
components.
Humans are 'designed' to eat animal/insect products - they produce a
powerful acid and various enzymes for digesting animal proteins.
Anth

Humans were not designed to eat animals/insects in the beginning.

Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of

all

Quoted message said:

the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding

seed;

Quoted message said:

to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29.

"Thou shall eat the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18

An explanation.

We believe that "In the beginning God created ... man and woman." We also
believe that when God created us that He made us unique, with the freedom

to

Quoted message said:

choose. And yet how could we choose without gaining information. He gave

us the

Quoted message said:

information we needed to choose wisely, unfortunately, throughout history,

we

Quoted message said:

have a reputation of disregarding God's wisdom and instead following our

own

Quoted message said:

foolish ideas. This is in regard to whom we would follow right down the

line to

Quoted message said:

what would be important to us. This included what we would eat, drink and

how

Quoted message said:

we would live. God told us to eat the "seed-bearing plant on the face of

the

Quoted message said:

whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it", Genesis 1:29,

in

Quoted message said:

other words, fruits, seeds, nuts and grains. (By the way, He gave the

green

Quoted message said:

plants for the animals to eat.) We were to eat in addition the fruit from

the

Quoted message said:

tree of life. From these foods, we would receive all the nourishment we

would

Quoted message said:

need to live forever. After the fall, however, we would no longer have

access

Quoted message said:

to the tree of life, and thus would no longer live forever. At that time

God

Quoted message said:

told us to add to our diet the plants of the field, greens, vegetables,

Genesis

Quoted message said:

3:18. This addition would replace the necessary nutrients, needed for a

healthy

Quoted message said:

body, (not an everlasting one),that we would no longer be receiving from

the

Quoted message said:

tree of life.. On this diet, man lived to an average age of 912 years

without a

Quoted message said:

single recorded instance of sickness! It was not until after the flood,

when

Quoted message said:

man had grown so wicked that God regretted creating man and so destroyed

the

Quoted message said:

earth, that God gave permission for man to eat certain meats that were to

be

Quoted message said:

prepared in certain ways. In less that 10 generations on this type of
lifestyle, man's average age went from 912 to 100 years of age. Today that
average is about 70! What we are encouraging is for us to return to the
lifestyle God originally told us to follow for good health. In so doing,

we

Quoted message said:

believe that we can give our bodies the nutrients that God created us as
needing, in order to rebuild our much depleted immune system and also to

build

Quoted message said:

healthy cells for a healthier body.

I believe ths explanation to be correct.

There will be naysayers who will say it is sales hype.

Jan

"Anth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I'm not that up on the bible, but if I was you I would take the religious
nuts with a pinch of salt -they use the bible as a source for their own
ignorance.
If they had only taken the time to read and understand the bible, they would
see that milk and animals are included as goodies to eat.

No, they would not. The words milk, meat, food, etc. are used without
regard to their factual truth. The Bible clearly states this. The
construction of man from his mouth to his anus, and the enzymes
therein contained confirm that man is a frugivore ( nuts, certain
seeds, plants, and mainly fruits ) and not a gramivore, nor a
carnivore, nor any other -ore you can name.

Man was given "PERMISSION" to eat meat. Man was never created to eat
meat.
At the next rodeo you can get to, offer to attack, kill, and eat one
of the brahma bulls they ride using only your hands and your teeth.
It would be interesting to see just who got killed.

Quoted message said:

(Try a google search 'hallelujah diet dangerous' and or look on the
Hallelujah Acres site - you will see that they now advocate vitamin B12 in
supplement form in their vegan diet)

This is correct. The scientific study was made and the
recommendations put out. Are they really neeeded is still arguable.

To me, this makes no sense at all. B12 deficiency is a very, very
rare disease, if it is even diagnosed correctly. What the human body
needs is B12 precursors coming in. Intrinsic factor ( whatever that is
) is produced by the stomach to transport the B12 on to the illeum
where it can be absorbed. In the small intestine, the resident
bacteria will combine the precoursers with cobalt to form B12. Many
animals excrete quantities of B12 due to the presence of cobalt and
the B12 forming bacteria. It is also taught that B12 cannot be
absorbed from the colon, even though the feces may contain large
amounts of B12.

I have a hard time accepting the claim that HEALTHY humans, vegan or
otherwise, need additional B12. I have a hard time accepting that a
healthy colon would not and could not absorb any needed B12 existing
there. An unhealthy colon is another matter.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Argument :-
We have strong HCL in our guts which is used to break down animal proteins
and to make B12.

HCl is a strong acid. This acid serves to activate the proteolytic
enzymes. It is the enzymes that do the work, not the HCl

However, human proteolytic enzymes cannot break down most animal
proteins including hair, hide, and bones. This also includes cooked
animal proteins that have been de-natured.

We have canine teeth 'designed' to process meat.

I have to disagree. The tough hide of a fruit maybe, but not that of
a cow.

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Herbivores are mostly lacking in these features i.e. we are not herbivores.

Anth

Well, here you are correct. Man is not an herbivore. We do not have
multiple stomanchs and were not designed to dine on grass, weeds,
leaves, or twigs.

It is interesting to see the diseases that the herbivores get when
forced to eat meat. Diseases like mad cow and others come to mind.

DrC PhD

I know Mr. Sardi will appreciate what he just read. I also hope he
appreciates the next conclusion of the study, which reveals: "Further
categorization of diets showed that, in comparison with regular meat eaters,
mortality from ischemic heart disease was 20% lower in occasional meat
eaters, 34% lower in people who ate fish but not meat, 34% lower in
lactoovovegetarians, and 26% lower in vegans."

Anth

http://chetday.com/hallelujah-diet-dangers.htm
Anth

From what I've personally observed, come hell or high water, genetics
must play a big part in both health and longevity regardless of diet.

My husband & his family going way back are all VERY heavy meat-eaters
(my husband frequently eats meat twice a day), but they don't miss a
beat in living into their late 80ties & more often, their mid-90ties, &
being quite healthy in doing so. My husband also HAS to have his
"greens" at every meal save breakfast, and is a heavy fresh fruit
consumer, but his meat-eating habits stuns me. Both his cholesterol &
blood pressure are always in the low-normal range,

Quoted message said:

Please forgive the top post..........

Jan, you forgot the part about precious bodily fluids.

carabelli

Even the great Stanley Kubric would have been stymied by Jan Drew.

My family lived long times, until the cancer rates came in and lowered the
average. Grandad lived till he was 89
Mam & Dad 76 (both cancer)
Apart from the crab, they had nothing much else wrong with them.
Anth

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From what I've personally observed, come hell or high water, genetics
must play a big part in both health and longevity regardless of diet.

My husband & his family going way back are all VERY heavy meat-eaters
(my husband frequently eats meat twice a day), but they don't miss a
beat in living into their late 80ties & more often, their mid-90ties, &
being quite healthy in doing so. My husband also HAS to have his
"greens" at every meal save breakfast, and is a heavy fresh fruit
consumer, but his meat-eating habits stuns me. Both his cholesterol &
blood pressure are always in the low-normal range,