vegetarians

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Anth said:

Good sources of B12 (human faces)
Amazing egh - what we expel contains essentials?
Anth

ITYM feces not faces
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Faces that spew feces (Jan's, Debbee's, Rod's, Ilena's, et al), would qualify
as being high in B-12 and high on bigotry as well.

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Commercial B-12 for vegans is derived from bacterial sources
these days. In earlier days it probably came simply from
bacteria on fruits and veg...

That does not make sense. B-12 from animal liver yes, but bacteria on
fruits and veggies?

I would imagine the fruits and veggies getting spoiled
is a result of bacteria on the surface, is that not correct?

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then be absorbed in the ileum of the small intestine. The bacteria in
the digestive tract, provided there is Cobalt in the dietary, will
produce even more B-12 which will show up in the feces. One question
is why the colon would not reabsorb B-12 if needed since there is an
excess in the stool.

That would seem to indicate it could be a newer requirement.
Maybe a change in response to meat eating? Though teeth,
claws, intestines never adapted to meat-eating because of
knives and cooking, perhaps minor adaptations occurred, such
as a dependency upon B-12? [Similar to, for instance,
caffeine dependency, where body starts using it for
other purposes.]

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Subject: Re: vegetarians
From: [email hidden] (soft-eng)
Date: 2/27/04 12:03 PM Eastern Standard Time
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I would imagine the fruits and veggies getting spoiled
is a result of bacteria on the surface, is that not correct?

Actually, over-ripening can cause spoilage and this is due to a simple chemical
called ethylene. Ethylene gas is the trigger for fruit to ripen. Bruising and
physical damage will start spoilage as well. Neither process needs the
bacteria on the surface. The surface bacteria cannot get through the skin to
start the spoilage process.

I cannot conclude that man is unique among the creatures of the earth to the
extent that he alone needs cooked food or that he alone must take supplements
containing vitamin B12.

On our farm, we used manure. Typically cow manure but sometimes chicken manure
in our gardern. The manure was always worked into the soil and not allowed to
just lay around on top. Crops growing above ground would have no feces on it.
The rain would see to that. Crops growing under ground would have no feces on
it. Washing and peeling would see to that. Those who pretend that feces on
our food adds B12 to our dietary did not grow up on a farm.

All studies with animals show that eating cooked or overly processed food will
cause the animal to sicken and die. All animals except man, that is.

I think the process was and is supposed to be that the stomach releases
"intrinsic factor." This compound then passes through to the small intestine
where our resident bacteria can produce B12 for us. The intrinsic factor binds
to the bacterial produced B12 for absorption in the ileum. The body absorbs
what it needs and eliminates the rest in the stool.
This is true of a healthy human. An unhealthy human may not produce intrinsic
factor. An unhealthy human may be on antibiotics which kill the friendly
bacteria ( we use antibiotics to produce B12 deficiency in the lab in animals
). An unhealthy human may not have a healthy ileum. An unhealthy human
typically has a malfunctioning colon. Any or all of these could cause the rare
B12 deficiency as could a Cobalt deficiency.

DrC PhD